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Video ‘Krystal Ball: What will Obama do to stop Bernie Sanders’

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A recent report by Ryan Lizza, in Politico, titled “Waiting for Obama” (Waiting for Obama), includes information that the previous Democratic Party-affliated U.S. president, Barack Obama, may try to prevent Vermont U.S. senator Bernie Sanders from the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination (should Sanders be in position).

Given that Obama has been recently making efforts to tell would-be 2020 Democratic presidential primaries voters to not move the party to the left, and this comes 11 years after his “Hope and Change” Election 2008 campaign, I believe it. Supporting this is what the 44th U.S. president said of himself just one month after re-election, in 2012:
Obama: More Moderate Republican Than Socialist.

The Hill has a series called The Rising. One of its two anchors is Krystal Ball, formerly of MSNBC at at a time in which that programmer wasn’t full of propaganda as it is nowadays. Ball weighs in on this with an accurate summary on what this is really about.
 
:rotflmao:

Sorry.

I just can't.

And it is pretty clear that no matter how we all love Bernie...he isn't going to be in the first position by the time the primaries are over.
 
I don't think Ball's summation is accurate or fair.

She refers to the DNC as Obama's. It is not.

She caustically chastised Obama for not leading the fight against Trump. He is following the long tradition of former presidents allowing their successors to govern without running armchair commentary from the past president. Teddy Roosevelt did not follow such wisdom and it badly tarnished his legacy. Even G. W. Bush sat quietly during the Obama administration.

This all seems to be a tempest in a teacup, as there is a frenzy of pundits trying to second guess what will happen.

I don't think Obama will do anything more than caution the populace to stay center enough to win against Trump. He'll endorse whoever wins at the convention, and I doubt that will be one of the extremists.
 
When we talk "extremist".... wouldn't FDR be considered one using the "let's not get TOO radical" treatment?

Trump is extremist compared to who we have elected in the past. It's a bit of a "boogeyman" trope. Sometimes we need a push, and times like these are not ordinary times. Even a "centrist" will be portrayed as something maybe just right of Bolshevik by the Republicans. Mitch Mc Connell isn't doing squat with even Joe "Vanilla Supreme" Biden.... if ole Moscow Mitch still has a GOP Senate majority, he'll try to do for Joe what he wished for Barack Obama. Make him a one term president.

I don't like to see a Bernie or Bust mentality on the left, or a similar ploy by those in the middle against someone who might prove popular once the primaries get in full swing, like Bernie or Elizabeth Warren. Then again, I'm not optimistic whomever we elect, if a Dem, is going to be able to get anything of significance accomplished through Congress. I hope I'm wrong, I just don't see it. Of course first and foremost we have to get Trump out...I'd hold my nose but yeah would vote for Joe Biden if he were the nominee. There just isn't a choice... but I do think the primary process will be a good time to explore just exactly how "radical" or not certain policies are. Even moderates like Pete Buttigieg like the idea in the long run of us transitioning to a version of "Medicare For All"... just not too fast and to disruptive as forcing tens of millions with insurance to do so in only a few years . If we get it wrong it would be something we could lose altogether, they argue and it's worth a vigorous debate. Look to where the Republicans are, where they want us to go. Certainly not forward, with their flawed, reflexive "market" solutions which would see a rise of "skinny" health care plans with reduced coverage.
 
Fortunately, this time, there is not likely to be a Bernie or Bust movement. Voters have Warren as an alternative....the one that worries me the most is Yang. I can see his posse being so pissy when he doesn't win that they will sit the election out.
 
When we talk "extremist".... wouldn't FDR be considered one using the "let's not get TOO radical" treatment?
. . .

Look to where the Republicans are, where they want us to go. Certainly not forward, with their flawed, reflexive "market" solutions which would see a rise of "skinny" health care plans with reduced coverage.

First, I want to repeat that I am closer to socialist than democrat. I am a registered independent and have been for some time. Obviously, with only a two party system at the national level, that doesn't leave reformers much choice.

There are many things that I do champion far to the left: universal health care, either nationalization of big pharma or removal of barriers from importation, minimum wage at $15 or higher, rent control, government subsidized housing, heavy taxation of internet giants, fossil fuels, and Wall St. All that said, the migration must be metered.

Roosevelt was a rare case. He was extremist only in so much as Jimmy Carter was, elected during a time of broad national crisis. FDR indeed tried many radical solutions when compared to anything previous in the US, including some illegal actions that were not Constitutional, but we all made it through and were better for it, for a while. I believe we are in national crisis today, but I don't think my view is that of the majority of the nation. They view us as economically ok, and the rest is whatever, per Clinton's "it's the economy, stupid!"

Unfortunately, Biden is capable but more and more each day appearing caricature-like in his debates, resembling Walter on Jeff Dunham's lap.

I fear it won't be just the Yangists who sit at home once the far left loses in the final convention, and by that time Trump will be acquitted by the Senate and appear invulnerable. That will likely cause disillusionment in all the reformers. Bloomberg or Biden, or another centrist will head the ticket. I will say this. I don't agree with the billionaire solution, but it may be possible for Bloomberg to simultaneously sell himself as a reformer due to his gun control background, eliminate the worry that Biden's misspeaks have caused, and appear centrist enough to win over the moderate GOP bunch who would like to drink Trump's blood.

He's also a New Yorker, and God knows the media thinks New York is Zion, so there's that boost.

The only hitch will be the black vote. But I think that would be handled by a savvy choice of VP. In addition to Booker, Harris, and Patrick, there are some surprise possibilities like Condoleeza Rice or others who have high name recognition. In fact, choosing a black from a GOP administration might be the selling point, but I'm off in fantasy, I admit. I'll sit down now.
 
^ Wow, interesting comments. I like Biden and Buttigieg. Also like Cory Booker and Amy Klobucher, but Bloomberg's commercials are good and have caught my attention. Your VP choices are intriguing.
 
The VP slot has always been a numbers game in modern times. Quail and Palin were used as foils to older candidates who lacked appeal to the young. Truman was a Middle American used to take some of the patrician smell off FDR and woo the rest of the country. Agnew was to make Nixon look virtuous by contrast. ;) Biden was used to assuage the Old Line Democrats who might have been less enthused about a relative newbie like Obama.

In different times, Bloomberg would be looking for a regional sell, someone with a distinctly non-NY appeal. In this case, it's not as necessary, and it will be a minority, someone who will be seen as a Big Tent inclusion. If there were not such a large caucus among blacks for Biden, the ticket normally wouldn't woo them as a group so blatantly. But, if the numbers are run, the Latinos are going to vote Democrat anyway, but blacks voting less frequently might sit it out if Bloomberg were to choose another white, or even a Latino. The good news is that there are three qualified candidates already running and that all of them seem capable of assuming the Oval Office if mishap required it. And there is a deep bench of qualified people from the past two administrations who might be even better. There might even be a magic trick out there like a Colin Powell or some other great that has been silent. At 82, he's not going to be the man, as it's going to have to be someone 30 years or so younger than Bloomberg.

Sanders may be defying the norm in his appeal to the young but lots of the others don't share that. Bloomberg doesn't have any credibility problems, just has to sell the line that he isn't an oligarch. He has plenty of real success in politics to have no problem with that.

And, I think his entry was needed. The hydra that is the Democratic field is a problem, and Biden seems like self damaged goods. Although I have no doubt that Hunter's job did nothing illegal, the old guard system it represents is accurately pilloried as abuse, and will damage Biden in the general election.
 
^ Wow, interesting comments. I like Biden and Buttigieg. Also like Cory Booker and Amy Klobucher, but Bloomberg's commercials are good and have caught my attention. Your VP choices are intriguing.

All that crap in the OP is silly butthurt on the part of people who are still having a tantrum. They aren't going to stop pouting anyway and are only of use to the enemy.

However, what WILL successfully shear off the left is Bloomberg successfully buying the nomination. Think about that the next time you see one of his commercials.

If he really wants to further change, he can put all that cash into a super-pac that focuses on education and truth, and doesn't endorse anyone.
 
I'm sorry, but Krystal Ball is just a great drag name.
 
Not trying to belittle her as that is her real name, just when I hear a name like that I see a fabulous drag persona.
 
^ I forgot to put a 'winky' face after my comment. Sorry.
No worries... I do think there is a lot to the thought we should remember, as Democrats, our FDR roots. Too many insiders and establishment people in the party want to minimize that as too "radical". Of course, we have to be pragmatic enough to govern, and not force a one size fits all, untenable "vision" of progressive governing, but we need to embrace it. But purity tests and always sniping about anyone who's not unambiguously far left being problematic don't help, either. To go too far too fast and trust too much and to make critical mistakes would derail any return to a more liberal perspective for decades, and we'd be ruined by the "conservative" reactive policies that would replace them. So we have to get things right, and just pushing the "go far left or bust" option is NOT something we should do. Destroying our party to spite the other side, whether it's moderates hell bent on preventing an emphasis on progressive ideals or uncompromising progressives who don't give a fig about keeping things grounded and fulfilling the right's dream of presenting ourselves as far left boogeymen trying to radically transform all things at once... is just incredibly short sighted and selfish. There are ways to get to progressive goals without scaring more than half the country that we're going too far. And if we destroy ourselves, the only winner will be a Republican Party farther right wing and out of touch than anytime in history. And America loses badly.
 
Why are all the Berniebros whining about Obama, when there is an actual billionaires trying to buy Bernie's birthright?
 
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