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Things just keep getting worse...

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So remember this thread: http://www.justusboys.com/forum/com...378752-cant-alone-jealousy-anger-insults.html

Well I let the guy explain himself and he made a million and one promises and apologies crying none stop while virtually begging that I take him back. As reluctant as I was I said I will try... boy did I make a mistake. Maybe 5 days later (last Friday) he of course spent the night with me and then left out early in a morning for spin class. I had a 3 day flu or sinusitis or something and Friday was the worst of the days so I called in to the office took a day and went to the doc got some stuff that was really good (I'm better now :) ). After leaving the doctor's office I call my "bf" and he doesn't answer by now it's like 10 ish. I had this feeling that something wasn't right. I drove by his place and his car was there so I call again... again no answer. I left, did a few things came back maybe 30 -40 minutes later call still no answer, so I send a text and he then calls back.

He says he was in a nutritional training class that started right after his spinning class. So I ask him a few details and he gave some none to specific answers. Then I ask why his car was still at his place... long pause. Then he says his boss picked him up (even though he said the "nutrition class" was right after spin class) and he went on a long spiel. By this time I'd driven back to his place and sure enough I saw someone peeking out the blinds. So I ask well who's in your apartment ... long pause and he says "no one". I go upstairs and hear the deadbolt lock turn as I approach. He then says no one is there again. I ring the doorbell no one answers. By this time the lie was more than ever apparent. I leave and get out of sight while maintaining a view of his apartment. A few minutes later a black guy comes out of his apartment and a few minutes later he emerges out of his apartment looking left, right, up and down checking to see if the coast is clear.

Here's the kicker he runs to the bus stop because he was intent on making his lie plausible. So he was going to take the bus to work to make it appear that his boss really did pick him up... LMAO. I roll up to the bus stop and just said "now what liar?" he turned bright red and began to cry and swear nothing happened etc etc... he said he lied because he knew I'd be upset. As if being in your own house with a friend (what he wanted me to believe) is grounds to be upset. But of course this guy wasn't his friend and he said he let him in because he wanted to "test himself" and he said they only kissed and talked for 2 hours!!! while he ignored me.

Now he's calling everyday swearing that his lie and the kiss that he didn't want was all that happened. Calling and crying and promising. He literally got on his knees and prayed swore to god and on his mother that nothing more happened. But even if that's true... what did happened is too much.

Thoughts?
 
Thoughts?

1. You knew it was stupid to give him chances.

2. You acted like a giant creep, regardless of whether he was lying to you or not. Driving around following him - wtf?

3. Stop wasting everyone's time - especially your own - with these topic and just terminate this part of your life.
 
Thoughts?

1. You knew it was stupid to give him chances.

2. You acted like a giant creep, regardless of whether he was lying to you or not. Driving around following him - wtf?

3. Stop wasting everyone's time - especially your own - with these topic and just terminate this part of your life.

I'll disagree with number 2
But I'll agree with 1 and 3. This guy is a waste of time and it's causing too much stress.
 
if the guy is so ill deserving of trust (obviously justified) that you feel the need to drive past his house, the reconciliation may have been doomed from the start.

That's the thing it was a guy feeling. But now more than ever it's apparent I can't trust him and as he calls constantly asking for forgiveness I tell him even if I did forgive I can't trust him, but he wants me to try :##: he wants me to give him the opportunity to prove himself trustworthy. Maybe that's what I wanted to do the last time in a way... but not this time
 
You have made the decision, so stick to it now. If you can't trust him now, you will never be able to trust him. He can't be trusted. Move on.
 
Is it totally out of the realm of possibility for trust to be regained and for someone to prove himself trustworthy?
Could any of you ever trust him again?
 
Sounds like you're addicted to this drama because you're still hoping he can be trusted...even though you now know much better. By all means, take him back. But don't complain how you're the victim again.
 
You want this to work. That's obvious. Here's the deal. It's up to him to determine whether or not he's capable of being honest and it's up to him to determine if he's capable of being monogamous. For the sake of argument let's say he wants to be mingamous but can't. That would be an indication of sex addiction and would explain the lying.

It's possible to arrest sex addiction through a 12-step program. The best for gay men is SCA, Sexual Complusives Anonymous. Recovery can be full of relapses.

Right now I'm concerned about you and your descent into co-dependency. Your behavior can get even sicker than the addict's and lead to serious consequences.

How's this for a suggestion: six months apart with no contact while you each explore your own issues with 12-step programs and individual therapy? You need to work on you. Please believe that.

I have experience with both addictions and co-dependency and they are serious and potentially life-threatening. They are nothing to take lightly. Even if he's just a liar, you have all the signs of being co-dependent and without help you'll find the same type of guy over and over again.

Feel free to pm me anytime.
 
Both of you have some maturity issues to work on. I wouldn't take him back. Not in a million years. IF he cared so much for you he wouldn't be lying and sneaking around. IF you trusted him you wouldn't be driving by his place and checking up on him. His begging and pleading is just drama and I think part of you likes the attention. It's time for both of you to go your separate ways.

Steven.
 
I'll disagree with number 2
But I'll agree with 1 and 3. This guy is a waste of time and it's causing too much stress.

You can disagree with number 2, but it's number 2 that shows YOU hold some of the blame here as well, and disagreeing with that is not doing you any favors long term.

As for your question - no, you can't trust this person, and you have no reasons to want to.
 
Mistrust will make smart people do very dumb (and creepy) things that they may otherwise never do. Trust is gone; move on.
 
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