Was 9/11 an inside job? I need to know!!

[dunno260]

No. I don't buy it for a second. The 9/11 consipiracy is a whole different level of callousness than of some others. I don't like Bush, Cheney, etc. at all, at all. But I don't believe there are many people in the world who would be capable of willingly orchestrating such an attack, especially upon their own citizens. I don't think Bush stole the 2000 election, that would have meant that he bought the Supreme Court, and there is probably a case to be made that if the decision was made otherwise he might still have won it (I doubt it, but we don't know). There is some evidence surfacing about tampering in the 2004 election in Ohio as well. But its a pretty big leap to go from election tampering to wanting to kill 3,000 of your own citizens.

I also think if there was anything worthwhile that more reputable people would be picking up the story such as folks like Bob Woodward and many other of the many Bush opponents.

 

[CountryJohn]

This is how I see it. Yes. I will never ever get anyone to convince me that BOTH those towers would fall ever so perfectly fall into themselves without causing more damage all around them. Ever see them blow up just one hotel in the middle of Las Vegas or any other city. It takes several months of planning and several technical people to make that sort of thing happen. The elite have made billions off of this fiasco.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

I don't think the Bush Administration is smart enough to pull off something that big. So I don't think so.

 

[james1200]

they didn't set it into motion but they knew it was coming...that's been documented over and over again...and they did nothing. i honestly believe they wanted to take political advantage of the situation...they knew people rally around the flag and the president during a crisis and they let it happen. think back to bush's presidency pre-9/11...he was a joke with half the population thinking he was illegitimate, and he was widely despised...he even lost the senate AFTER the election...some republican senator defected giving control to the democrats. after 9/11, it was like a different presidency and he consolidated power like no one had since FDR. bush didn't plan 9/11 but he let it happen for political reasons and that was just as criminal an act.

 

[james1200]

a jet completely loaded with fuel slammed into the towers...of course they imploded! what's really amazing is that they stood for over an hour after they were hit!

 

[james1200]

look at the vids on the collapse...they're all over google and youtube. the upper floors did cave in first then it was a pancake effect. dude, two JETS slammed into the towers, each going over 500 miles an hour...do you not think it was the amazing construction that kept the towers standing for as long as they did?? there is so much evil committed by bush and his people that we have proof of that we don't need to add things that make us sound like loons!!!

 

[belamy]

Was 12/7 an inside job?

 

[james1200]

yes...don't you know FDR let it happen cause he was bored?

 

[jaysizzles]

My understanding of the collapse...

The collapse of the buildings has been studied by Engineers and is explainable. I've seen documentaries on this and basically the determination is tha buildings are not designed to withstand the intensity of explosions and fires from the jet fuel. The impact of the planes comprimised a few floors of the building structurally...but if it had not been for the fire...the buildings would have stayed standing. The fire resistant construction (probably fire rated gypsum board and sprayed on coatings) surrounding the steel was also comprimised upon impact... The sprinkler systems were no match for the jet fuel inferno and they were probably also destroyed during the impact of the aircraft anyway. The planes hit into the buiding quite a few floors below the top of the building...so once the steel reached its stress levels ...failure occured...either by bending or breaking of the steel. The massive weight of the upper floors falling on the lower floors caused the collapse. If you recall...the collapse started out slowly then picked up speed...due to all the weight and momentum. The steel just snapped like toothpicks.

 

[CountryJohn]

The Bush family is not among the elite. I'm sure they'd like to be tho. He's just a dummy front man having his strings pulled by people who are far more rich and powerful than himself.

 

[D-Base]

well, to be honest, that's the part I struggle with. I find it really hard to believe any government could orchestrate such an event, but how, I mean HOW, can two, (in fact 3) steel-framed scyscrapers collapse after a 1 hour fire in each? How could all the steel in the central columns heat up equally from top to bottom and melt all at the same time so that the towers collapse neatly in under 10 seconds?
If terrorists blew up the buildings, I would believe it, but SURELY we can't be expected to believe they just 'fell down' due to melted steel?

It's entirely possible for a steel frame to give in when being overheated. There is a point in the structure of the steel where it cannot handle any more pressure or loads. 600* C is a melting point for regular construction steel and after that point is exceeded (fire burning longer than half an hour) then steel just gives in, buckles and breaks...

A skyscraper is constructed so that it can carry the enormous loads of it's self wight, free loads (e.g. people), wind pressure, and some special loads such earthquake forces.

A plane attack isn't exactly what buildings are being designed for. The initial impact destroyed a huge deals of those supporting steel columns of the skyscrapers, huge deal of the remaining columns got overheated and they just gave in, it's simple as that... they couldn't carry the enormous pressure of the floors above them...

 

[khushibagh]

that does make sense, although a lot of engineers and demolition experts disagree. But what about WTC 7? The owner actually admitted the building was 'pulled'.

WTC7 didn't collapse along with the Twin Towers, it collapsed much later in the day having been rendered structurally unsound by all the falling debris. I don't know what Silverstein meant by "pulled" since I didn't see the video but that building had been completely evacuated long before its collapse and was probably a total loss anyway so I don't think there is anything sinister about its collapse.

 

[ComNavFdgPk]

Let's put it this way; if the Bush administration were indeed callous (or smart) enough to engineer the disaster of 9/11 and kill that many American citizens, how long do you think ANYONE that was going to blow the whistle on them would be allowed to live?

 

[Hot_Twink]

I remember seeing that they said the WTC towers were poorly maintained, and they didn't have the enough of the fire proof form spread on girders, which is why they melted.

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

No

I can't believe that any American would allow that to Happen.

 

[Oden_grey]

WTC was much further away from the twin towers than any of the accompanying buidlings, none of which collapsed. There is no plausible reason for fires starting inside WTC during the day, and no reason for it to collapse. Dude, you have the owner of the site on film saying 'the decision was made to pull it'. I mean, surely, you'd think people would be interested in getting him to elaborate on that, rather than just insisting that it all collapsed quite understandably. If they did 'pull' it, a term in the industry for demolition, that's incredible that this hasn't been looked into.

I don't believe the conspiracy aspect of 9-11 because #1 no government in the world could have pulled off something so elaborate, involving so many people and not get caught, #2 the conspiracy theories are really just stories made by simpletons for simpletons who believe anything that is written on the internet... even though such "scholarly" works are not grounded in any scientific or research protocols and at the end of the day are imaginative observations massaged into fact for the purposes of putting the underdog party (Democratic Party) in power.

I'm an engineer (albeit a new one)... so after 9-11, most of our structures classes were dedicated to the World Trade Center collapses for a while. The building pancaked on itself because of the way the buiding was designed. The superstructure (outside part) was the main support system for the building... when that was breached by two fully fueled Boeing 767s and followed by an intense conflagration (jet fuel typically burns between 300C and 1000C depending on the environment of the burning fuel) collapse was pretty much imminent. It's not really the temperture of the burn, but the fact that the intense heat over a long period of time caused the metal in the structure in the building to yeild (a form of load bearing capacity loss). Seeing as how the points where the building was breached by the aircraft were already severely damaged... the weight of the upper floors on the yeilding, compromised stuctures on the 80th + floors pretty much caused the collapse.

As far as why the building collapsed on itself (pancaked) instead of just having the upper 1/4 topple over is probably a matter of having the "right" conditions. However, I've heard that skyscrapers are designed to collapse upon themselves in the event of structural failure so as to not kill more people by toppling onto surrounding buildings. I'm not sure how true this is though because logic would dictate that the nature of the collapse would depend solely on the "unique" condition of failure.

 

[bma1983]

If 9/11 was an inside job (which I don't believe), does that mean al-Qaeda and the US government are cohorts? And if al-Qaeda and the US government are cohorts, does that mean that the Spanish governments are cohorts with those who blew up those trains in Madrid? Is the British government in association with those who blew up trains and buses in London?

 

[Austin40acres]

Well . . .

Let's not forget that the FBI assassinated John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Bobby Kennedy.

The Federal Government is also hiding the UFO's and alien autopsies at Area 51.

The moon landing was also filmed in California at a Hollywood studio.

Princess Diana is not dead, just living with Dodi in the Swiss Alps.

There are ALL kinds of reasons for all of you to be paranoid. In fact, if you're NOT paranoid, you're an idiot.

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