10 Myths about Priestly Pedophilia

[opinterph]

Catholic bashing and pedophile priests

So, do you agree with Mr. Medved’s conclusion that homosexuality is the underlying problem?

 

[cocksucker4use]

So, the Church is the victim? Catholic bashing? It sounds like the thesis is that the church had a few bad apples, and then the catholic-haters come out of the woodwork. For decades, the Church engaged in covering up criminal acts and shuffling criminals from place to place without any concern for the victims. As the true scope of the problem started to leak out in diocese across the country, and around the world, the church retrenched its denial, and only came to whatever degree of transparency after settling hundreds of millions in law suits, seeing priests in jail and being confronted with the real possibility of bishops and cardinals being charged with conspiracy at the very least. In some ways the church is the victim, but not from without. The true spiritual search has suffered at the hands of those who are supposed serve Christ and His Church, but have only served themselves without shame or concience.

 

[Corny]

well those articles do exactly what the churches do. ignore the problem at hand, obfuscate and shift the guilt.

 

[palbert]

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/rel...phy/373789-rebuild-my-church.html#post8018013

It is strange to see these apologias from the same member who started the above thread ("Rebuild My Church") in this very Forum.

 

[Kulindahr]

In response to the charge of shuffling priests from place to place, I'll note that the article informs us that bishops were depending on the "experts", i.e. psychiatrists who insisted they could cure pedophiles and other abusers. Other institutions were doing the same, with the same results, and at some point it was realized that the psychiatrists were too arrogant in their confidence, that these things can't be cured.

That's the point at which the bishops stopped shuffling people and started looking for another path. I'm just disappointed that they went the route of defrocking abusive priests rather than ordering them to monasteries where they'd never again even see a minor.

 

[opinterph]

I'm just disappointed that they went the route of defrocking abusive priests rather than ordering them to monasteries where they'd never again even see a minor.

Why not refer their behavior to the criminal justice system?

 

[Kulindahr]

Why not refer their behavior to the criminal justice system?

I'm thinking of when they were trying to handle it "in house".

 

[opinterph]

I'm thinking of when they were trying to handle it "in house".

I'd say that solution turned out to be rather "mythical."

 

[Kulindahr]

I'd say that solution turned out to be rather "mythical."

It wouldn't have if they'd sent them all off to monasteries.

 

[cocksucker4use]

If we would serve Christ, and be annointed to shepherd His flock, we should not need the counsel of psychiatrists when we learn that even our own brother is hurting His children. Our hearts, even when our minds betray us, should tell us what is right, and to protect the victim and to expose the perpetrater to whatever punishment the law provides, and prevent more victims. The Church can not reconcile its ideals with its actions here. Moreover, waiting to have the pedophile "cured" implies that we already know that children have been forced to have sex with their Priest. Pedophiles are often without insight into the wrongness of their deeds and have no remorse. They have no moral compass in this regard, not unlike the Church hierarchy who protected them.

 

[HoodedRat]

Monasteries would have been ideal

Prison would have been even better.

each priests sent there would have had the chance to offer private Masses for their sins, and their victims to their last days.

Each priest sent there would have had the chance to reflect upon the lives of those they had destroyed by their evil actions.

 

[Jacquemar]

Yet again, the Catholic church trying to make itself appear the victim and blaming a minority group for their own morbid failings.

 

[Kulindahr]

Prison would have been even better.

Each priest sent there would have had the chance to reflect upon the lives of those they had destroyed by their evil actions.

In prison? Hardly!


In a prison, people get to make a lot of their own decisions -- in a monastery, hardly any.

In a prison, people get opportunities for social contact -- in a monastery, hardly any.

In a prison, people can get drugs and other entertaining things -- in a monastery, not likely.

 

[HoodedRat]

In a prison, people get to make a lot of their own decisions -- in a monastery, hardly any.

In a prison, people get opportunities for social contact -- in a monastery, hardly any.

In a prison, people can get drugs and other entertaining things -- in a monastery, not likely.

I am now convinced that we should send all criminals to monasteries in future.

 

[Kulindahr]

I am now convinced that we should send all criminals to monasteries in future.

It would be a far sight better than the current situation of sending them to Crime University. I know a guy who went to prison a sort of casual burglar, who came out knowing the ins and outs of so many types of crime I didn't half know what he was talking about with some of them. So, he went back to prison because he decided to try some of his new learning. Then there''s one I met who is now running a gang with drug sales and "enforcement" and other activities, who the police can't catch, thanks to the skills he learned in prison. So prison turns minor criminals into major ones, and crappy criminals into skilled ones. I wouldn't be surprised if in the long run, prisons increase crime.

 

[Jacquemar]

All things considered, living, working and praying in a Strict traditional Monastic setting can be very difficult for anyone not called to that way of life, therefore the key reason that it is Ideal for wayward Priests...the life can, in many ways feel like a Prison.

But it's best to put them in a real prison where a big guy named Bubba can have his way with them the way they had their way with innocent children.

 

[bankside]

What about prison, since that is the legal obligation instead of covering it up and engaging in a marketing campaign to discredit the victims, and THEN monastery when they get out.

 

[HoodedRat]

What about prison, since that is the legal obligation instead of covering it up and engaging in a marketing campaign to discredit the victims, and THEN monastery when they get out.

That would be the best solution both legally and morally. Unfortunately the Catholic church has shown time after time how little it knows of basic human morality. Also it appears that, at least where the paedo-priest issue is concerned, it cares nothing for the law either.

 

[Kulindahr]

What about prison, since that is the legal obligation instead of covering it up and engaging in a marketing campaign to discredit the victims, and THEN monastery when they get out.

Or just hire monasteries to take them, since in prison they get special protection, which costs the taxpayers more? It's a LOT cheaper to put them in a monastery!

 

[Kulindahr]

That would be the best solution both legally and morally. Unfortunately the Catholic church has shown time after time how little it knows of basic human morality. Also it appears that, at least where the paedo-priest issue is concerned, it cares nothing for the law either.

This is why they came up with the false division between teaching by word and teaching by action. According to Rome, only the first counts as doctrine -- so all the pedophile popes with mistresses and some of whom got their own sons into the papal chair don't count as false teachers even though they exhibited all the sins St. Paul says disqualify people from heaven. That way they can keep calling him "Your Holiness" even though he's actually about as holy as the mold growing on a dog dropping in the weeds.