$100 could cost her the family business

[blackbeltninja]

Hmmm - tough one. I see everyone's viewpoints in here, but I believe the woman was caught between a rock and a hard place and played the numbers.

She was damned (by us) if she did, and damned (by them) if she didn't.

Either way, there is a lot of anti-Mormon sentiment buzzing around here at the moment, which I am not all that keen on. Whether or not what they did is right is not the point; if a likewise amount of contempt was rained down on Jews or Muslims, basically attacking their beliefs - which is what we're doing, near as I can tell - all hell would break loose.

-d-

 

[operafan]

My only regret is that I don't live in the area and have been a steady patron in the past so I could tell Marjorie -- you made your choice to vote to discriminate and I can make a choice to never spend another dime in this place again. There are consequences.

 

[Piquechampion]

Hmmm - tough one. I see everyone's viewpoints in here, but I believe the woman was caught between a rock and a hard place and played the numbers.

She was damned (by us) if she did, and damned (by them) if she didn't.

Either way, there is a lot of anti-Mormon sentiment buzzing around here at the moment, which I am not all that keen on. Whether or not what they did is right is not the point; if a likewise amount of contempt was rained down on Jews or Muslims, basically attacking their beliefs - which is what we're doing, near as I can tell - all hell would break loose.

-d-

Says the bisexual who wants to marry a woman

 

[blackbeltninja]

^Fuck off, Lugus. That has nothing to do with anything. If you don't have anything useful to add, pipe down okay? Thanks.

As for you other guys, if you were to substitute Jew for Mormon, would it smack of anti-Semitism to a Jew? I know from being here in .za that the line between hate-speech and simply disagreeing with someone is often too fine to be clearly seen, and is very easily crossed.

That's all I'm saying - this fervour from some quarters in here is bordering on dangerous.

-d-

 

[G-Lexington]

How come the place isn't crowded with Mormons showing their support of her doing the right thing?

Lex

 

[blackbeltninja]

And I've gotta say...it really irritates me that you are so concerned about how they are being treated when you seem to have ignored their instigating homophobia.

This is not a matter of an eye for an eye...this is a matter of our community standing up for itself and addressing those against us. The person in the OP is not being boycotted because she is a Mormon...it's because she worked against our community.

My intention is not to irritate; not at all.

I just want to make sure we don't get carried away in a wave of emotion and end up being as bigoted as the people we are trying to condemn. Two negatives only make a positive in maths, not something like this. It is all too easy for something like this to descend into chaos and that won't achieve anything.

As long as we don't cross the line into hate speech and unnecessary or unfair persecution - I'm sure you'll agree that each of them deserves to be judged case by case on his/her own merit, just like us, and I take your point about the subject of the OP - I'm with you until the last dog dies.

-d-

 

[Kurn]

The issue the gay community has with the Mormons is their involvement in taking away a right we had been given. .

. . . a right recently clarified.

C l a r i f i c a t i o n:
In America, rights aren't given, they are what are found to be inherent human potentials.

No, this isn't a minor point; it's a biggie.

 

[GL]

The Mormons, it's been shown, have had an eleven year long plan to do this to us. They've made deals with their own enemies like the Catholic church to take away our rights and now they're playing the poor wounded bird. "Oh.. how could they do this to us? It's not fair... we just don't think they're deserving of equal rights... we love them... we want to help them... they're sick people... we did this FOR them... how could they put me on a hit list?"

What I really love is how they're now all calling in to radio shows or posting on boards with all sorts of other unrelated whining... "You know... until 1976, we were under an extermination order... what do you think of that?" "you don't know anything about Mormons... we were PERSECUTED!!!" "You people are all PERSECUTING US FOR OUR BELIEFS that you are beneath us!!"

this is the thing that pisses me off to no living end... the fact that they are attempting to reinvent themselves in this fracas as "The Victim."

Fuck.

Them.

All.

agreed. 100%.

 

[GL]

^ well, we'll give them points for the inspiration and the attempt.

 

[KennyD]

I cannot feel any compassion or sorrow for her ...

She is an ADULT and has free Will .

It does not matter IF her church demanded her to donate or NOT ... SHE is the one who ultimately wrote the check ....

By writting that check and making that donation; she has slapped every gay person who ever entered the establishment right in tthe face .....

I hope that Each and Every gay person in the area learns of her deciet and quits patronizing the establishment .....

The business needs to go belly up ... maybe other businesses will learn that if you accept out $$$$ during business hours ; don't go using them against us behind our backs .....

 

[mike_n_herrin]

Everyone has a right to their opinion. Everyone has a right to their religious beliefs. However, people have to realize that every action has a consequence. People not patronizing this business is a consequence of the owner giving money to yes on 8. i'm sorry she's upset about it. we're all upset about it. However, she has made her choice and now will have to deal with the consequences.

 

[GL]

Everyone has a right to their opinion. Everyone has a right to their religious beliefs. However, people have to realize that every action has a consequence. People not patronizing this business is a consequence of the owner giving money to yes on 8. i'm sorry she's upset about it. we're all upset about it. However, she has made her choice and now will have to deal with the consequences.

newton's third law of motion: [FONT=helvetica,geneva,arial]For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.[/FONT]

 

[rareboy]

I know she’s terribly hurt.

Well fuck her too.

Now she knows how it feels to hurt.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

Hmm, if the food is good, I'd still eat there. There's a lot of people who don't agree with gay marriage, and that's their prerogative. I'm not going to stop going to a place I like just because their beliefs aren't in sync with mine. A lot of my friends don't agree with gay marriage, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop hanging out with them. They're still good people. I donate to causes that people may not agree with. So? That's my business. If you want to go out of your way to boycott places that don't have the same belief system you do, then fine. But criticizing a person for exercizing their right to their beliefs, is immature, and it's not going to solve a thing.
I've gotten told in threads that I seem to be against democracy. Well, people voted to ban gay marriage. That's democracy. Why is it not okay now that the shoe is on the other foot?
Discrimination? I don't think so. But are you discriminating against someone and their business because they don't think the same way you do? Yes.
Boycotting this, in my opinion, is childish. You're forcing your beliefs on someone. And for people who get irritated that others force their beliefs on you, what exactly are you accomplishing here? Just don't go there. No need to go protest or stand in front of their business. She'd do right by calling the law on everyone there.

 

[BlueLantern]

Not all Catholics blindly follow the Pope on every issue. Perhaps it's because the Catholic church is a community of faith as opposed to a cult!

of course they would never try that...

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

Well, they have a right to spend their money on whatever they choose, just as I have a right to just not eat there. But, like I said, if the food is good, then I'd have no issues eating there.

 

[drhladnjak]

Because Exxon Mobil refuses to reinstate Mobil's policy of not discriminating against gay employees, I choose to spend my money at other gas stations. It's my right to spend my money how I want to and I'm not forcing anybody to accept my beliefs.

Every individual has a right to choose where to spend his or her money. Doing so has nothing to do with forcing beliefs on anybody.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

Because Exxon Mobil refuses to reinstate Mobil's policy of not discriminating against gay employees, I choose to spend my money at other gas stations. It's my right to spend my money how I want to and I'm not forcing anybody to accept my beliefs.

Every individual has a right to choose where to spend his or her money. Doing so has nothing to do with forcing beliefs on anybody.

You're forcing it when you're at the business boycotting it, and protesting, getting in the way of those who want to eat there undisturbed. People are showing their immaturity by forcing their opinion on business owner who doesn't think the same way, so you're damaging their business. Just DON'T EAT THERE. No need to interrupt others' meals because YOU have a problem with them.

And you would be helping to fund the very people that seek to take your rights away from you. Oh yeah...and ME. You might as well cut out the middle man and send them a donation.

I don't see marriage as a "right." I see it as a union created by religion. Therefore, I never plan on getting "married."

 

[wooster]

You're forcing it when you're at the business boycotting it, and protesting, getting in the way of those who want to eat there undisturbed. People are showing their immaturity by forcing their opinion on business owner who doesn't think the same way, so you're damaging their business. Just DON'T EAT THERE. No need to interrupt others' meals because YOU have a problem with them.



I don't see marriage as a "right." I see it as a union created by religion. Therefore, I never plan on getting "married."

Beliefs may be forced by attempt but they are never accepted without invitation. By protesting, the message is extended to a much larger populus opposed to solitary action. If it disturbs others, then so be it. Let it accentuate their opiated lives. Let them be exposed to the effects of the measure. (The perception of)Maturity in action is not necessarily right or wrong as righteousness is relative. Sure, protesting will piss some off. But fuck them. Fuck the owners. Fuck the employees. And with that last line, I'm sure to have upset the moralistic sensibilities of many. "Would you want to lose YOUR job over the actions of another" they'll protest. And to that I'll only quote Liber Al vel Legis: "Compassion is the vice of kings".

And I must say that your second paragraph is particularly absurd. YOU don't see it as a right? In its purest form is marriage not a bond of love absent of religion? Sure, this romantization is widely diluted nowadays, but if it is a right of one group of people should not it be the right of another if they choose? To say no to this is in direct contrast to the pure definition of marriage and is clearly indicitive of a group(religion) promoting their own agenda. If YOU never plan on getting married, thats great as it is your choice. But there are people who feel the need to get married willfully and are unable to do so due to the factions involved. This is not only the yes on 8 supporters, but the voters themselves of course! The programmers and the programmed.

Action is needed. To place moralistic constraints upon these actions is weakness. Fight for fighting's sake fearless of the consequence. Make bangs and make words. Both are necessary.