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I find that religion as it's taught tends to follow the beliefs of people following it. Ancient scripture changes so much in the translation, that really Christianity could be very pro-gay. Lord knows, scripture tends to be a lot more ambiguous than what you'll have been taught, because having been brought up in a catholic school (Although I'm completely independent of religion, because I follow my own belief system nowadays that I as good as tailor made for myself) I know they tend to teach their interpretation rather than all possible versions.

In a hundred years, christianity will be a completely different religion, I expect, connected only by the names of its higher powers.

And you'll always have friends to be open with here. I'm coming out myself, bit by bit, and I found that JUB was the most helpful supportive community I've ever come across.
 
Alazair

Welcome and thanks for posting. Don't feel bad that it took you a year to post your story; I'm glad you took the time to share with us and seek advice

I'm probably not the best person to advise you on the spiritual and religious concerns you brought forward, however I know there are many JUB members who will offer you excellent points of view

I do like to think that we are a product of our Creator and He had a special plan for each of us

I also believe that all of those people in the church who are telling you homosexuality is wrong and that you must "cleanse" yourself probably have some skeletons of their own

Be happy and proud to be the man you are and not the one other's think you should be

I wish you enough and hope you stay in touch with us through this forum

(*8*) Brian_1

PS: Religion does not discriminate, however the Religious do!
 
Hey Alazair,

You sound like the guy that I use to be. (*8*)

I was Baptised in a First United Pentecostal Church. By choice.

I felt as if I had found "the truth," and was happy with my choice.

However, as I became more aware of where my attractions were leading me, I was conflicted, and ashamed.

The one thing that I prayed for more than anything was to "work the Lord's will." Thy will be done, etc.

I eventually left the Pentecostal Church and struck out on my own.

Over the years, I've completely changed faiths and religions. I'm now a practicing Nichiren Buddhist.

However, my best friend since Junior High School, and the first friend that I ever took to a "Revival" is now a Pentecostal.

He doesn't judge me, and never has.

He asked me if I had found anything to help me reconcile my previous faith, and wanted to know if my being Gay was the reason why I left the Church.

It wasn't.

But, please take the time to check out this website, and to read what it says.

I shared it with him, and he feels much more comfortable now with the choices that I've made, and actually sparked a really deep dialogue between the two of us.

Here it is: www.godmademegay.com

I've posted this on more than a few ocassions in the Religion and Spirituality Forum, and it really seems to have helped a lot of guys.

It even helped change my perspective, and gave me more courage to stand up for my previous faith.

(*8*)
 
G'day Alazair...and welcome to JUB!

I have an incredible friend who is deeply spiritual and this topic is something that we have talked about a lot in the last year or so. She has spent her life dedicated to God and studies the bible quite a lot, and I dont mind telling you that me coming out to her shook her deeply. She faced a lot of the same questions that you are on my behalf. And she was able to do it a lot more impartially than me.

I'm not sure theres an answer to your question...so much hangs on what you actually believe. If you are of the belief that every word in the bible must be taken as true then its hard to reconcile. If you belive in the general principles taught in the bible then your path is easier.

Consider this. The bible is written by man, recorded by man and worst of all interpreted by man. We are hypocritical creatures at the best of times and when we selectively use verses out of the bible to justify any stance we only condemn ourselves to hypocrisy. There are verses in the bible stating that we should not wear clothes of 2 different threads. But I dont ever recall that being shouted from the pulpit. So if its ok to ignore some parts as out of date, irrelevant and over bearing why not others.

Long story short, is that after countless discussions with my friend I've come to this conclusion.

The basic premise of Christianity is to love Jesus and God as best you can....and to be good to your fellow man. Treat others as you wish to be treated. Put others first.

I dont know if thats going to get you through the pearly gates or not, but its a pretty valid set of rules for living your life. To condemn yourself to a life of misery and being less a person than you are meant to be because you selected a verse to hang yourself by, prevents you from achieving all you can for yourself and your God.

Is that what you really think this is all about? I cant see that someone so forgiving and loving wants that for anyone...
 
I have found a nice balance between my faith and my lifestyle. I say lifestyle because it is not just homosexuality. It's meat on Friday, pork, etc.

You have to let a little bit go to let the other in.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." (Gen. 1:26,27)
 
I grew up Southern Baptist and was very active in church. I had a very hard time dealing with being a christian and god hating me at 10 years old. I prayed all the time to change but was just getting hornier. My parents tried to send me to Dr. Dobson but luckily god told my mom not to. Finally I realized that God didn't change me because there was no need. Look at pictures from the Hubble and you think he cares who you sleep with? There are books about homosexuality and the bible that prove through scholership that true translations don't mean gay as we think of it now. Christians use gay people as the "other" because most out gay people don't go to church and if the do they tend to stay quiet. It's easier on everyone instead of doing things like jesus would. Even though I am very angry at what the church does to gay young people, my christian family was about as accepting as Ive heard of. They really act like christians. Hang in there and you know deep inside what is true.
 
As I have posted many times here, my priest taught me that we are all made in God's image! Means God is str8, gay, lesbian, man and woman is it not? As was posted above, it is man and the established religions that have fucked the bible up. it is only the western religions that use good and evil as a means to keep you afraid!!! Whereas the eastern religions exact no punishmnt, but show you that man is a part of nature on this planet! I feel that if God made us in his image etc., I do not know why "punishment" is exacted to keep you inline so to speak!!

Now that this country is to the extreme right and the religion has a bigger hand in the governments direction, the gay and lesian people are the only people left to rally against now that African Americans can't be targets. We are a very biggoted country and feel that it is necessary to attack other not in the mainsteam! (Sorry off thread!)

In the end, you need to do whatever makes you happy. It is YOUR life to live! Not your church or anyone else who tells you "how your supposed to live!"
 
WYSIWYG said:
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In the end, you need to do whatever makes you happy. It is YOUR life to live! Not your church or anyone else who tells you "how your supposed to live!"
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And I'll ad to that it's your personal relationship with God that matters, and not what others say/suggest/feel that it should be. (*8*)
 
I understand your struggle. I grew up in a very active pentecostal family and I am still dealing with trying to find the balance with the beliefs I grew up with and my sexuality.
And also with coming out to my family.
 
There are many interpretations of the Bible. I think it will do you good to explore all the perspectives out there concerning those passages (and some of them don't even say what you've quoted about lying with another man) and come up with your own beliefs.

I think it's possible to reconcile your faith and your relationship with God with your sexuality. God loves you. Your sexuality does not hinder your love of God and it causes no harm to anyone. And please remmeber that Christians were absolved of the laws of the Torah by Christ himself, of which contains the scriptures in Leviticus.
 
Also realize that you're believing what 'those people' told you based on the specific translation and interpretation 'they' have either chosen to use or were told by another to use who chose it.

There are several versions of the Bible, with their own interpretations of what passages and events signify. Jewish scripture itself is always being interpreted and debated since it's a 'living word'.

So you will have to decide if what you were told to believe and accept about homosexuality is right to begin with. That isn't to say it's wrong, since no interpretation can ever be equivacally wrong, but there are others out there that are just as right. And whether or not they're 'right' depends on you and what you think about them after experiencing them and studying them on your own, just as your ubringing's belief system was and is 'right' for some.

Ex: Henry the Eigth's start of Protestantism was 'right' for him because it allowed him to divorce.

My dad's a Catholic and that's 'right' for him because the priests he knew as a boy who lived in piety and poverty were Catholic and he felt that the church of Peter the Rock could never be wrong (though I disagree).

My friend Heid's Christianity is 'right' for her because it focuses on working for God isntead of doing what's obligatory (like 'having' to attend every sunday, which is what she feels her former faith, Catholicism focused on too much). Instead, she switched and now attends church regularly with another branch of Christianity because she wants to serve God and work for him, not because she 'has' to to be a good Christian.

So it's your duty to find the right faith out there for you that still keeps God in your heart. Because someone could always tell you that one things wrong, but how will you ever be able to know for yourself until you've heard all the ways that thing is seen? I think that's where God's gift of free will comes from.
 
There is no passage in the bible that says being gay is an abomination. 'Homosexuality' wasn't invented till the nineteenth century.
 
You might like to have a read of the first post in this thread
http://justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2007030&highlight=leviticus#post2007030
it makes what I believe are very valid points when you look at your churches teachings. Just because you were taught something doesn't mean it is right. Having it branded as "Gods word" doesn't mean you can't question it. When someone makes a pronouncement that something is wrong their credibility should be checked by looking at their other pronouncements and the culture at the time of the society they were made in.
 
alazair, all my good wishes. what you wrote was stirring. i would agree with tallguy that trying to treat others the way you would like to be treated is the greatest concern in one's life. if you sincerely try to do that, your love for another man should only be another part of your crown. love is soo precious. and if after trying to treat others the way you want to be treated - if your attraction to other guys is still so unbelievably bad, then maybe the whole religion thing was a sick joke. you are a deserving human being. i hope you can be proud of who you are. i know God loves you for who you are.
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