Supernatural

[falconfan]

All right guys I'm calling on you to do your civic duty and help retain one of the best shows on tv (for the eyes and the mind ) Supernatural is on the bubble according to Erik Kripke (the creator) it's got a 50% chance of renewal... that's half of the chance it needs to have... so if you love the boys as much as I do (Dean........ and that other less attractive yet still gorgeous one lol) stop by the CW forum and vote in the series renewal thread

http://lounge.cwtv.com/showthread.php?t=70038

also there's a massive live journal campaign to keep it around if you really love them (and have a livejournal account... which are free poke poke) join that and keep up with the progress

http://community.livejournal.com/promote_spn/

And finally if you just have nothing to do or you're insanely in love with the boys like myself take sometime and a few cents worth of postage and let the higher ups know you need your J^2

Dawn Ostroff
President of Entertainment
The CW Network
411 North Hollywood Way
Burbank, California 91505

Thanks in advance

 

[iamme84]

I would vote but I have this thing against some of the users of that particular boards including the mods.

The CW boards not the other one.

 

[falconfan]

Don't let the mods discourage you that's the genuine CW board and the show is in actual danger. Execs will pay attention to what they see on their own site.

 

[qwe549]

No!! They just cannot cancel "The Boyz!"

 

[pisces_ken02]

I figured this would happen. The ratings on the show are not that great...infact on some nights they are absolutely terrible.

The CW shows that do well in ratings are Friday Night Smackdown, America's Next Top Model, and Smallville....to name a few. The CW shows on Monday Night do a great job for being on such a competitive night.

 

[falconfan]

compettive night? TV on monday sucks..
And what do they expect when they put a new show against CSI/Grey's/OC?

 

[pisces_ken02]

compettive night? TV on monday sucks..
And what do they expect when they put a new show against CSI/Grey's/OC?

Obviously you do not know that Heroes, 24, CSI: Miami(the most popular show in the world) air on Mondays.... It targets the same audience that the CW is trying to get... We also can't forget about Monday Night Football on ESPN when it airs.... it takes a few audience members away from the big 4. So yes The CW comedy lineup on Monday's do a great job...

The O.C. is not competitive... so I have no idea why you put that show as competition. The ratings on that show are terrible. One week Supernatural came close to having the same audience as The O.C....

The only shows that are ratings juggernauts on Thursdays are CSI and Greys.. It could grab a decent audience if people found the show interesting...

 

[falconfan]

OC has the same demographic that the CW is going for as evidenced by the fact they expressed intrest in picking it up. Further I included it because it came out before Supernatural greated a large (though now rapidly decreasing) fan base that would prevent those specific viewers from surfing for the newer series, Supernatural. The same thing goes for the other two

The monday night comedy line up on the CW are the only remnants of UPN and are target at a very specific niche, the african american community, and yes it does dominate that specific niche but it's ratings are nothing special... as for CSI:miami... it' s on at ten when the CW has the local news on so that has nothing to do with anything. 24... just came back like last week so I mean nothing can be exprapolated from that. All and all monday is not exactly the biggest day for TV.

 

[pisces_ken02]

OC has the same demographic that the CW is going for as evidenced by the fact they expressed intrest in picking it up. Further I included it because it came out before Supernatural greated a large (though now rapidly decreasing) fan base that would prevent those specific viewers from surfing for the newer series, Supernatural. The same thing goes for the other two

The monday night comedy line up on the CW are the only remnants of UPN and are target at a very specific niche, the african american community, and yes it does dominate that specific niche but it's ratings are nothing special... as for CSI:miami... it' s on at ten when the CW has the local news on so that has nothing to do with anything. 24... just came back like last week so I mean nothing can be exprapolated from that. All and all monday is not exactly the biggest day for TV.

I know all about CW's Monday lineup..because guess what I'm black. So they are trying to target me. I can't watch CW Monday lineup due to this happening last fall... Prison Break, MNF, and Heroes to name a few. The audience that CW is trying to get for Monday's are watching those shows.. And for it to perform well in ratings is another reason those shows have full season pickups.

The reason Supernatural doesn't do very well in ratings is due to the fact that it is nothing more than eye candy. It is just a rip off of other SciFi shows and they do a pathetic job copying those. I can see why the audience that they target switch over to Greys or CSI.

Bottom line is if you have the superior product they will watch your show instead of the others. You will always have competition....so you must be prepared. Even with competition they should be able to pull much better numbers than that..

24 and Heroes compete DIRECTLY against each other on Mondays. But they still do very well in ratings...only a slight difference separate them.

No excuses...

 

[falconfan]

I'm sorry but you can't attempt to say that Grey's Anatomy (the highest rated show on TV) and CSI (The show that was rated highest before that) are comprable to Prinson Break and Heroes, which do have a decent following but they're just not Grey's or CSI you're comparing apples to oranges.

As for Supernatural being inferior that's just wrong. It's one of very few shows on TV that manages to balance comedy with drama and it's 'copying' isn't copying it's adressing urban legends... that is after all what the show is about. Not only that but it's small cast has allowed it to be one of the very few shows that can do some real in depth characterization. Low ratings are simply because it's on a network that's semi-major at best on a night when no one is bothering to flip around.

 

[pisces_ken02]

I'm sorry but you can't attempt to say that Grey's Anatomy (the highest rated show on TV) and CSI (The show that was rated highest before that) are comprable to Prinson Break and Heroes, which do have a decent following but they're just not Grey's or CSI you're comparing apples to oranges.

As for Supernatural being inferior that's just wrong. It's one of very few shows on TV that manages to balance comedy with drama and it's 'copying' isn't copying it's adressing urban legends... that is after all what the show is about. Not only that but it's small cast has allowed it to be one of the very few shows that can do some real in depth characterization. Low ratings are simply because it's on a network that's semi-major at best on a night when no one is bothering to flip around.

This will be my last post on this subject.

You think I'm comparing apples to oranges, well you are doing the same thing if you look at the target audience for both shows.

Greys and CSI both target a more mature audience, with Greys its middle age women. Yeah there are a few teens that watch the show. But most of the people who watch CSI and Greys are much older. If you want to compare TARGET audiences then you have it.

The whole reason for the CW network is to attract the younger demographics... Grey's and CSI doesn't' target the audience that watches the CW Network. Of course there is a younger demographic that definitely watches those shows. But its not the target.

Again no excuses.. When the target audiences are very different.

 

[falconfan]

I'm sorry what...? Grey's Anatomy is for middle aged woman? Then why exactly does it take two hands for me to count the number of Grey's Anatomy parties that are held in my dorm every thrusday? I'm in college and Grey's Anatomy is SOOOOOOO a collegiate show as is Supernatural's aim young adults to 20 something You do have a point with CSI but neither CSI or Grey's are really niched. They hold a wide appeal. That's how they became the number one shows on TV... I mean even CW execs have said that "Supernatural is holding up really well. That is the toughest timeslot on television."

 

[pisces_ken02]

I'm sorry what...? Grey's Anatomy is for middle aged woman? Then why exactly does it take two hands for me to count the number of Grey's Anatomy parties that are held in my dorm every thrusday? I'm in college and Grey's Anatomy is SOOOOOOO a collegiate show as is Supernatural's aim young adults to 20 something You do have a point with CSI but neither CSI or Grey's are really niched. They hold a wide appeal. That's how they became the number one shows on TV... I mean even CW execs have said that "Supernatural is holding up really well. That is the toughest timeslot on television."

Based on your dorm room having a party for a Grey's Anatomy on Thursdays... that supports your argument? Based on your DORM ROOM!

The middle aged comment wasn't exactly the correct word, but you are correct it does have wide appeal, but the target audience remains the same. I think you failed to read in my last post where I stated that... I'm sure that the teenage(13-20) audience does indeed watch Greys or CSI. I made that clear in my post. But we are discussing target audiences... which supports my view that Supernatural has no excuses for preforming so awful during that lineup. Since the two do not target the same audience(in general and from a ratings perspective)..

In that lucrative timeslot...are there some audience members that are fan of both shows. Yes, I'm sure there is... But "overall" will it make a difference...don't count on it. FOX tried this with the O.C. and the ratings did not improve at all...when it was moved to Wednesdays for one week. Again...if a show is good, it will have no problem preforming on such a tough timeslot.

Nice debating..

 

[falconfan]

Ummm not my "dorm room" but my entire dormitory because seeing as I'm not trying to form a scientific theory I see nothing wrong with anecdotyle evidence. The fact of a large portion of the desired audience falls in this age group and I wouldn't so readily say that they don't target the same audience. As for the OC... it was moved for one week! You can't form a generalization based on one week especially since the OC has a entirely different dynamic It's a show that has LOST it's viewers while this is a show that just has yet to find it's viewer base. Of course it's harder to win back viewers who've lost faith in you especially if you give them only one week. Now I think your insistence if a show is good it will magically always find an audience is just ludacrist. It's as much about positioning as it is about quality. Seinfeld is considered by many (TV guide included) to be one of the best sitcoms of all time and it boasted mediocre ratings early in it's run. Both Family Guy and Futurama were cancelled for low ratings but after reruning on cartoon network established a substantial base and Family Guy even got renewed. You can't simply say the best shows get the best ratings. It's simply not true.

Back at ya..

 

[Apollo]

Well let me interupt your little conversation for just a few moments to say that I voted to have Supernatural renewed, and hope and pray they dont cancel it. I only watch the CW on one night and that is thursdays for Smallville and Supernatural. Supernatural more than Smallville. I also think Supernatural has good writing and plot. I think it is a wondeful show, that shows off some ancient urban legends that I didnt even know existed.

 

[pisces_ken02]

Ummm not my "dorm room" but my entire dormitory because seeing as I'm not trying to form a scientific theory I see nothing wrong with anecdotyle evidence. The fact of a large portion of the desired audience falls in this age group and I wouldn't so readily say that they don't target the same audience. As for the OC... it was moved for one week! You can't form a generalization based on one week especially since the OC has a entirely different dynamic It's a show that has LOST it's viewers while this is a show that just has yet to find it's viewer base. Of course it's harder to win back viewers who've lost faith in you especially if you give them only one week. Now I think your insistence if a show is good it will magically always find an audience is just ludacrist. It's as much about positioning as it is about quality. Seinfeld is considered by many (TV guide included) to be one of the best sitcoms of all time and it boasted mediocre ratings early in it's run. Both Family Guy and Futurama were cancelled for low ratings but after reruning on cartoon network established a substantial base and Family Guy even got renewed. You can't simply say the best shows get the best ratings. It's simply not true.

Back at ya..

I have to comment on this. Why in the hell are you twisting my words?? I never said the best shows get the best ratings. I simply stated it shouldn't have any problem performing well. Did I ever mention in my post about the best show will be get the best ratings??...simply not the case, because that would be silly. In fact your whole entire post is going into a whole new territory..amazing

There is a huge difference between preforming well and just doing terrible. They will never reach an audience of a Greys or CSI on any night. Hell if the showed moved to Wednesday....I don't expect any miracles to happen. They probably will not even get the Smallville, America's Next Top Model, and Smackdown type audience numbers.

Obviously from your opening post it hasn't performed well up to CW's standards if it is at risk of being canceled. I'm sure The CW has a certain number that this show should have against these "giants"... Its simply not making that number. When these executives put this type of show against others... there is a certain number in place that it should reach.. They just don't simply put a show in a timeslot in which it will never perform well...it would not be good for business at all and a waste of time.

This debate is getting tiresome.. Obvisouly you are not a ratings person or can get the big picture which I am trying to draw.. I will stop!!

 

[falconfan]

Yeah you actually stopped two posts back too, I don't know if you remember that. And I "get" what your saying I just think you're wrong. And I didn't put words in your mouth I simply said what you're saying in other words. Because saying good series (or superior products) should have no problem getting superior ratings is the same as saying the better shows get better ratings and that simple an equation just aint true.

I never said it was going to be the number 1 show in the nation. Shows in this vein (Buffy, X-Files, etc.) never reach those levels but I firmly belief this show certaintly deserves renewal and that if it were in a less competitve time slot it's rating would just plain be better because in those timeslots people would be looking for something to watch instead of just sitting on ABC.

 

[falconfan]

Well let me interupt your little conversation for just a few moments to say that I voted to have Supernatural renewed, and hope and pray they dont cancel it. I only watch the CW on one night and that is thursdays for Smallville and Supernatural. Supernatural more than Smallville. I also think Supernatural has good writing and plot. I think it is a wondeful show, that shows off some ancient urban legends that I didnt even know existed.

Thank you I'm pretty confident the shows gonna make it they've begun to put it online and they don't put every show online.

 

[GanymedeATL]

I hope the show sticks around. It's been a lot of fun. Comparing speciific demographics is tough, but I do think one thing that most of the top-rated shows have, and that is fine when done well, is the angsty love interest. I do not have any faith in the CW not to bring in a chick to drive a wedge between the brothers in order to promote their typical teen plot, and would be done with the show if that were to happen. (Of course, I'm pretty shallow as well, and think the show could do with a LOT more shirtless scenes. I mean, what's the point of HOT actors after all?)

 

[falconfan]

Well they tried to bring Jo in and that bitch got kicked to the curb by fans who didn't like her at all so now she's going to be more of a "sister" to Dean than previously planned. Sam's got a love interest on the way according to gossip but I doubt that'll cause a wedge I suspect it'll result in alot of angst because of his guilt over Jessica's death