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14 U.S. Soldiers Killed in Iraq Copter Crash

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Another sad turn in this mess of a war. Notice that the military is officially reporting that the crash is not caused by an attack. Of course we all know they wouldn't admit that the surge was failing and that troops were still the victims of insurgent attacks in Iraq. I expect, as they have done before, that they will come back a couple of days later when no one is paying attention and say that they were wrong. But even if it wasn't an insurgent attack, a mechanical failure doesn't exactly reflect well on the Pentagon. Our troops are either subjected to insurgent attacks or faulty equipment. At least the former, in the eyes of military officials, doesn't reflect poorly on the "surge." Both, however, reflect poorly on this Administration.

Iraq helicopter crash kills 14 U.S. soldiers

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Fourteen U.S. soldiers died Wednesday when their helicopter crashed in northern Iraq, the U.S. military said.

Separately, at least 37 people were killed and 81 wounded when a suicide car bomb detonated outside a police building in the Iraqi town of Baiji, north of Baghdad, in Salaheddin province, police said.

Also Wednesday, a U.S. soldier was killed and three others wounded in combat west of Baghdad, the military said.

The helicopter crash was apparently not the result of an attack, the military said.

The crash occurred near Kirkuk, according to a U.S. military intelligence source.

"Two UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters were on a night operation when one of the aircraft crashed," the military said.

"Initial indications are that the aircraft experienced a mechanical malfunction. There were no indications of hostile fire."

The dead were all members of the Army's Task Force Lightning and included four Black Hawk crew members and 10 passengers. The task force typically operates in the Tikrit area, north of Baghdad.

The military has launched an investigation into the crash, the deadliest since January 2005, when a helicopter went down in western Iraq and killed 31 Marines. Since the start of the war, 3,715 U.S. troops have died in Iraq; seven civilian contractors also have been killed.

There have been a string of helicopter downings in Iraq this year. In January, 12 U.S. soldiers were killed when a U.S. helicopter went down northeast of Baghdad.

The Brookings Institution's Iraq Index, a regularly updated compilation of facts about the war, said in its latest update Monday before this crash that 67 American military helicopters have gone down since May 2003 and that enemy fire had downed at least 36.

Meanwhile, police in Baiji said an explosives-packed truck drove into the police directorate's compound in the center of town and detonated.

A number of homes in the compound were destroyed. The police building was badly damaged, and 15 vehicles were destroyed.

On the political front, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki responded to U.S. criticism of his government, calling such comments irresponsible and saying they "overstep the bounds of diplomatic and political courtesy."

President Bush and the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, on Tuesday expressed frustration with an ineffective Iraqi political process dominated by constant governmental squabbling.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Michigan, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, on Monday called on Iraq's parliament to turn al-Maliki's "nonfunctioning" government out of office when it returns in two weeks. He said al-Maliki's government was "too beholden to religious and sectarian leaders" to reach a political settlement that would end the country's sectarian and insurgent violence.

"Everyone knows that the Iraqi government is one elected by the Iraqi people, and no one puts timetables or restrictions other than the Iraqi people who elected the government," al-Maliki said Wednesday during a visit to Syria's capital, Damascus. Government spokesman Ali Dabbagh said al-Maliki was specifically referring to Levin's comments.

White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe on Wednesday said media reports had overblown differences between the Bush administration and al-Maliki. Johndroe said al-Maliki is Iraq's elected prime minister and the Iraqi government is working to achieve political reconciliation.
 
My heart goes out to them and their families....:(
 
a thousand deaths are not enough for george W Bush
 
Rejoice, and be glad! This is simply more proof that the surge is working and that Bush loves the troops. #-o

Ummm ??? Lance were you in K.C. with your boss ? I think she is moveing to the center,AGAIN, Along w/ many others.
Hillary Implies Support of Surge

by HeartlandLiberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 05:29:09 AM PDT

No, she does not use those exact words. Here is what she is quoted as saying to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Kansas City, Missouri.
I am posting this, because although I have searched DailyKos for past 30 minutes off and on, I have seen no diary or front page story on these remarks by Hillary Clinton. Why is that, by the way? Hard to understand no one would have posted this yet.
Hillary Clinton:
"That begins with ensuring that America does have the world's strongest and smartest military force. We've begun to change tactics in Iraq, and in some areas, particularly in Al Anbar province, it's working."
"We're just years too late changing our tactics. We can't ever let that happen again. We can't be fighting the last war. We have to be preparing to fight the new war."

Please note the posting source. Daily Kos.
 
On the local news tonite, one of the young men was from Rockport, Tx, just down the road from us.
Prayers out to all of their families.
 
Ummm ??? Lance were you in K.C. with your boss ? I think she is moveing to the center,AGAIN, Along w/ many others.


Please note the posting source. Daily Kos.

She has been misrepresented and misquoted in most major newspapers and networks about this statement.

Let's see what the non-partisan group Media Matters for America says:

MSNBC, NY Post, Drudge falsely claimed Clinton said "surge" is "working"

Summary: In articles on Sen. Hillary Clinton's speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, several media outlets reported that Clinton said the Bush administration's so-called "surge" policy is "working." Clinton actually said: "We've begun to change tactics in Iraq, and in some areas -- particularly in Al Anbar Province -- it's working. We're just years too late changing our tactics."

During an August 20 speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) said, according to The New York Times in an August 21 article, "We've begun to change tactics in Iraq, and in some areas, particularly in Al Anbar Province, it's working. ... We're just years too late changing our tactics. We can't ever let that happen again." The Times also reported that "[a]ides to Mrs. Clinton said her remarks that military tactics in Iraq are 'working' referred specifically to reports of increased cooperation from Sunnis leading to greater success against insurgents in Al Anbar Province." Several other media outlets, however, have claimed that Clinton said the Bush administration's so-called "surge" policy is "working":

  • During an August 21 report on Democrats' positions on Iraq, an MSNBC Live on-air graphic read: "Hillary Clinton: Surge is Working, But Years Too Late For Change" --even though the video clip of Clinton MSNBC aired during the segment itself showed her saying: "We've begun to change tactics in Iraq, and in some places -- particularly in Al Anbar Province -- it's working."
  • In an August 21 article -- headlined, "Iraq Surge Working, But Too Late: Hillary Clinton" -- the New York Post reported: " 'It's working. We're just years too late in our tactics,' [Clinton] said, referring to the beefed-up U.S. troop presence battling insurgents in Iraq, including war-torn Anbar province." The Post further asserted that "Clinton's positive assessment of the troop surge puts her in agreement with some high-ranking military officials and scholars, but in direct opposition to many fellow Democrats." But Clinton did not give a "positive assessment of the troop surge," and her statement was not in reference to "Iraq, including the war-torn Anbar province"; rather, she cited Al Anbar as one place where the "change [of] tactics" has brought positive results.
  • On August 21, a banner headline on the Drudge Report read: "Hillary on Surge? 'It's Working' ..."
  • A headline on the website JustHillary.com read: "At veterans' convention, HRC says surge working but bring troops home..."
  • The Associated Press paraphrased Clinton's statement in an August 21 report on her speech, reporting: "New military tactics in Iraq are working but the best way to honor U.S. soldiers is 'by beginning to bring them home,' Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton told war veterans Monday." Clinton, however, did not refer specifically to the "surge" policy, and the AP story cropped Clinton's quote to suggest that she was speaking more broadly.
  • On August 21, The Washington Times reported: " 'It's working,' Mrs. Clinton said of the troop surge yesterday in a speech at the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention in Kansas City, Mo., a group at odds with her votes for a pullout and against emergency troop funding."
  • As Tim Grieve noted on Salon's War Room blog, even The New York Times, which, as Grieve wrote, "quotes Clinton more fairly than the Washington Times does" reported that Clinton's remarks were "notable because Mrs. Clinton has been a consistent critic of the Bush administration's troop escalation in Iraq, and Republican presidential candidates have been seizing on signs of progress in Al Anbar Province in arguing against a troop withdrawal."

The media is trying to make it look like the Democrats are buying Bush's surge when, in fact, they aren't. Hillary's speech is no different. As Tim Grieve writes:

The Washington Times checks in this morning with a headline that reads, “Democrats See ‘Results’ in Iraq.” The story bundles Levin’s comments with similar ones Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin made recently and with a speech New York Sen. Hillary Clinton made before the Veterans of Foreign Wars Monday. In the speech, Clinton said: “We’ve begun to change tactics in Iraq, and in some areas, particularly in Al Anbar province, it’s working.” How the Washington Times uses that sentence: “‘It’s working,’ Mrs. Clinton said of the troop surge.”

Clinton went on to say that the United States alone cannot “impose a military solution” on Iraq; that the Iraqis are not “ready to do what they have to do for themselves yet”; that it is “unacceptable for our troops to be caught in the crossfire of a sectarian civil war while the Iraqi government is on vacation”; that it’s “time the Iraqi government took responsibility for themselves and their country, because the American people and our American military cannot want freedom and stability for the Iraqis more than they want it for themselves”; and that the “best way” to honor the men and women who have served in Iraq is “by beginning to bring them home and making sure that when they come home that we have everything ready for them.”

The New York Times quotes Clinton more fairly than the Washington Times does, but it still says that her remarks about the “surge” were “notable because Mrs. Clinton has been a consistent critic of the Bush administration’s troop escalation in Iraq, and Republican presidential candidates have been seizing on signs of progress in Al Anbar Province in arguing against a troop withdrawal.”

A flip-flop from Clinton? That’s the implication. MSBNC says Clinton’s speech may “raise a few eyebrows,” and CQ Politics’ Craig Crawford explains why: “Speaking to a veterans group, Clinton undercut claims, including her own, that President George W. Bush’s troop buildup would not work.

The surge was meant to serve as a catalyst for political progress--because we all know that the solution in Iraq must be political. But we have yet to see any political progress--and with what we have seen out of Maliki, Iraq has gone backward politically.

This is much ado about nothing, for the media just misrepresented Hillary's statement.
 
Fuck Me, i read the Daily Kos one of the most left leading blogs Said she moved center. I did not even cite Talk Right.........
 
Fuck Me, i read the Daily Kos one of the most left leading blogs Said she moved center. I did not even cite Talk Right.........

Daily Kos isn't exactly friendly Hillary territory.
 
LOL Lance,,,,,pick and choose your own leftest sites as you wish. I guess the right slanted blogs can just go idle.
 
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