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On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

Just watched the News. All these demonstrators blocking trade routes in Canada, France and Brussels

My 84 year old Mother had an awful (??!!) suggestion. Spray them with the Virus, and they will soon learn whether it's a conspiracy or not....
 
Just watched the News. All these demonstrators blocking trade routes in Canada, France and Brussels

My 84 year old Mother had an awful (??!!) suggestion. Spray them with the Virus, and they will soon learn whether it's a conspiracy or not....

I heard similar suggestions about dart guns loaded with mRNA vaccines.... It's a sign of the general feeling that the majority is being held hostage by a minority of anti-science conspiracy-loving libertarians.

Other than the MAGA diehards and shameless Republicans, I know of no one who ended up pro-trucker from these protests, which is a shame because ~85% of the truckers had gotten their vaccines. What's the saying about "bad apples"? ;)
 
I'm sure Hitler would have approved of all of these pro biological warfare posts . . . . . . . before he had the lot of us hauled off to concentration camps, of course, he never had the chance to champion HIV/AIDS.
 
I'm sure Hitler would have approved of all of these pro biological warfare posts . . . . . . . before he had the lot of us hauled off to concentration camps, of course, he never had the chance to champion HIV/AIDS.

Hitler metaphors seldom work in practice. In the case of anti-vaxxers, the reason that it fails miserably is very simple: deaths.

Worldwide, there are 5,812,463 reported deaths from COVID-19- 919,255 in the US.

In the US, 676,619,725 doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered to 251,926,344 people. In that time, 57 people have developed severe clotting after receiving a J&J vaccine, 9 of whom died. There are about 310 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome syndrome. There have been 2,239 reported cases of myocarditis. The CDC has received reports of 12,304 people who died after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, although it's unclear how many were directly related to the vaccine (the vaccine reporting system is a public-reporting system, so anyone can submit a report).

If we were generous and said that all 12,304 deaths were related to the vaccine, that's a mortality of 0.0049%.

The mortality of COVID-19 is about 1.18% (and this ignores the 25% of COVID-19 patients who report long-hauler symptoms after they recover).

If I told you that in one war, 919,255 had died but in another war, 12,304 had died. Which one would be considered the "Holocaust"?
 
/\ Not at all to my point.

I'm sure you know that.
 
I know five people. A childhood friend and his husband, another friend, and two clients. I was a germaphobe long before the pandemic started, so I'm always aware of what I'm doing. I still try to regard the six foot rule whenever possible.

Yesterday I got on a bus at the first stop so it was empty. Soon after, some bleached blonde meatbag with her mask hanging off her nose got on and sat right behind me. She could have sat anywhere but she chose to sit behind me. I got up dramatically, huffing and grunting, and moved away from her.

The general consensus in my town seems to be that it's all over.
 
/\ Not at all to my point.

I'm sure you know that.
Still not a great analogy.

If you're looking for an apt analogy that is not hyperbole, look at something like Selective Service.
 
Like they say, "What doesn't kill you, mutates and tries again".

But yeah, let's all take off our masks because we're tired of them and expect the virus to leave us alone. I'm sure covid will go into "the endemic phase" just because covidiots want it to do so. :roll: end-sarcasm.

Again, those who are causing the problem are being allowed to control the narrative and set the agenda.

I am still wearing my mask.

As BA.2 subvariant of Omicron rises, lab studies point to signs of severity [CNN]

The BA.2 virus -- a subvariant of the Omicron coronavirus variant -- isn't just spreading faster than its distant cousin, it may also cause more severe disease and appears capable of thwarting some of the key weapons we have against Covid-19, new research suggests.

New lab experiments from Japan show that BA.2 may have features that make it as capable of causing serious illness as older variants of Covid-19, including Delta.
 
Here's a thought about the ongoing symptoms in many who survived the infection: the virus is re-writing people's DNA so their cells don't function right anymore.

(I stole that from some cheap science fiction.)
 
Every once in awhile i think it worth going back to the origins of this thread,

After all the months, I would note that I have been lucky (and careful) enough to avoid infection.

And I would like to say, without any expectation of response, that the windfall profits from Pfiizer and other corporations who have fattened their bottom line we have have seen as a result of COVID have just gone off in the form of a contribution to organizations that have done the most in caring for those affected.

If you have, in any way, accidentally or strategically benefited from the management of COVID, please consider contributing the largesse to those innocents most affected.
 
^^ I've donated covid relief funds I received from the government to local food pantries.
 
Like they say, "What doesn't kill you, mutates and tries again".
Well... it's true that organisms will mutate to battle the defenses of other organisms. That's why there is antibiotic resistance in bacteria.

But that's more of what is going on at an individual organism level. The general thing to keep in mind when it comes to the long-term strategy of organisms is that, in order to survive, they must reproduce. Diseases like Marburg and Ebola kill their victims in such large numbers, quickly and in gruesome fashion, so they're less likely to reproduce and spread.

It's the diseases, like HIV, with long asymptomatic contagious periods that are the most worrisome.


But yeah, let's all take off our masks because we're tired of them and expect the virus to leave us alone. I'm sure covid will go into "the endemic phase" just because covidiots want it to do so. :roll: end-sarcasm.

Again, those who are causing the problem are being allowed to control the narrative and set the agenda.

I am still wearing my mask.
I am sad to say that government and public health have done a terrible job of messaging about mitigation efforts.

From the beginning, the messaging should have been tied to something that people can understand- like the burden on hospitals or on sewage testing. Instead, it's been a jumble of constant vigilance. It would be so much simpler to have the local hospital say on local news outlets, "We had 100 people come through the ED yesterday and 20% of them were positive. It's time to cut back on indoor gatherings and everyone should wear a mask when they are indoors around crowds".

On the other side of that, while government mandates for masks have saved hundreds of thousands of people from getting sick, from being hospitalized at exorbitant costs, from having long-hauler symptoms and from possibly dying, the masks were mostly there because we didn't have other options.

Now, we do have options. The vaccines are very effective at keeping hospitalizations and deaths down. The vaccines also reduce the incidence of severe illness and long-hauler syndrome. High-filtration masks like N95s and KN95s, will help reduce infection if you're in a place like a crowded store or a doctor's office waiting room where you cannot socially distance.

Where the government is really making a mistake is making universal mask mandates in places that have low infection rates. They're also making the same mistake by lifting those mandates en masse.

Can a large State like California or NYC lift it's state-wide mandate? Yeah.

Does the State need to say, "Listen to your local authorities- they will tell you whether there's a high risk in your area"? Yeah.

Does the whole of government need to say, "We're not going to mandate masks but if you are in a high risk category or you want to lower your risk of infection, it's okay to wear a mask. If someone hassles you about it, we'll take care of that problem."? Yeah, especially in places like NYC, Boston and San Francisco that rely upon crowded mass-transportation.

In general, there is still too much focus on masks. Vaccines are much more effective. But if you want to also wear a mask, it's not going to hurt, either.
 
Announced that from next Tuesday, legal requirement for mask-wearing in hospitality, retail, public transport and schools will end

Mandatory becomes guidance interestingly, teenage school-goers lobbied for the right to wear masks if they become optional. It will be about a 60/40 split, with wearers the majority.

The Jocks want masks gone
 
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I'm sure Hitler would have approved of all of these pro biological warfare posts . . . . . . . before he had the lot of us hauled off to concentration camps, of course, he never had the chance to champion HIV/AIDS.

Reductio ad Hitlerum is usually a logical fallacy, and anyway, in the fight between real science and post-truth types, we all know whose side Hitler would have been on, and we all know which side is mostly likely to say the man "had some good points to make, actually."
 
By jocks, I meant the sport-playing students.

In many areas of the US, masks in gyms in the US disappeared after the first round of infections in 2020. When governors in several States issued orders that said that masks could not be mandated by local authorities and left it up to businesses to set their own policies, people at gyms just ignored the signs about masks and the staff at the gyms stopped enforcing the policies.

Oddly, there's not a lot of research about the efficacy of masks in gyms in preventing infection. There's a lot more research about whether masks interfere with performance, which is probably a sign of where the industry's focus is.
 
In many areas of the US, masks in gyms in the US disappeared after the first round of infections in 2020. When governors in several States issued orders that said that masks could not be mandated by local authorities and left it up to businesses to set their own policies, people at gyms just ignored the signs about masks and the staff at the gyms stopped enforcing the policies.

Oddly, there's not a lot of research about the efficacy of masks in gyms in preventing infection. There's a lot more research about whether masks interfere with performance, which is probably a sign of where the industry's focus is.

I am fairly certain me and my husband both got covid from the gym back in the summer of 2020. This guy was coughing horribly the entire hour and not covering his mouth and getting way too close to both of us in a very large and almost empty gym. At the time I had just started hearing about covid and didn't even consider that initially - I just thought he was a rude bastard spreading his germs.

I had a VERY STRONG DESIRE to punch him at the time.

I have belonged to a gym for most of my adult life but thanks to that and covid - never again. I now do my workouts at home. I think with all the sweating and moisture in the air in gyms it is a bad idea now to go to gyms.

I also would not be comfortable with a mask on in a gym due to exertion and the heavy breathing - and I wouldn't want to be around other people not wearing a mask in a closed space - still haven't been to an indoor restaurant and don't intend to go to one anytime soon.
 
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