100 years ago today

[BreakTheIce]

It's now officially been a 100 years to one of the worst peacetime maritime disasters ever. I'm talking about April 14/15 1912 when (at that time) the world's largest ship had a fatal encounter with an Iceberg on her maiden voyage to New York and sunk into the sea. Yes, you guessed it, I'm talking about Titanic. She is by far the most famous ship in history. And even 100 years after her sinking, she continues to be a tropic of great fascination to many.

Nobody quite knows why the Titanic is so famous. Perhaps it was because, at the time, she was by far the most luxurious ship in the world, and was carrying some of the richest people on Earth from Europe to New York, and sunk on her very first voyage. Many people thought it was impossible for her to be sunk. This was partially true. Titanic had 16 water tight compartments below the sea level. She was built so that if the first 4 were filled with water, she could still stay afloat.

However, later at night on April 14, 1912, Titanic took a glancing blow to her side from an Iceberg, which tore open 5 of her 16 water tight compartments. This doomed Titanic. Her encounter with the Iceberg was very unfortunate, especially now when experts analyze the whole event.

Many people don't understand why the crew controlling Titanic tried to get her to avoid the Iceberg, and not just gently run into it, directly. Titanic was designed to withstand direct hits from an Iceberg or other ships. Though it might be human nature to try an avoid an obstacle, people now do think that just running into the Iceberg wouldn't have been a bad idea.

Another theory that people now believe is that if Titanic was turned at her going speed when the Iceberg was spotted, it could have been dodged by a few feet. She was put into reverse to maneuver around the Iceberg. Her central turbine however could not be put in reverse, so it was just simply stopped. This made her rudders much less effective.

Her clash with the Iceberg started what would be one of the worst nights in memory for the survivors, and the last few hours of the lives of the victims. Titanic did not carry enough life boats to hold all her passengers. What's worse is that many of her lifeboats were launched without even being fully loaded with people. Over 1500 people died 2 hours and 40 minutes after her fatal encounter with the Iceberg.

Many people now believe that even if she had enough lifeboat capacity to hold all her people, they all couldn't have been saved. There was way too much chaos and confusion on board to assume that 2 hours and 40 minutes would be enough to safely evacuate everyone.

Although she sank on 1912, her wreckage wasn't discovered by man until September 1, 1985. Over the years, many people have gone down there and have retrieved many artifacts from around her debris field.

I'm not sure if I agree with people going down there and taking stuff out and bringing it to museums. Sometimes I think it's great to preserve some of her for future generations to see. But sometimes I just feel that her wreck is actually a graveyard for over a thousand people. Should we really be disturbing it? Seems disrespectful to those who lost their lives that night.

There aren't any bodies in the Titanic's wreck anymore. Scientists believe they must've been completely devoured by 40 years after her sinking. All that's left of the people are their leather boots, which the critters on the ocean floor do not eat. However, on occasion, parts of human bodies have been retrieved. A finger bone encircled by the partial remains of a wedding ring was found concreted to the bottom of a soup tureen that was retrieved from the debris field in 2001. It was returned on the next dive.

Today, mother nature is quickly working at eating away what's left of Titanic. It is predicted that within the next 50 years or so, the entire ship will collapse to the ocean floor and will just be a pile of rusticles intermingled with the ship's more durable interior fittings.

I'm making this topic to remind everyone who died and survived (all survivors have passed away by the way) that, 100 years later, you are not forgotten. I remember you, and I'm sure many other people remember you too.

 

[MJEH89]

...and just think, in 2097 we can celebrate the 100th anniversary of the disaster known as "My Heart Will Go On" by Celine Dion...

 

[doctorsun]

By the way, the bodies that washed ashore from the Titanic came in at Halifax, and are buried there.

No bodies washed ashore. The sinking was close to 400 miles away from Nova Scotia. The bodies that are buried in Halifax were recovered by the cable ship, Mackay-Bennett, which was contracted by White Star. The ship recovered 306 bodies, the most famous of which being that of John Jacob Astor, which was found badly crushed and covered in soot, suggesting he was killed by the collapse of the first funnel.

 

[T-Rexx]

Many people don't understand why the crew controlling Titanic tried to get her to avoid the Iceberg, and not just gently run into it, directly. Titanic was designed to withstand direct hits from an Iceberg or other ships. Though it might be human nature to try an avoid an obstacle, people now do think that just running into the Iceberg wouldn't have been a bad idea.

Ramming the iceberg head on would have been a very irresponsible thing to do. At 45,000 tons and travelling 20.5 knots at the time, the ship's inertia would have caused massive damage to the bow. Although the ship would not likely have sunk, many people would have been killed by such a collision. The crew was obligated to try and save everyone (and the ship) by steering around it.

Another theory that people now believe is that if Titanic was turned at her going speed when the Iceberg was spotted, it could have been dodged by a few feet. She was put into reverse to maneuver around the Iceberg. Her central turbine however could not be put in reverse, so it was just simply stopped. This made her rudders much less effective.

Yes. Some people think that if Murdoch had done nothing but put the helm hard over to port the ship might have made it safely around the iceberg. The cavitation around the rudder caused by suddenly reversing the propellers makes the rudder ineffective as a steering device. That may be why Frederick Fleet in the crow's nest thought it took an abnormally long time for the ship to start turning.

Titanic did not carry enough life boats to hold all her passengers. What's worse is that many of her lifeboats were launched without even being fully loaded with people. Over 1500 people died 2 hours and 40 minutes after her fatal encounter with the Iceberg.

Many people now believe that even if she had enough lifeboat capacity to hold all her people, they all couldn't have been saved. There was way too much chaos and confusion on board to assume that 2 hours and 40 minutes would be enough to safely evacuate everyone.

One thing that is never mentioned by anyone is the reason why the Titantic did not carry enough lifeboats. Yes, she met the maritime regulations of the time, but those regulations were written with the expectation that no ship would ever sink so fast that other ships could not be able to get to her in time to assist with evacuation of the passengers. Large ships of the late nineteenth century and later typically took days to go down after some catastrophe struck. The lifeboats were intended to ferry passengers from a sinking ship to a rescue vessel. Then, the boats were to return to the sinking ship to pick up more passengers. It was expected that one lifeboat would be used several times during an evacuation, and also that the lifeboats on the rescue vessels would also be used. It was considered highly, highly unlikely that any sinking would require that everyone on board a ship all be in the boats at the same time.

I'm making this topic to remind everyone who died and survived (all survivors have passed away by the way) that, 100 years later, you are not forgotten. I remember you, and I'm sure many other people remember you too.

Thank you for a very nice topic/thread.

 

[T-Rexx]

One program showed an iceberg and said that was the iceberg that hit the Titanic. Yeah, right.

Actually, that was probably real. Several photographs of the iceberg that sank the Titantic were made from the German liner Frankfurt on the day of the sinking. The Frankfurt was speeding to the scene to assist with the rescue, but was too far away to get there in time. The iceberg was still at the scene after the Frankfurt arrived, however, and was identifiable because it was smeared with red paint along the waterline. The Titantic was black, but was painted red from the waterline down.

 

[pat grimshaw]

The BBC doco says the failure was due to many factors
1. human error
2. the rivets holding the steel plates together were made of a substandard wrought iron rather than steel

 

[Corny]

Oh no you stole JayQueer's thunder!

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

It's now officially been a 100 years to one of the worst peacetime maritime disasters ever. I'm talking about April 14/15 1912 when (at that time) the world's largest ship had a fatal encounter with an Iceberg on her maiden voyage to New York and sunk into the sea. Yes, you guessed it, I'm talking about Titanic. She is by far the most famous ship in history. And even 100 years after her sinking, she continues to be a tropic of great fascination to many.

Nobody quite knows why the Titanic is so famous. Perhaps it was because, at the time, she was by far the most luxurious ship in the world, and was carrying some of the richest people on Earth from Europe to New York, and sunk on her very first voyage. Many people thought it was impossible for her to be sunk. This was partially true. Titanic had 16 water tight compartments below the sea level. She was built so that if the first 4 were filled with water, she could still stay afloat.

However, later at night on April 14, 1912, Titanic took a glancing blow to her side from an Iceberg, which tore open 5 of her 16 water tight compartments. This doomed Titanic. Her encounter with the Iceberg was very unfortunate, especially now when experts analyze the whole event.

Many people don't understand why the crew controlling Titanic tried to get her to avoid the Iceberg, and not just gently run into it, directly. Titanic was designed to withstand direct hits from an Iceberg or other ships. Though it might be human nature to try an avoid an obstacle, people now do think that just running into the Iceberg wouldn't have been a bad idea.

Another theory that people now believe is that if Titanic was turned at her going speed when the Iceberg was spotted, it could have been dodged by a few feet. She was put into reverse to maneuver around the Iceberg. Her central turbine however could not be put in reverse, so it was just simply stopped. This made her rudders much less effective.

Her clash with the Iceberg started what would be one of the worst nights in memory for the survivors, and the last few hours of the lives of the victims. Titanic did not carry enough life boats to hold all her passengers. What's worse is that many of her lifeboats were launched without even being fully loaded with people. Over 1500 people died 2 hours and 40 minutes after her fatal encounter with the Iceberg.

Many people now believe that even if she had enough lifeboat capacity to hold all her people, they all couldn't have been saved. There was way too much chaos and confusion on board to assume that 2 hours and 40 minutes would be enough to safely evacuate everyone.

Although she sank on 1912, her wreckage wasn't discovered by man until September 1, 1985. Over the years, many people have gone down there and have retrieved many artifacts from around her debris field.

I'm not sure if I agree with people going down there and taking stuff out and bringing it to museums. Sometimes I think it's great to preserve some of her for future generations to see. But sometimes I just feel that her wreck is actually a graveyard for over a thousand people. Should we really be disturbing it? Seems disrespectful to those who lost their lives that night.

There aren't any bodies in the Titanic's wreck anymore. Scientists believe they must've been completely devoured by 40 years after her sinking. All that's left of the people are their leather boots, which the critters on the ocean floor do not eat. However, on occasion, parts of human bodies have been retrieved. A finger bone encircled by the partial remains of a wedding ring was found concreted to the bottom of a soup tureen that was retrieved from the debris field in 2001. It was returned on the next dive.

Today, mother nature is quickly working at eating away what's left of Titanic. It is predicted that within the next 50 years or so, the entire ship will collapse to the ocean floor and will just be a pile of rusticles intermingled with the ship's more durable interior fittings.

I'm making this topic to remind everyone who died and survived (all survivors have passed away by the way) that, 100 years later, you are not forgotten. I remember you, and I'm sure many other people remember you too.

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[unloadonme]

Oh no you stole JayQueer's thunder!

JayQueer will have to wait until 7 May 2015 when he can start a thread about the centenary of the sinking of RMS Lusitania when 1,198 people were killed.

RMS Lusitania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[pat grimshaw]

…"Women and children first" my ass. It was more like "privilege and worth" first…

It was more like cash first. Those who paid for a first-class ticket were given priority over those who paid less for a low-priority ticket.

 

[doctorsun]

Thanks for the update. The documentary I saw interviewed Halifaxers who had survived the explosion, and I think the lady may have said "bodies brought ashore from the Titanic" now that you mention it.

What a strange convergence of disasters in a single place.

The one thing that stands out to me from the Titanic, is the virtual murder of the steerage passengers. "Women and children first" my ass. It was more like "privilege and worth" first. Ladies and children of rank were preserved, while third class were barred from the decks.

My, how I do not miss the Victorians (Edwardians).

The idea of the steerage passengers being locked in has largely been overblown by history. Yes, there were locked gates separating portions of the ship from third class, but all classes had free access to the boat deck. The disproportionate loss of life in third class was more likely due to the confusion below deck and many steerage passengers simply not knowing where to go. By the time many of them reached the boat deck, it was too late.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

The idea of the steerage passengers being locked in has largely been overblown by history. Yes, there were locked gates separating portions of the ship from third class, but all classes had free access to the boat deck. The disproportionate loss of life in third class was more likely due to the confusion below deck and many steerage passengers simply not knowing where to go. By the time many of them reached the boat deck, it was too late.

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[kallipolis]

The idea of the steerage passengers being locked in has largely been overblown by history. Yes, there were locked gates separating portions of the ship from third class, but all classes had free access to the boat deck. The disproportionate loss of life in third class was more likely due to the confusion below deck and many steerage passengers simply not knowing where to go. By the time many of them reached the boat deck, it was too late.

This is an accurate view for the myth that only first class passengers were granted privileged access to the life boats was born out of German propaganda during both the first, and second world wars which identified the indifference of the ship's crew to the rights of all the passengers. Most of the ship's crew were also members of the working class and would have accorded the same assistance to people no matter their social status. The ship's master, Captain Smith chose to remain with his ship as his duty demanded.

 

[kallipolis]

There are several other more tragic maritime disasters of the 20th century, one of which was the sinking by a Soviet submarine of a German passenger ship in 1945, Wilhelm Gustloff when fleeing Gdynia, Poland (then, Gotenhafen) with the loss of some 6000 lives mainly German civilians, and wounded German soldiers fleeing the rapidly advancing Soviet Army.

 

[unloadonme]

This is starting to look like a CE&P thread!

In the city where I grew up, there's a statue of Captain Smith of the Titanic in the park.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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[kallipolis]

I'm not known as hardup for no reason.

Still believe it was a systemic deference to persons of wealth.

There wasn't any system to help the 3rd class passengers because they weren't a priority.

I saw the Titanic exhibit at Cook Convention Center some 20 years ago, or so, in Memphis. The long, long list of grayed-out names from steerage is the most powerful thing I saw. There were so few survivors highlighted amongst them, they could have been floaters. It was appalling, and an indictment of their treatment. Right or wrong, I will defend them, as the evidence suggests they did not receive their due at the time.

Your opinion flies in the face of reason, and perhaps is over influenced by Hollywood attempts to hype the class differences on board Titanic nevertheless, it would have been much more work for the ship's crew to deny the third class passengers access to the life boats, than to assist them into the lifeboats. Further, many highly privileged people with first class tickets lost their lives. How does one explain this if we are to accept your claims at face value?

Myths perpetrated in propaganda in war time by the Germans in defence of their sinking of Lusitania have a habit of taking on a life of their own.

 

[pat grimshaw]

[OFF-TOPIC]

…I do not miss the Victorians (Edwardians).

I know there were 'Georgian Poets' and that some Englishmen in the '50s referred to themselves as 'New Elizabethans'. I wonder if future historians will describe us as 'Obamans'?

 

[unloadonme]

[OFF-TOPIC]

I know there were 'Georgian Poets' and that some Englishmen in the '50s referred to themselves as 'New Elizabethans'. I wonder if future historians will describe us as 'Obamans'?

But you're an Aussie. A Guillemot maybe.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^
Yes I was being tongue-in-cheek.

Unfortunately, Australia's current PM is an untrustworthy, long-nosed, lieing female hound who hates homosexuals. And I hope the woman will be despatched in 16 months time.