Two gay men IS like yin and yin

[slnattak]

The fact that my thread got banned just makes me feel that I am more right.

This is the issue that is killing gay rights and our supposed "community." Hard to fight for 'gay rights' when all the gay guys want straight guys huh? (but like I said before this probably has little to do with self-hatred and a lot more to do with just natural universal laws)

You notice that all 'gay rights' propaganda is just trying to show straight people we are like them. But I don't think we are. I advocate for TRUE diversity and TRUE tolerance.

Gay men. It's time to look in the mirror and face who you really are.

 

[DiamondSkin]

Slnattak's 'I Am Gay' thread that shows he's still very confused, conflicted and in need of counseling regarding his homosexuality:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=264376

I hope he finds acceptance with himself and I hope gets out of that small town to really see the world.

I thought straight porn made me straight but I just like the rougher way they treated the girls; I was much more focused on the men and not the women definitely.

oh shit I am 100% gay, I thought I was bisexual but nope- I am gay.

I just viewed gay porn like in the straight way and it was the hottest thing ever, like pure masculinity.

I was holding on to the 'bi' thing because I just uhh wanted to you know not be treated.....differently......but I'm discovering I'm a purely gay man when I let my mind wander, when I go out in public I always notice attractive men never attractive women WHY GOD WHY?

Help I'm scared I don't know what to do, my family will never accept me. I don't have any friends they are all I have. it seems like everything I do I try to attract the same sex even subconsciously. I also can't help but flirt with men I try not to but it just comes up. They say it's nothing to be ashamed of it's okay but its just WEIRD. I grew up in a VERY small town and NEVER saw two men doing stuff or holding hands or anything.... but I look at men in a very sexual way HELP.

 

[mike_n_herrin]

Your thread was not banned. the thread was locked because of so much hostility in it, and not necessarily a reflection on you or the actual thread. The fact that you didn't bother to check with the moderators on if you could start a related thread is extremely irritating and by all rights i should simply delete this one and issue you an infraction.

However, I will not do that. I will post this instead and remind people to keep the thread civil. Any name calling or insults on people's intelligence will result in that post being deleted and points issued for it and perhaps a temporary subforum ban.

IF and I must stress this to the extreme, IF the thread can be kept civil and to a conversational tone that's perfectly fine.

 

[LittleDove]

Your theories as to why male/female relationships -- be they anything up to and including "legal marriage" -- fail must be truly mind-boggling in their goofiness.

Perhaps it would be better to take a look in your own mirror, admit your own problems, whatever they may be, and to learn to deal with that situation, rather than to seek some nebulous victim to blame ... simply because you don't know how to deal.

 

[cayendoc]

what an assumption to make! not all gays chase str8 guys. i wud find a man attractive no matter his sexuality but as soon as i find out one is straight its an immediate turn off for me. don't make conclusions when you've only examined a particular minority

 

[Ryan444]

Would you stop with the Ying & Ying analogy.
Ying & Yang is a idea it doesnt hold any solid truth. Nothing is black and white there is always a grey area.
In sexuality straight and gay are the ying and yang and then there is a whole world of grey areas including necrophilia, pedophiliacs, BDSM, any sort of fetish, crossdressing, transexuality and many many more.

You're generalization that all gay guys lust after exclusively straight men is absurd maybe you have only met unstable gay men, but they cannot speak for all of us.
I will admit I would love to turn a straight gay or even just give a blowjob to self proclaimed straight guy, but at the same time I am realistic and know that there is only a small percent of straights that would play for both teams.
I am attracted to someone based on personality and the chemistry between us. Shoot me dead the day I start going after straight men who in the end will only reject me, but that will never happen because im not some unstable nutcase that you depict all gay men to be.

 

[Beef and Fur]

Yes, I agree. The yin and yang symbology is tiresome and faulty logic. This balance you are alluding to is something that you need to find within yourself.

While two people can compliment each other in a relationship, both of them have to be whole, balanced people first. You can't expect a partner to add your own missing element to make you balanced.

To quote the fabulous and beautiful RuPaul: "If you cant love yourself, how the hell you gonna love somebody else?"

Please, listen to the advice in both threads. Get out and meet different gay people in different settings. Don't isolate yourself with one group. Think about a therapy group. Talking to other people helps. You can go to bars but don't make that your lifestyle.

Good luck with your coming out journey. Remember, it's just that - a journey - not a destination. There will be pain. It's not going to be easy. But like any journey, you just keep going.....

Also, could you post the area where you live? If you don't want to be specific, try "major northeast city" or "small Texas town".....it may help some of us suggest resources for you to get out and get some help.

 

[Telstra]

Yes, I agree. The yin and yang symbology is tiresome and faulty logic. This balance you are alluding to is something that you need to find within yourself.

While two people can compliment each other in a relationship, both of them have to be whole, balanced people first. You can't expect a partner to add your own missing element to make you balanced.

To quote the fabulous and beautiful RuPaul: "If you cant love yourself, how the hell you gonna love somebody else?"

Please, listen to the advice in both threads. Get out and meet different gay people in different settings. Don't isolate yourself with one group. Think about a therapy group. Talking to other people helps. You can go to bars but don't make that your lifestyle.

Good luck with your coming out journey. Remember, it's just that - a journey - not a destination. There will be pain. It's not going to be easy. But like any journey, you just keep going.....

the yin yang symbol is not tiresome, but there also should be a yin yin symbol or a yang yang symbol, lets say a circle with a line across = semi circle + semi circle = full circle = yin yin or yang yang

Rupaul's quote was great.

 

[Beef and Fur]

the yin yang symbol is not tiresome, but there also should be a yin yin symbol or a yang yang symbol, lets say a circle with a line across = semi circle + semi circle = full circle = yin yin or yang yang

Rupaul's quote was great.

No, I meant his use of the yin yang idealogy in his posts is getting tiresome. Not the idea of yin yang itself.

And yes, I've heard of calls for yin/yin and yang/yang - but once again - it's about balance within yourself. Balance doesn't have to masculine/femine so there's no need to create a politically correct version of yin yang - in my opinion.

 

[slnattak]

Cut out the aggrandizing, condescending advice please. It is a personal attack. I want to wear a politically incorrect t-shirt that says 'counseling is for fags.'

Telling me to 'oh just go get therapy' is a conversation killer. It doesn't add anything of substance to the conversation and I think the only reason why you say that is because I hit a nerve deep with yourselves that you have to tell me that *I'm* the one that needs counseling. Nice try, but I'm not the one that is mentally ill here.

The fact remains that gay males are not only LUSTING but also LOVING straight men at an alarming rate. Their confidence, their attitude is naturally attractive to a gay man, and the gay man's "confidence" is usually narcissism (false confidence) that is all quite easy for me to demolish. Look how fragile YOUR own self-worth is for god sakes.

Whether or not Yin-yin exists, is beyond the point. I just meant that gay and gay guys clash. Obviously I am right. If I was a straight guy you'd be all over me. But because I'm a gay guy you fight, bitch, snipe and moan with me. Why can't you just nod your head and agree with me, because evidence proves I'm right. Look at all the 'straight guys are soooo sexy, I only like & date straight guys' threads we have. Then you try to backpedal. Pshhh.

How many gay men are in committed relationships? Not very many. Go on, try to prove that you have a 'happy relationship' with me and if such a thing exists, then it can ONLY be done via a gay and straight man. If two men are happy together, one of them is gay and the other is straight- that's all there is to it!

 

[sabot3ur]

Telling me to 'oh just go get therapy' is a conversation killer. It doesn't add anything of substance to the conversation

there wasn't any to begin with.

if your argument was logical I think you would be happier with the discussion here : /

 

[slnattak]

It's not about logic it's about emotions right? The heart wants what it wants, logic has little to do with anything.

 

[Ryan444]

The fact is slnattak you are making a gross generalization isolating one group of people to your bullshit drivel that only really makes sense in your own head.

"I just meant that gay and gay guys clash. Obviously I am right. If I was a straight guy you'd be all over me. But because I'm a gay guy you fight, bitch, snipe and moan with me. "

I can't stand people who dont understand that gay and straight are just terms that society gave us. We are all human and we all like to do what makes us hot.

A large percentage of gay men lust after other men gay or straight who have a masculine way about them and would be considered a "manly" man. There I said it happy now? Can we move on?

 

[slnattak]

And those men, the 'manly men' are straight because straight male's brains are masculinzed properly right?

I mean , I used to find gay porn stars attractive too back when I was a teenager.

Then, they talked. And it was all over. Blppppt. Hard-on down. Their masculinity was just a narcissistic facade, a fake image- they were girls through and through.

 

[Ryan444]

And those men, the 'manly men' are straight because straight male's brains are masculinzed properly right?

I mean , I used to find gay porn stars attractive too back when I was a teenager.

Then, they talked. And it was all over. Blppppt. Hard-on down. Their masculinity was just a narcissistic facade, a fake image- they were girls through and through.

Oh hell yes Ill agree with that the same ol gets boring and you want something new and different and right now gay for pay that sorta thing is really popular, however have you ever actually been with another man? There is nothing more masculine than two men who are really into eachother going at it.

You cant base your judgement of the gay population on gay porn videos of course someone who has sex for a living is putting on a facade.

Being a straight male or a gay male and acting like what is considered gay or straight isnt something that is wired into the brain, the way you are saying it is it comes naturally from your surroundings and upbringing.

 

[Beef and Fur]

You truly have a long way to go. I feel sorry for you and the people who are exposed to you.

They were right to lock the original post and it's only a matter of time until this one gets booted too.

 

[BuyMeCDs]

Okay, as stated earlier, what does the voice of a porn star have to do with the rest of the gay population?

Another point, even if you were straight, people would still be attacking you for your un-founded and unenforced "facts." People are not attacking you because of your sexuality, but the apparent lack of intelligence. I have gay friends i get along with swimmingly, and there are straight people whom, as terrible as it sounds, I thoroughly enjoy tearing down. The reverse is also true.

It's true that there are attractive straight men, and it's true that there are gay individuals in love with straight men, however, that's the individuals problem, and not something that can be applied so generally. Also, if a "straight" guy is dating another guy, he's not straight.

You seem to entirely rule out platonic affection between people. Two men can be completely happy in their friendship, and both be gay. And there are plenty of happy gay couples. Look at some of the members of JUB!

You seem to be confusing stereotypical masculinity and heterosexuality. One can be a "man's" man and still be gay. How narrowminded to think that all gays have to be limp-wristed nellies. Also, how narrow-minded to think that the dynamic in a relationship has to be based on one being "gay" and one "straight." Plowing a guy makes you just as gay as getting plowed. No ifs or buts. A relationship can be perfectly and functional with two "men's" men, and two raging stereotypes.

Don't apply your insecurities and failings to the population.

 

[Telstra]

And those men, the 'manly men' are straight because straight male's brains are masculinzed properly right?

I mean , I used to find gay porn stars attractive too back when I was a teenager.

Then, they talked. And it was all over. Blppppt. Hard-on down. Their masculinity was just a narcissistic facade, a fake image- they were girls through and through.

let me shorten it according to you

gay = girls through and throught ...

 

[slnattak]

You're not saying anything factual though. Virtually all gay men report gender atypical traits growing up. And yet they are attracted to traditional masculinity. So they aren't attracted to other gay men, they are attracted to straight men and straight men are usually attracted to them.

 

[Ryan444]

You're not saying anything factual though. Virtually all gay men report gender atypical traits growing up. And yet they are attracted to traditional masculinity. So they aren't attracted to other gay men, they are attracted to straight men and straight men are usually attracted to them.

We're the ones that arent saying anything factual?
You arent getting it, we dont care about your nonsensical ideas. You are making a gross generalization about a minority being very offensive and you have no proof to support your claims.
It wouldnt matter if you were offending homophobes we'd all still attack your wild theory because it doesnt hold any sort of light.
Get over yourself, maybe go to a gay bar in a big city so that you can see that gay's are different from one another just the like straight people.
And like straight people we arent all turned on exclusively by one type of persona. You're being a stupid ass so just quit while you are ahead.