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Windows XP OEM to disappear by 1 January 2008

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Well I suppose if you can't make people want to buy a product, but you need them to buy it then the corporate answer is to force them to buy it.

It could of course backfire and drive corporate purchasers towards the Linux / Mac side. Perhaps it will drive Linux developers to improve the user experience, not that there aren't some excellent GUIs out there now. Ironically part of the problem may be that as it is free, it doesn't generate revenue that can be used to promote it.
 
noelie said:
... I think the next OS from MS will be Unix based or similar but there are rumours that it will all go 64bit and we'll see the introduction of completely new hardware architecture (some of which is already out there)...
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you don't mean Vienna do you? i've not heard any whispers that it will be unix based. but i have heard rumors that it will be completely 64bit.
 
Im not sure what they are doing wrong here. It is common practice for companies to phase out older products. Last I checked you cant buy older versions of OSX from apple, nor can you buy a model 05 car new from the maker. Its not as if MS is deactivating old copies of XP, they are just no longer selling them like any company would do.

And I highly doubt Vienna/Rome/whatever the code name of the month is will be based on UNIX. If anything it will be based on Microsoft Research's Singularity project.
http://research.microsoft.com/os/singularity/
 
i heard that after windows vienna, there is to be windows T2000, and this is probably where we get wiped out.:p
 
:confused: Well I'm still waiting for an answer from MS; besides a big upgrade bill what does Vista give me that XP doesn't?
 
Seems like you guys are getting your panties in a wad over nothing. Why should any of us care if microsoft wants to phase out XP? Unless you happen to own Dell...or happen to own a company that uses hundreds of computers that you have to buy and upgrade...who the hell cares? XP will still be for sale on ebay for the rest of our lives....and support will continue long, long after 2008.
 
It would cost the company I work for an enormous amout of money to convert to Vista that quickly not only because of the cost of acquisition but also due to migration costs.
 
T-Rexx said:
Nobody wants to buy old versions of OS X or 2005 model cars. People think the new models of both are better.

Perhaps people are stupid, but they don't feel that way about Vista. Only 12% of Windows XP users surveyed in April planned to move to Vista within the next year. Twelve per cent. In January, 20% of XP users had planned to upgrade. Microsoft's massive $500 million advertising campaign for Vista evidently convinced 8% of XP users who had been planning to upgrade in the next year not to proceed.
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I'm not sure that cars is an ideal analogy, as most people upgrade their cars because it's either done too many miles and is about to become more of a financial liability or their circumstances have changed and it no longer suits it's purpose.

The problem with something like an OS is that it really is not going to make a major difference to someone's life. I have no intention of purposely upgrading to Vista, (there is no way that the cost justifies the benefits to the vast majority of home-users) however when I buy my next PC, I won't have an issue with it having Vista instead of XP.

In fact, the only people I know who have bought Vista (as an intentional upgrade rather than pre-installed on a new PC) are my techno-geek friends

The issue that always changes people's minds is that (like XP) it looks good and sounds good, and then when it's released out of BETA, there are still shit loads of problems that need patching. It's all well and good that it gets tested in BETA version, but most of those testing it aren't Mr & Mrs Joe Average - hence the rack of issues when it's unleashed to the mass market who don't always know what they're doing.

One of the companies that I'm involved with have thousands of PCs all on XP. and I can guarantee they won't change them over to Vista until mid-summer 2008 at the earliest - once the issues have been ironed out, (although our schools will probably be an exception).
 
3nipples said:
It would cost the company I work for an enormous amout of money to convert to Vista that quickly not only because of the cost of acquisition but also due to migration costs.
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Nobody has to "convert" anything...they simply won't sell XP on new machines anymore in 2008. That's still a year away, by the way...
 
T-Rexx said:
After 31 January 2008, it will no longer be possible to replace an existing XP computer in place at a company with the same.
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Computers come with these magical things called optical drives. All you have to do is put a windows XP CD in this magical drive...and POOF...a new computer running windows XP, even if the year is 2020. If a company has several computers running windows XP, then they also have several windows XP CDs already on hand.

Whether OEM computers come with XP preinstalled or not is really not an issue.
 
T-Rexx said:
^ Sorry, that's not permitted under the EULA. And Microsoft has historically been quite aggressive at going after large companies that try to do that.
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What isn't permitted? Installing windows XP? How much crack have you smoked this morning?
 
You're being naive if you think the OS is the only issue. We don't just run the operating system on our machines.
 
3nipples said:
You're being naive if you think the OS is the only issue. We don't just run the operating system on our machines.
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By all means...enlighten me. How will the fact that computers don't come preloaded with XP hurt your company? You can still install XP on any machine you want. Also, how is that any different than the switch from windows 3.1 to 95, or the switch from 95 to 98 or the switch from 98 to 2000, or the switch from 2000 to XP? Did somebody make a new rule that you can't upgrade any more?
 
T-Rexx said:
Correct. Old copies of XP may not legally be installed on new machines after 31 January 2008.
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Bullshit. Complete bullshit. As long as you paid for your copy of windows XP, you can install that copy on one machine, any machine, for as long as you want. I bought a copy of XP 6 years ago and I'll bet you $10,000 there is nothing anywhere that says I can't reinstall it after next year. Why do you think XP support is continuing until at least 2014?
 
Wow. You should come work for us. You could replace our entire IT department single handedly :D
 
Christ...you're so dumb it hurts. :rolleyes:


T-Rexx said:
It is NOT legal to transfer a volume (site) license to a new PC.
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Who said anything about a volume license? :rolleyes:

T-Rexx said:
It is NOT legal to transfer a copy of an unsupported version of Windows to a new PC.
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You just made that up. It is perfectly legal to install windows 98, which is totally unsupported at this point. Regardless, like I said, XP support continues until at least 2014.

T-Rexx said:
It is NOT legal to transfer the copy of Windows installed on a new machine to another machine, even if you erase it completely from the original computer.
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You missed a key word there: OEM. Again, I said nothing about using OEM software. Regular, non OEM copies of windows CAN be copied from computer to computer, so long as it's only on one at a time. This is perfectly legal. Also, it IS legal to transer an OEM license if you transfer a peice of computer hardware as well - such as a peice of memory, or CPU.

T-Rexx said:
BTW, you owe me $10,000, SecondMonkey.
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No, I don't. Show me proof of where I am no longer allowed to install my non volume non OEM copy of XP after next year and I'll send you a check.

Please stop digging yourself into a hole. You have no clue what you're talking about.
 
Well...I could spend an hour explaining to you what a bunch of hogwash your last post was....but I've got more important things to do.

So I'll just ask you this. How is the upgrade from XP to Vista different from the upgrade from 3.1 to 95, or 95 to 98, or 98 to 2000, or 2000 to XP? Computers don't come preloaded with any of those OS's either, how come you're not bitching about that?

There are always issues when upgrading operating systems, and any business that isn't ready for that is doing a terrible, terrible job.
 
you now what this means? come february 2008, all the "help me" threads will be on vista systems. :eek:
 
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