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10,000 Boomers Hit Age 65 Every Day Now

Why are you dragging in administrative fees????



Right -- like I said, sloppy and corrupt.

But nowhere did I mention employees.



No, I'm operating on facts, as supplied by health care officials, folks who run a nation-wide retirement community system, and a couple of articles I've read about retirement. Dad's doctors told mom he would live longer if we didn't move -- one reason the house didn't get sold when it could have for half a million (and now won't sell for a third of that).


People "should" retire where and when they please; wishing them off to other continents strikes me as just wanting to get them out of the way.

No, they might have a much better live in other continents because the cost of living is very low, and plenty of people will take care of them for a little pay ...

And change might be very exciting for them.
From old concrete buildings to green tropical heavenly surroundings.


Just say living in Vietnam for example. So much more things to have fun for old people.
 
No, they might have a much better live in other continents because the cost of living is very low, and plenty of people will take care of them for a little pay ...

And change might be very exciting for them.
From old concrete buildings to green tropical heavenly surroundings.


Just say living in Vietnam for example. So much more things to have fun for old people.

That life might look "much better" to you. To them the change can be distressful and life-shortening -- that's just the facts, as learned by people with a serious interest in keeping the elderly alive.

Change can be exciting, but also distressing. My dad may well have died early because F%&$ing government bureaucrats wouldn't let his doctors send him home where he needed to be. When we finally got him home, all sorts of signs changed radically for the better, but it was a bit too late. While my mom was at the retirement community, it wasn't uncommon for some people who moved in to have a brief period of energy followed by distress and death, when they'd been doing just fine before -- and the medical people there all frustrated because they knew the only thing that was wrong was the people had been moved from their accustomed place.

Asserting that elderly people should move overseas because it would be exciting for them is sort of like telling gay teens to move to highly homophobic areas: in both cases, some will survive, a few might thrive, but many would be in for serious trouble.

For those who can handle it -- great, let them move! But to say they "should" is uncaring.
 
for the sake of discussion i'll accept your premise ..|

and... what you say will only get worse because the 'takers' are becoming a larger % of the electorate

Which variety of "takers" -- the ones who expect the government to bring them money from other people's incomes, or the variety who expect the government to funnel them money via rigged, unfair economic structures?
 
If our economy depends on an ever-expanding population, we're doomed.

We're doomed.

BTW Telly, interesting idea. I have a cousin who fled to Costs Rica as a tax haven and while his brother and wife were both lucky enough to die down there, he was telling us that he's likely going to move back to the north in order to get the medical care and support he needs.

I keep thinking about retreating to the tropics to live some sort of fantasy retirement, waited on hand and foot by the admiring and poorly paid natives, but then I start feeling all Presbyterian about exploiting anyone and realize how much I'd miss our farm here in the frozen tundra.
 
We're doomed.

No, we just need a new paradigm.

BTW Telly, interesting idea. I have a cousin who fled to Costs Rica as a tax haven and while his brother and wife were both lucky enough to die down there, he was telling us that he's likely going to move back to the north in order to get the medical care and support he needs.

I keep thinking about retreating to the tropics to live some sort of fantasy retirement, waited on hand and foot by the admiring and poorly paid natives, but then I start feeling all Presbyterian about exploiting anyone and realize how much I'd miss our farm here in the frozen tundra.

And meanwhile "medical tourism", where Americans travel to South and Central America for medical care they can get there cheaper, including the cost of a two-week stay, than here.

Weird.
 
We're doomed.

BTW Telly, interesting idea. I have a cousin who fled to Costs Rica as a tax haven and while his brother and wife were both lucky enough to die down there, he was telling us that he's likely going to move back to the north in order to get the medical care and support he needs.

I keep thinking about retreating to the tropics to live some sort of fantasy retirement, waited on hand and foot by the admiring and poorly paid natives, but then I start feeling all Presbyterian about exploiting anyone and realize how much I'd miss our farm here in the frozen tundra.

You are not exploiting anyone if they are happy to do the work.
 
... cite? My search found that Nike was guilty of breaking minimum wage laws and even child labor laws.

I'm not finding anything right off.

Part of Nike's problem on wages is that it has run at least three different systems for manufacturing: their own plants, directly contracted plants, and secondary contracted plants.

The secondary contracted have been a pain in the ass to them all along because it's kind of like the old Roman tax-farming system: they pay for a contract for making X pairs of shoes, and the outfit they contract with tries to squeeze out as much profit as they can when they contract with actual factories, and the factory owners squeeze out everything they can. It's a stupid system (as a number of us at OSU and U of O told Phil Knight once), because there's no incentive at all along the way to do anything but squeeze by cutting costs and corners. That's where most of the problems have been; IIRC, right around the turn of the millennium, Knight promised to end all secondary contracting because they had no control over the manufacturing process at all.

Theoretically the directly contracted plants shouldn't have been a problem, because there's direct Nike supervision. I don't know if it was naivete or what, though, but until the late 90s Nike did very little of that supervision, and trusted the local owners and managers in southeast Asia. That was a big issue with some protests when I was at OSU, which included some student athletes threatening to make public service announcements telling people to not buy Nike (when that came also from Knight's alma mater, U of O, he sudden;y decided there was a need for hands-on oversight... we assumed he meant he'd go over, but I don't know if he did). I do remember a statement sent out to all us obnoxious "we'll buy elsewhere" types saying they'd amended all those contracts, as of renewal dates, so the minimum wage would be at least $1/hr. (and we sent some rather nasty letters back to Knight, suggesting he could get action faster than that by "friendly" contract upgrades, renegotiated to give the factory owners improved terms in exchange for higher wages).

I'm not aware there's ever been a problem at factories Nike actually owns/owned. Those have had American management. But IIRC the figures from when I was at OSU, out of hundreds of factories, Nike only actually owned less than a score -- seems rather strange, to me; if I owned a company, I'd want to own my own factories (the only thing I could figure was that in order to expand rapidly, they grabbed at whatever capacity they could find).

In a way, as Knight admitted in a statement back when I was part of being a thorn in his side, there have been two Nikes: the American-managed company with a liberal management drawn heavily from U of O, and the foreign-managed mess of poorly- to non-supervised facilities. He pledged to make it just one Nike... I haven't paid attention to how he's done on that. I do remember trying to grasp that in Nike-owned factories they were paying for an hour what in some of the others they were paying for an entire day -- often a ten hour day.


BTW -- and I don't have a source at hand for this; sorry -- in the last few years, Nike and others have been under pressure from the United States to NOT improve the conditions.

Culprit: Walmart.
 
Nope.

We're going to bankrupt the system.

Oh and did I mention that the price of real estate will likely drop like a stone as seniors die and are institutionalized; thereby leaving millions of apartments and houses vacant?

Oh and as we bail out of the equities markets, the price of shares will continue to only reflect the pace of inflation. Except for any of the growth indudtries focussed on the over 65's.

We're doomed.

Such an optimist I have never seen ;)

Come on rare one, we can't start the new year with such ............... despair and despondency

take a deep breath and a long walk to clear those evil thoughts from your head

Watching "Pirate Radio" on HBO ........... so good :)

Happy 2011
 
... cite? My search found that Nike was guilty of breaking minimum wage laws and even child labor laws.

Yup. Nike's one of the worst offenders, and continues to be.

One only needs to Google "nike minimum wage" and see which side of the coin Nike comes down on, slave labor or great pay. Bet you can guess which side they come down on. ..|
 
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