Web Design woes. look at what I have to deal with

[Blakiepoo]

Here's an example of what my boss does when he clumsily WYSIWYGs

<div align="center">
<b><font color="#a43e1f" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">
<a style="TEXT-DECORATION: none" href="link here">
<span class="style4">
<span class="style5">An Evening in S</span></span></a>

<a href="SAME link here" class="style2">
<span class="style4">
<span class="style5">pain</span></span></a>
</font></b>
</div>

and I just spent like 2 minutes cleaning up the spacing of the code for you all because it's just ridiculously complicated to read.

How many cooks is too many cooks in the kitchen? TWO

P.S. Style5 is setting the font color to #A43E1F and the same font size as in the <font> tag.

 

[Kins123]

Re: Web Design woes. look at what I have to deal

yuck yuck yuck yuck!


WYSIWYG code is so ugly and inefficient.

 

[Jimboy121]

Re: Web Design woes. look at what I have to deal

Kins123 is right, would'nt touch that with a virtual coded barge pole.

 

[Blakiepoo]

Re: Web Design woes. look at what I have to deal

i know! half of the work i do is wading through the mess.

 

[Kins123]

Re: Web Design woes. look at what I have to deal

Shame you can't sack your boss

I know what you mean though. I really do hate WYSIWYG sites and there really is no skill in building a site with one. We've just taken control of 3 sites that were built in Dreamweaver or similar and it is just tables within tables within tables . The client asked for changes and was almost impossible to hand code the changes. I had to download a free trial of Dreamweaver just to be able to make the minor changes!

 

[Blakiepoo]

Re: Web Design woes. look at what I have to deal

dreamweaver's better than frontpage. MS puts all of this useless crap in all of the tags. I really have no idea what it does.

And yes, Tables within tables within tables. And half of them aren't closed properly, so you open it in a WYSIWYG editor and it shows a blank pages because it doesn't even know how to interpret all of the mess. If the computer can't comprehend it all, how am I supposed to?

Usually I use wordpad or Dreamweaver, but I only work in the code section, and use the half-view for previewing purposes only. I NEVER edit things in the preview pane. I'm sure there are much better programs, but I'm just too lazy to research.

Hey, one good thing about DW is that it has tools to clean up messy code which can make things a lot easier to work with.

 

[wanderer]

Re: Web Design woes. look at what I have to deal

Shame you can't sack your boss

I know what you mean though. I really do hate WYSIWYG sites and there really is no skill in building a site with one. We've just taken control of 3 sites that were built in Dreamweaver or similar and it is just tables within tables within tables . The client asked for changes and was almost impossible to hand code the changes. I had to download a free trial of Dreamweaver just to be able to make the minor changes!

i remember you were a big supporter of CSS right (from some other thread) do you have a link to a favorite site of yours, with reasons why it works well?

and is there a way to make dreamweaver not make all the tables?

and most importantly, can you post some large pics of whoever that is in your avatar???

 

[Kins123]

Re: Web Design woes. look at what I have to deal

i remember you were a big supporter of CSS right (from some other thread) do you have a link to a favorite site of yours, with reasons why it works well?

and is there a way to make dreamweaver not make all the tables?

and most importantly, can you post some large pics of whoever that is in your avatar???

There are lots of great sites out there. Also some great articles as well. Off the top of my head:

http://www.thinkvitamin.com/ (Some really good articles on here)
http://www.w3schools.com/ (Learn the basics)
http://www.netmag.co.uk/ (Web design/development magazine. It's called Practical Web Design in the US)

I also have quite a few books. I find them really good for information. Some of my favourite CSS ones:

Transcending CSS - The fine art of web design by Andy Clarke. This is a really good book. It's not really a technical "how to" type book, more about the design/development process.
US - http://www.amazon.com/Transcending-CSS-Design-Voices-Matter/dp/0321410971

UK - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Transcendin...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207344311&sr=8-1

CSS Mastery by Andy Budd. This is another great book which is very well written and has some real good stuff in. This isn't really a good book if you are still a beginner.

US - http://www.amazon.com/CSS-Mastery-Advanced-Standards-Solutions/dp/1590596145/ref=pd_sim_b_img_1

UK - http://www.amazon.co.uk/CSS-Mastery...pd_bxgy_b_img_b?ie=UTF8&qid=1207344311&sr=8-1

The CSS Anthology by Rachel Andrew. This is basically the book I used to learn CSS. The format is basically like a Q & A - "How do I..." etc.


Hmm. Don't know too much about Dreamweaver. Maybe the latest version (CS3?) produces better code. I wouldn't really want to fork out that much for it anyway. I use Textmate - http://macromates.com/ and CSSEdit - http://macrabbit.com/cssedit/. Of course, these are Mac programs but there are some really good Windows equivalents too. I know people who use TextPad and others that use Notepad++ and they seem to like them.

Of course, we need to get our priorities right . It is Maxxie (Mitch Hewer) from a show called Skins here in the UK. My avatar is from this clip: