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The incredible ridiculousness and sadness that is my life...

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Okay, so the only reason that I’m writing this here is because the only person I can tell this story to, is thousands of kilometres away (which I guess also translates into thousands of miles, for all your non-metric system people), and I’ll only be able to see her just before Christmas. The other people who are my closest friends are the very same people who I can never tell this story to but, I just have to tell someone, and maybe get some advice. Anyway, I guess the crux of the story is I’m in love, but I’m in love with the wrong person, the one person who I should never have fallen in love with. I know that as people read this story, it’ll seem so ridiculous. It’s disgusting just how high-school-drama-esque/OC/Greys Anatomy this all is, even though we’re all in our twenties, but I can’t help it. Every time I think I’m growing up, I realise that I’m not. So please bear with me as I bare my soul and sordid life to a whole lot of random people I don’t know, you.

So who is this person? It’s my best friend. One of my best friends I should rather say. I have a really tight knit group of three friends. He, whom I’m so sadly in love with actually had a thing with one of the girls in this group. There little thing never became a full on relationship although she did confide to me that she was really into him, maybe even fell in love with him (though she never said that she loved him to me, but it was said in not so many words). Anyway, for the longest time, this entire year, in the back of my mind, I just denied any thoughts that in any way were trying to tell that I was either (a) falling in love, or (b) in love already. That all went well until one night, while I was lying in bed, I remembered a rather drunken conversation that I had with him. For some reason, (although it never happened) I had this fear that I’d declared my undying love to him. It all just came rushing into my mind. I couldn’t deny it anymore; I knew I was in love, and that I just couldn’t ignore it anymore.

Well this would be a pretty clichéd story up to this point, gay guy falls for straight best friend, but there is one little complication. He’s not straight. Now of course this is all part of that clichéd part of the story. The gay guy is certain, has convinced himself that the friend is also gay, but there have been so many times when there were not only signs, but when he did things that led to not only me, but our other two best friends, the girls stating with a certainty that he is gay, and if not gay, then at least bisexual. Of course this is all messed up by the fact that he had a thing with one of the two girls, who just may be in love with him. Anyway, there’s not only that, there’s also the fact that the day that I came out to him, another alcohol sodden evening (we’re in college okay) he did say, after castigating me for taking so long to come out to him, “I sometimes have tendencies myself.” For the longest time we ignored that statement (we being me and one of the girls who was there that night) which happened way early this year, sometime in June/July until a couple of weeks ago when he yet again did something with some guy in front of us, a mere few weeks after having almost slept, well actually practically did sleep with the girl in the group who’s into him.

Anyway, after that incident, me and the two girls in the group converged a small meeting where we all laid our chips out on the table and just told the truth. For the longest time, after having decided that he was gay or bi we just pretended that nothing had happened, that we had never come to this decision, we not only helped him keep up his lie, we lied to each other. Anyway, that night, the friend who’d also heard his ‘coming out’ statement and I finally spoke about it for the first time since it had happened.

Anyway, that’s not the problem I face now, it’s that he’s fallen for another girl, another friend of ours but not in the core of the group. We’d been joking about the two of them for months now, because everyone could see what was coming round the bend but finally last week, in yet another alcohol related conversation he told us he liked her. I’d always joked with him that he was into her, but it never truly sank in, I think I always viewed it as this funny little thing, especially since we (him and I) always had these moments when things seemed to get intense between us. I always told myself that I’d never do anything with him, because of (a) I have a firm belief that relationships between friends, especially close friends always lead to disaster and (b) because one of my closest friends was into him possibly loved him and had chosen to tell me that and nobody else; I just couldn’t betray her like that. But despite that, in the last few weeks, things had been getting kinda intense between us, at least that’s what I thought. Things even raised a few eyebrows amongst our friends, concerning the nature of our relationship, concerns that we’d put to bed a million years ago (yes that’s the other thing, people whenever they meet the two of us, think that we’re a couple, that’s how close we are, and it’s something that I (& it’s always me because I’m the openly gay one and people are more comfortable asking me) always have to deny all the time).

Anyway, after a party a week or so ago, I had to take care of him because he was so drunk, anyway, he kept on coming onto me, (at least that’s what I thought, but now I just don’t know) and then the friend who’s into him said something that made my blood run cold. She said, “(his name) if you want to get with (my name), you should.” (‘Get with’ for us means have sex). Now I’m not saying that was definitely what she said, but what I can most definitively state is that, she said something to him about him and me getting together. After the last couple of weeks, my resolve, not to do anything with him, had slowly but surely been crumbling. That night, when I was looking after him, while we were playing, I knew in my mind that if that he tried anything with me, I wouldn’t stop him, but this was before what my friend said. So last week, when he just told us about how he was into this girl for real, it totally came out of the blue for me.

In my mind, it seemed as though we were on a road that was inevitably leading to us getting together. SO when he said he liked this girl, I didn’t even react, when I say that, I mean I didn’t even react internally, I’m not surprised, shocked or disappointed at the fact that I didn’t scream out in pain, or burst into tears or something. Rather, the cause of my consternation stems from the fact that, there was nothing, not even inside of me. It seems as though, the second I heard the information, I immediately bottled up the information and any emotions that may’ve went with it, and then I put it on a shelf in my mind labelled “Deal With Later.” It worries me that I could be so detached to something so, I don’t know, monumental, I guess. Things got worse though, he asked me, no he didn’t ask, he told me that he couldn’t do it without me. He said that I had to help him write the text message to this girl that he liked, telling her this, which I did. I was just so numb throughout this entire thing.

Anyway, the next morning I found something else that made things even worse. I found a notebook of mine, that had a diary entry, that I’d written because I didn’t have my diary on me at the time. And I know he’d pulled out the notebook, because for some reason he’d been going through my closet. It’s only been to my diary and my friend who a thousand kilometres away that I’ve been honest about this whole mess. Just about this entire years diary entries after the night when I admitted the truth to myself, have been about him. I’m still yet too scared to look at what that diary entry was all about, maybe it was about something totally innocuous but if you could see my diary you’d know that the likelihood of that is really unlikely. Here’s a little statistic for you, the names of my three best friends should show up more or less equally in my diary (it’s a computer document) but if you do a count of it in the last two months, the two girls’ names come up 38 and 57 times respectively, however his name, shows up 124 times. That I think goes to show how unlikely it is that in an entire diary entry I didn’t make mention of the fact that I’m in love with him, and now chances are he’s seen that.

So all in all, where does that leave me? I know that I have to fall out of love with him, that I can’t keep on agonising like this over someone who seemingly is not interested in me, or is only interested in me when he’s drunk. I’ve only given you very few incidences of these moments but they are quite numerous. I also have to fall out of love with him, because truth is, he hurts me. He does these things with these other guys which has on occasions left me in tears and then comes to me, with the bullshit lie the morning after, tells me this crap, knowing full well that I’ll go out there and clean up his mess for him, lie to our best friends for him, urge them to leave him alone, that he’ll come out in his own good time, that we can’t confront him with everything he’s done and said to us all those ‘nights before the mornings after.’

He knows and isn’t shy to do in front of everyone, that he can get me to do whatever he wants, that I’ll do his bidding, his mother has even commented on that, and when I say ‘do his bidding, it can be something as innocuous as, “peel the potatoes,” to something as extreme as let’s play a little too suggestively for mere friends one moment to “help me write a message declaring my feelings to someone else, despite the fact that I’d have to be a fool to not know that at the very least you have feelings for me.” It in a sense is turning into a toxic relationship.

But despite all this, I don’t want to lose his friendship, but how do I maintain a friendship with someone while I also try to pull away from them? How can I do these two things at the same time? Can you even actively make yourself fall out of love with someone, even though you know that with each passing day, it’s becoming harder and more painful for you to be around them, while at the same time, when you see them unexpectedly coming through your door, it seems as though every problem in the world is gone, that, that just hanging out, makes your day? I don’t know what to do. I don’t really need people to give me some intense advice, but all I want is some acknowledgement that out there in this world someone has read this and knows the pain I find myself in. Please.
 
Wow, that was an eye full...

You are definitely in a tough situation but I think you ought to talk to the girl in the group who like/s/ed him about all this. Just, well, make a confession to her. She seems like a person who wouldnt freak out, and make sure that you cushion it with " But the last thing I want to do is hurt you, that is why I am telling you not [insert name of other female friend]"

I dunno, but thats just a thought.

And I dont believe that a relationship between close friends always ends in disaster... I would say quite the opposite...

My $.02

-ISM
 
Yeah, tough situation...

About the issues you've raised:

- isuckmen gave you a great way for you to deal with the girl friend. Be honest with her, that's the best you can do in a situation like that.

- I strongly suggest you to try and leave him. I know, easier said than done, but as someone who've been through something quite identical, I can tell you, it won't stop hurting you untill you put an end to it. Try to find something that you truly can't stand him doing with you. To me it was triggered one day when he accused me of something I've never done and was very stupid with me, that made something in my head snap and I said to myself: you don't want to be with someone who treats you that way!

- On the other hand, if you want to take the more dangerous road, he seems like a player (from what I've heard from you here) and you can start playing with him the same way as he does to you. Try to gain the upper hand, start to drift away from him and act cool and uninterested when arround him, and happy and excited when arround other people. If he really is a player, he wont like to loose and will come to you and try to gain you back. But be carefull, this path demands a lot of gut and cold blood... and it ultimately may lead you to total desperation if it goes wrong...

Hope things get better soon! (*8*)
 
Sadly, you hit the nail on the head when you described it as a toxic relationship. It is, and, deep down, you know it.

The hard reality is that there isn't a way to fall out of love with him while maintaining a friendship with him. It's virtually impossible. As difficult as it is to do, the only healthy choice you have is to curtail or eliminate your dealings with him. I know how difficult that is to do, because I've had to do it a few times (and not each time was successful).

Once you "get over him" then you can re-build a relationship with him on whatever level you feel appropriate at the time. The only warning is to not fall into the same toxic habits and ruts with him. My guess, though, is that once you allow yourself to detox from him, you'll be much more objective about him and you and realize that it just wasn't healthy for you at all--and that you can live much happier without him in your life.

I really hate to be the bearer of such bad news, but this is a tough one that's going to require you to be tough to extricate yourself from.

Good luck to you. Please keep in touch with us and let us know how you're doing. (*8*)
 
This is the first post I read on JUB that moisturized my eyes, and the reason is that I, unfotunately, find myself in a similar situation.

While I'm agonizing over it, I guess I have to push myself and detach. It's all my fault. I knew from the start it wouldn't work, yet I allowed myself to drown more and more. How can you let go of someone who "when you see them unexpectedly coming through your door, it seems as though every problem in the world is gone"?
 
How can you let go of someone who "when you see them unexpectedly coming through your door, it seems as though every problem in the world is gone"?
I know...that's a way to describe love. When you see them, all is right with the world and everything seems so safe and right.

How do you let go? It's very hard. It's like letting go of something very right and very good. Why would any rational person do such a thing? That's what makes it so hard, partly because it feels so illogical to do.

This is going to sound terribly trite, but think of it as giving up an addiction to, say, caffeine or cigarettes. It's really painful because you need the person to feel good. But, you do adjust. Within days or weeks, new experiences replace older ones and the longer you go, the less recent any of your experiences are with this person. Thus, it gets easier and easier to get through the day, then through the week, then through the weekend, etc.

Rely on other friends to distract you. If possible and practical, start building new friendships.

The best way to do it is to stop all contact--not see or interact with the person. You don't get off cigarettes by smoking cigarettes. It's sort of the same here. If that's not possible or practical, then it's harder, but not impossible. You just need to mentally decide how you're going to act (and why), and keep interactions brief and businesslike.

No matter how you slice it, it's not easy. Good luck to you, too. Keep in touch and let us know how you're doing too. (*8*)
 
I have no clue. I tried all sorts of ways when I was in a somewhat similar situation. I still haven't fallen out of love with my friend, but its gotten better. Our friendship though has been over for five years now, it was essentially over the moment I told him. He wasn't the problem, I was. It was too awkward and painful for me to talk to him or be around him afterwards.

The thing that helped me the most though is realizing that I can still be happy and be myself without him. Because when I didn't feel that way, things were really, really bad and it almost killed me.
 
Hi there and thanks for all the replies. I really didn’t expect such a great response considering how long and convoluted this whole story was. Anyway, I saw most of these post just hours ago, just before I had to go into town to do some errands and I certainly was thinking over everything that everybody out there was saying to me. I’ve read each of the replies over and over again trying to figure out what would be the best course of action for me. Those of you who said to me that deep down I already had the answer I was looking for, that I couldn’t both be his friend and fall out of love with him were right. It’s an ugly truth to be confronted with; but the truth it still is nonetheless.

Isuckmen, I saw your thread, and it seems as though you are heading towards a happy ending. It’s almost as though your story is the opposite to mine. Either way, while friendships that blossom into something more can be the best relationship, I really don’t think there’ll ever be a chance for anything like what happened to you, to happen between me and him. But you are right about one thing, I should tell the girl who like/s/ed him. She most certainly would be most understanding. But there is one thing that is making me slightly worried about telling her, although now even as I type this I know I will, I just have to find the strength. Anyway, what’s making me worried is that, another one of her really close friends, a gay guy, almost had a thing with the cause of my current problem.

What happened was, he and my friend got into bed together, while she was in the room. Now the thing was, she was sitting on the bed and they lay down behind her, but as she later told me, she knew exactly what was going on. While they were in bed they started canoodling. She says she felt so uncomfortable with the whole situation she left the room on the pretext that she wanted to shower, her true reason according to her was that she said that she felt like such a spare tyre. In fact when she walked back in the room, they’d passed out holding hands. Anyway, this whole incident happened after she and him had hooked up once or twice already and this guy, her friend knew this. So she was so incensed when this thing between them happened. She is normally the calmest person that you’ll ever see, rarely ever gets angry. The saying, ‘still waters run deep,’ is exactly how one would describe her.

So, the emotion she displayed over that occurrence really shocked me. I mean, of course she had a right to be so angry but I never expected her to show that much emotion. So I guess although unlike her other friend, I never did anything with him, I am still a bit scared that she may view it as a betrayal nonetheless.

When I saw Grey¬_Sky’s response to my dilemma, particularly the second part of his response, that was what immediately piqued my interest for the fact that it gave me a sort of roadmap to how to in a sense bag him. But on closer consideration I really don’t think that would be the best for me. But there was something in there that definitely was correct, Grey_Sky said, “he seems like a player (from what I've heard from you here),” my initial reaction to that was, “No way, you are so misreading everything I’ve said, and what he’s done,” but as I got to thinking about it, it made more and more sense, he is. He’s a total player in the classic sense of the word. It’s funny, one of our favourite artists is Rufus Wainwright, and one of the songs we always enjoy is, One Man Guy, by him. Now he may not be a philanderer running around sleeping with everybody all at the same time while promising you the moon and the stars. But he’s still definitely not a One Man Guy, as he most certainly is an emotional player, he knows exactly what to do to get somebody going and exactly how much to feed them to keep them at his feet.

Averageguy, you are certainly anything but average. When I grow up (whenever that’ll be) I want to be you. But you more than anyone have told me exactly what I needed to hear. I really don’t know why what you said had such an effect as you weren’t the first to say it but it really hit home. I now know what I have to do, but I can’t just cut him out of my life. He is inextricably part of it. For instance, on Thursday, I’m throwing a lunch for my friend’s graduation, and his is the day before, it goes without saying that he is going to be there and it will end up being a lunch for the both of them, and the fact of the matter is, I can’t just cut him out of my life. The relationship that he and I share, is interlinked with that of the two girl friends. Originally they were my friends before his, and I did somewhat balk at his inclusion into the group but he’s now there.

Just the other day, we were having champagne to celebrate the end of the year and we were all in this sentimental mood and I made a toast about how I wanted to see us at sixty years old playing this ridiculous little game we play and I meant every word of it. If he were to be lost from the group, it wouldn’t be the same. So for me, It’s not merely a case of just curtailing or eliminating him from my life. I could perhaps do that for the next 2½ months, while we’re on holiday and the girls have gone back to their home towns, but once they’re back he’d also have to be back in my life almost as much as before, and somehow judging from how intensely I feel for him, a mere 2½ months with fewer meeting between us just isn’t going to be enough.

To return to Averageguy’s analogy with the smoking (which I totally get as a smoker), I want to quit smoking and I know that I can’t do that with cigarettes, but I do need a nicotine patch to do it. In other words, I know I have to find a way to stop loving him and the easiest way of doing that would be to cut him out of my life, but that’s not even a plausible or even feasible option. So what am I going to do, I have to curtail those moments when I allow him to take emotional control of me, which means drawing away from him emotionally rather than physically. Once, I feel that I have come to a place where I am comfortable with him, that’s when I’ll let him in emotionally again. But no doubt in the period that I am able to stay away from him physically as well, I will try to.

Silentalk, hang in there. I’m sure that both of us will find a way to extricate ourselves from these tangled webs that we’ve allowed ourselves to weave ourselves into. To blame ourselves will do no good, although its finger pointing at one person, its still finger pointing and that has never solved a single problem. Focus your energies on that, find a way that is best for you, to solve your situation.

Again I just want to clear one thing up here, although when you read what I’ve said here about my friend, he probably sounds like a right royal bastard. He isn’t, he truly isn’t, this is only the slightest edge to his personality, there is so much more to him than these stories I’ve told you about him, he can be, no, in fact 98% of the time, he is the most loyal, sweetest (and a plethora of other positive adjectives) guy you’ll ever meet.

Yet again, thanks to everybody!
 
You're going to make it, Angelus, I just know it. (*8*)
 
You see in my book i have a very similar situation But by the help of god i moved two cities away from my best friend and let me tell you the love bug comes back and it bites.Just the other day i had a recurring nightmare one i had not dreamed in a while.Let me ask you to see if you have the same one.

You and him and the friend (you think he secretly likes but wont admit to) you are together and hes paying way more attention to her and their trying to get rid of you and you know why and it just feels so awful hurts so bad that it wakes you up.

Back to the subject distance doesn't help alot if the chemistry of your friends isnt the same.I once had a very tight click and i thought it was because of me that they were tight but when my best bud decided to start hanging out with different people our click turned into nothing i was too worried about him to spend quality time with our other friends which ended up making him the only subject we often talk about ><

Best thing to do is to start acting. What i mean by this is let him play his game but in a sense put him out whenever he does something suspicious.Like what i do with my best friend is i tell him why you gotta act like I'm your dam wife always hiding shit i don't give a fuck if you with anyone if you don't want to chill with me then don't. after that he gets angry and ignores me for (i counted) for like 4 days and then calls me as if nothing happened but as son as it happens again i throw it out there in front of everyone so he feels like i feel.

fuck that being in love sucks so much it takes away from the more important things in life if there was a vaccine for no love i would take it in an instance yeah feeling great with someone else is the best thing in the world but imagine feeling like that with yourself take out all the love just leave the sex in. :P

good luck bud. play with him sometimes vengeance is the only way to overcome a problem your soul needs it sometimes . Theres a lot of people that say vengeance is wrong etc.. But the only time i could have closure with someone is thru vengeance.I don't mean mess up his life just make sure he doesn't do what he did to u to someone else.

when you guys r drunk one day and you see him being playful with another guy you say hey (his name) come over here a sec. Now you know (this girl) likes you and you think you making her feel good by doing that in front of her whats wrong with you man. Just that will send shocks in his sytem. Make him know you are willing to push him out and he'll realize what he has in front of him are friends not toys.Is like child psychology you dont reward a child for doing hurtful things you got to scold them punish them is wrong to play with your friends is just wrong.The heart is a very powerful organ sometimes even stronger than the mind.Dont let it take over around this duchebag.

good luck
 
Re: The incredible ridiculousness and sadness that

Thanks angelus :)

and thanks guys :)
 
Re: The incredible ridiculousness and sadness that

Wow, how things can change in a year.

So I just posted a new thread looking for some advice, and I was thinking about this situation that I'd found myself in last year, and I was thinkning to myself, "I think I made a thread about this on JUB," I had totally forgotten about this thread, and the reason is, so much of the advice that I had received from you guys was so great, that I had internalised it and started doling it out as my own pearls of wisdom. So how did it all turn out?

As fate would have it, our little clique of friends was to be broken up, geographically and otherwise. So the first to leave, was my best girl-friend who moved all over the world for like six months, ending up in the UK. My other best girl-friend had to spend one more semester at University with me then she also left, though she didn't leave the country just another city. In that six months, I think we became even closer than before as it was just the two of us. From a clique of 4, it was just the two us left. Thankfully, though the girls are people I don't see everyday anymore, our friendships are still as strong as they ever were. A day doesn't go by that I don't e-mail the one in the UK and it would be the same for the other, but she's a shitty corresponder so we make do with texts and really long (never mind expensive) phone calls every once in a while. Either way, even though they're gone, I know that if push came to shove they'd be here for me as fast as they could make it.

So that leaves, him. As I'd said in passing he graduated last yr. He didn't change Universities, merely campuses and his campus was a mere walk from my (and my other friends) campus, but that seemingly was a distance too far for him to traverse and e-mails were just too much for him to write to our friend overseas. Thus slowly over time we drifted apart. At the time while the drifting was occuring I was more than willing to let it happen. I made no effort to see him or get together with him which really confused the 2 girls, who were all trying to keep the group together. About August, he called me, as we'd been invited to a number of parties together, and I went, as something of a test to see whether I was really over him and I'm happy to report that, thankfully I was. All that angst I felt over him last yr, was just gone, and that period of separation helped in that.

So to all who took the time to write and give their word of advice to me last yr, thank you and it was all greatly appreciated!
(*8*)
 
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