On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[rareboy]

It shouldn't even bear repeating...but it obviously bears repeating.

“Antibiotics do not work against viruses, only bacteria.”

Apparently, at the highest levels, there is some confusion over what COVID 19 actually is.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nJ09nd7NYbkDoiXoj_qJOqzCcRo2uAGdhC_TJVgCM1XzA

Unfortunately, this nonsense filters down and too many people are getting the wrong end of the stick. And wondering why so many people aren't being saved by antibiotics.

 

[Telstra]

Are the sailors got type A Covid19 ?
Type A mean it is the first strain (original), type B came from type A, Type C came from type B ...

 

[KaraBulut]

Are the sailors got type A Covid19 ?
Type A mean it is the first strain (original), type B came from type A, Type C came from type B ...

The haven't released this amount of detail. From the press reports, the ship had docked in Vietnam prior to the outbreak, so it's been implied that they picked up the virus during onshore operations in Asia.

 

[KaraBulut]

While researching the USS TR incident, I ran across an interesting article from this weekend's NYT Magazine. Unfortunately, it requires a subscription, but here's some interesting excerpts from the article:

How an Island Oasis Became the Navy’s Coronavirus Epicenter [New York Times Magazine]

On March 14, [Guam Governor] Leon Guerrero declared a state of emergency across the island —

Eleven days after issuing her emergency declaration, the governor received a call from Rear Adm. John Menoni, the commander of Joint Region Marianas. A handful of sailors on the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt were being medevaced to U.S. Naval Hospital Guam.

A massive warship battling a fast-spreading outbreak among a crew of 4,800 was on its way to Guam, and Leon Guerrero had no authority to stop it. At first, the Navy told her it would keep the entire Theodore Roosevelt crew confined to the base. It soon became apparent that it would need much more room....

If the number of sailors who require hospitalization grows, the base could quickly run out of space to provide proper treatment. Naval Hospital Guam has six I.C.U. beds and at least 15 ventilators, according to the Navy. An additional 12 acute care beds and six critical care beds with ventilators were added in the past two weeks. On base, the elementary and secondary schools, the gym, the Navy Lodge and some older barracks have been converted to housing for sick sailors. About 230 sailors and Marines from a Japan-based medical battalion arrived on the island earlier this week to help the Navy’s medical staff test and treat sailors

The Navy is in the process of testing every sailor on board, with results taking up to 96 hours...

That’s part of the agreement Leon Guerrero said she struck with the Navy. To protect its own population and health care system — which includes one private and one public hospital — the carrier’s sailors are to have no contact with civilians. “I made it very adamant that sailors are not to go to the beaches, they are not to go outside,” Leon Guerrero said. “So far they are complying.”

The Navy has assured Leon Guerrero that its presence will not hurt Guam’s health care system, she said, adding that the service has helped with testing and supplies and has delivered 35 additional ventilators to the island.

Outside the base’s perimeter, residents are preparing for the possibility that their own outbreak could overwhelm local resources. As of Friday, Guam had a total of 130 cases of the coronavirus, including four deaths. The hospitals have been able to manage the flow of patients so far, but the island could require as many as 6,000 hospital beds by June, according to Dr. Felix Cabrera, a member of Leon Guerrero’s physician's advisory group.

 

[Telstra]

Are the sailors got type A Covid19 ?
Type A mean it is the first strain (original), type B came from type A, Type C came from type B ...

I've heard many Americans got type A strain
while many Chinese in Wuhan got type B strain ... this is weird.

 

[KaraBulut]

14-Apr-2020:

Global COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported: 1,930,780 (up from 1,863,406) - *‬**‬‬****67,374‬ new cases yesterday
- Deaths: 120,450 (up from 114,983) - **‬5,467 people died yesterday

US COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported in the US - 582,594 cases (up from 557,590 yesterday, ‬**25,004 new cases)
- Deaths reported in the US - 23,649 deaths, **1,540 new deaths yesterday, 28% of the world's new deaths were in the US

NY state and NYC COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity (as of 11AM yesterday)
- Cases reported in NY state - 195,031 (up from 188,694 / +‬)
- Cases reported in NYC - 104,410 (up from 103,208 / +‬)
- Deaths reported in NYC - 6,898 (up from 6,717 / +)
- Persons tested in NY state - 478,357 (461,406 tested prior day- *16,951‬ new tests) positive - 41%

Coronavirus cases/deaths in active countries (preference to countries with JUB members):

• Spain - 172,541 (up from 169,496 / 1.8%) - 18,056 deaths
• Italy - 159,516 cases (up 156,363 / 2.0%) - 20,465 deaths
• France - 137,877 cases (up from 133,672 / 3.1%) - 14,986 deaths
• Germany - 130,072 cases (up from 127,854 / 1.8%) - 3,203 deaths
• UK - 89,571 cases (up from 85,212 / 5.1%) - 11,347 deaths
• Turkey - 61,049 cases (up from 56,956 / 7.2%) - 1,296 deaths
• Switzerland - 25,688 cases (up from 25,503 / 0.7%) - 1,155 deaths
• Canada - 25,680 cases (up from 24,380 / 5.3%) - 780 deaths
• Brazil - 23,723 (up from 22,318 cases / 6.3%) - 1,355 deaths
• India - 10,541 (up from 9,240 / 14.1%) - 358 deaths
• Ireland - 10,647 (up from 9,655 / 10.3%) - 365 deaths
• Japan - 7,645 (up from 7,370 / 3.7%) - 143 deaths
• Australia - 6,494 cases (up from 6,351 / 2.3%) - 61 deaths
• Mexico - 4,661 (up from 4,219 / 7.6%) - 332 deaths
• New Zealand - 1,349 (up from 1,330 / 1.3%) - 9 deaths

Coronavirus cases/deaths in recovering countries:

• China - 83,303 (up from 83,482 / 0.1%) - 3,345 deaths / 78,195 recovered
• Iran - 74,877 cases (up from 71,686 / 2.3%) - 4,683 deaths / 48,129 recovered
• Netherlands - 26,712 cases (up from 25,746 / 4.8%) - 2,737 deaths / 13,700 recovered
• South Korea - 10,564 cases (up from 10,512 / 0.3%) - 222 deaths / 7,534 recovered

Individual States with high case counts:

• New York - 196,146 (up from 190,288 / 3.1%) - 10,058 deaths
• New Jersey - 64,584 (up from 61,850 / 4.4%) - 2,443 deaths
• Michigan - 25,635 (up from 24,244 / 5.7%) - 1,602 deaths
• California - 24,372 (up from 23,311 / 4.6%) - 732 deaths
• Louisiana - 21,016 cases (up from 20,595 / 2.0%) - 884 deaths
• Florida - 21,019 (up from 19,895 / 5.6%) - 499 deaths
• Massachusetts - 26,867 (up from 25,475 / 5.5%) - 844 deaths
• Pennsylvania - 24,336 (up from 22,997 / 5.8%) - 592 deaths
• Illinois - 22,025 (up from 20,852 / 5.6%) - 798 deaths
• Texas - 14,505 (up from 13,886 / 4.5%) - 317 deaths
• Connecticut - 13,381 (up from 12,035 / 11.2%%) - 602 deaths
• Georgia - 13,125 (up from 12,550 / 4.6%) - 480 deaths
• Washington - 10,725 (up from 10,530 / 1.9%) - 522 deaths
• Maryland - 8,936 (up from 8,225 / 8.6%) - 262 deaths
• Colorado - 7,696 (up from 7,307 / 5.3%) - 306 deaths
• Tennessee - 5,610 (up from 5,508 / 1.9%) - 109 deaths
• Mississippi - 2,942 (up from 2,781 / 5.8%) - 98 deaths

Canadian Province Stats:

• Alberta - 1,732 (up from 1,648 / 5.1%) - 46 deaths
• British Columbia - 1,490 (up from 1,445 / 3.1%) - 69 deaths
• Manitoba - 246 (down from 242/ 1.7%) - 4 deaths
• New Brunswick - 116 (up from 114 / 1.8%) - 0 deaths
• Newfoundland/Labrador - 244 (up from 242 / 0.8%) - 3 deaths
• Northwest Territories - 5 (unchanged from 5) - 0 deaths
• Nova Scotia - 474 (up from 445 / 6.5%) - 2 deaths
• Ontario - 7,470 (up from 7,049 / 6.0%) - 291 deaths
• Quebec - 13,557 (up from 12,846 / 5.5%) - 360 deaths
• Prince Edward Island - 25 (unchanged from 25) - 0 deaths
• Saskatchewan - 300 (up from 298 / 0.7%) - 4 deaths
• Yukon - 8 (unchanged from 8) - 0 deaths

There were also 13 Canadians on the Grand Princess, one of whom died.

 

[KaraBulut]

I've heard many Americans got type A strain
while many Chinese in Wuhan got type B strain ... this is weird.

No, not really. There are 8 known strains in circulation. It's not a matter of one strain being "American" or "Chinese". All known strains are descended from the original strain isolated in Wuhan.

I mentioned this in an earlier post, but the way to understand this epidemic is to think of it in waves, all related to travel.

The first wave that hit Washington state, California, Oregon and British Columbia (North American West Coast) were descendants of the original Wuhan virus. It first entered Washington State on 15-Jan when a traveler from Wuhan arrived in Seattle. Within a week, the same strain appeared in other States in the west like Arizona and California from other travelers from China. It later appeared in Illinois and Texas. The first large outbreak in Washington State nursing homes in March was also from the Wuhan strain.

The next wave came from a Belgian strain that, in January, mutated from the original Wuhan strain In late February and early March, this strain showed up first in Georgia and Florida- the eastern US- via travelers from Europe. It later appeared in other places like Minnesota, Wisconsin and Ontario- around the Great Lakes.

The current wave that has hit NY and NJ is a French strain that had mutated from the Belgian strain. This strain is what got into NYC and has caused the most cases in the US. Because it got into in a major travel hub in the US, New York City, it's also in Washington state and Ontario- it caused yet another wave of cases in those areas that had previously been hit by the Belgian strain.

All 8 strains are currently circulating in the US - including at least 2 unique strains that were first found in the US after they drifted out from the original Wuhan strain and from the French strain. All 8 strains are believed to cause the same level of disease and the differences only matter to the epidemiologists who are tracking the different strains to determine how it's spreading.

If you look at other countries like the UK, you'll see a mix of the original Wuhan strain, the French strain and the Belgian strain.

 

[mikey3000]

So if this virus mutates so fast, and their are multiple strains around the globe, how can they possibly come up with an effective vaccine?

 

[KaraBulut]

So if this virus mutates so fast, and their are multiple strains around the globe, how can they possibly come up with an effective vaccine?

It's a good question.

With this coronavirus, these are very subtle drifts and the majority of the virus' structure remains the same.

SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus which is a very simple structure that is very prone to errors when it duplicates itself inside a host cell. These errors are what is causing the drift that creates new strains. As long as the virus continues to pass from human to human, the drift is going to be subtle making it more likely to be addressed by a single vaccine.

The reason that drift in influenza is a problem is influenza crosses species and is prone to very large drifts when it jumps species. Influenza A, in particular, affects a lot of different birds and mammals and now has many subtypes. Influenza A can drift within a single flu season to the point where the vaccine developed months earlier may not offer complete protection against all strains in circulation.

 

[Dominus]

Another preacher bites the dust after defiantly holding church gatherings and got coronavirus. His wife is still fighting for her life.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virgi...f6ZN_WoNEprtNUEcEN4iLq2w4ovAhGeDa0Svz29Rw8wss

 

[KaraBulut]

Other areas that are kindling waiting to ignite: Native Americans. Keep in mind that many immigrants from Central America are of Native American descent.

Native Americans were already decimated by a virus. They're scared it could happen again [CNN]

The Navajo Nation has seen at least 698 confirmed cases and 24 deaths. Tribal leaders recently enacted a curfew to combat the spread of coronavirus among its more than 250,000 members. And last week Cherokee Nation Health Services announced that 28 members had tested positive.

27 migrant children in US government custody test positive for coronavirus [CNN]
Twenty-seven migrant children in government custody had tested positive for coronavirus as of Monday, according to the latest update from the Office of Refugee Resettlement, the federal agency charged with their care.

Six of the 27 have recovered; others are in medical isolation in two Texas facilities and one Illinois facility, the agency said in a statement Tuesday. None of the children have required hospitalization.

The number of cases among unaccompanied migrant children in care has gradually increased over recent weeks. Citing an abundance of caution, the refugee agency stopped placing children in California, New York and Washington -- among the hardest-hit states -- with limited exceptions earlier this year. In all 87 children have been tested.


There are approximately 2,500 children in the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services

 

[swerve]

Thanks KB for all the time you've spent keeping us up to date on the stats. I haven't posted much, as I find myself somewhat speechless. Is there any credence for the article I recently read regarding an earlier wave (Late Dec - Mid Jan) that may have hit San Francisco and LA? I ask this because all of my coworkers and I got sick with a very nasty flu/cold during that time frame. For me, it lasted just over 2 weeks.

 

[KaraBulut]

Thanks KB for all the time you've spent keeping us up to date on the stats. I haven't posted much, as I find myself somewhat speechless. Is there any credence for the article I recently read regarding an earlier wave (Late Dec - Mid Jan) that may have hit San Francisco and LA? I ask this because all of my coworkers and I got sick with a very nasty flu/cold during that time frame. For me, it lasted just over 2 weeks.

Right now, the earliest confirmed case of COVID-19 was in mid-December in Wuhan. It's frustrating that most of the timelines that have been put together start with 31-December-2019 when China first went public with a cluster of pneumonia cases that it was seeing in Wuhan province. There's a whole history of events in November and December that hasn't been well-documented.

In December and January, I also heard stories from colleagues in emergency rooms and hospital ICUs in the US that there were some respiratory viruses circulating that were making people unusually sick. Several mentioned younger people who were sick with pneumonia for weeks. While these may not have been COVID-19, it was an atypical virus since the respiratory smears that tested for influenza, SARS, MERS, RSV and other common respiratory viruses were coming back negative.

If there's a lesson learned from all of this, it's that our surveillance system isn't working. Until now, we've assumed that these "little colds" and "flus" didn't need to be identified and researched. In the past few years, we've seen some of those viruses- that we thought were relatively harmless- cause deaths in vulnerable populations.

We're learning some painful lessons right now. When this is over- and hopefully after our political landscape changes in November- I think we're going to find out more about what really happened with COVID-19 and we're probably going to see more aggressive virus surveillance in the US so that this doesn't happen again.

 

[smokeshadow]

VOX looked at 4 varying plans to reduce social distancing and re-open the economy. . .and it still looks like it'll be 12 to 18 months before "normal" returns

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/14/21218074/coronavirus-plans-social-distancing-end-reopen-economy

 

[KaraBulut]

VOX looked at 4 varying plans to reduce social distancing and re-open the economy. . .and it still looks like it'll be 12 to 18 months before "normal" returns

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/14/21218074/coronavirus-plans-social-distancing-end-reopen-economy

It's sad but most likely true for those who haven't had the virus... at least until a vaccine is available. They're just beginning to break that news to the public.

 

[m1thousand]

QUESTION:

I havent seen anyone answer this question

"If I get infected with the virus, when will symptoms begin to show?"

 

[rareboy]

ANSWER:

https://www.google.com/search?q=how...j69i57j0l4.12093j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

And some people remain asymptomatic.

 

[Telstra]

so a virus can stay on meat and poultry for a long time ?
What now ?

 

[opinterph]

so a virus can stay on meat and poultry for a long time ?
What now ?

Your question is not related to the video you linked.

You should try searching for answers on your own.

All available evidence suggests that meat, milk and eggs remain safe to eat, [Jim Roth, director of the Center for Food Security and Public Health at Iowa State University] said.

Livestock, Poultry Safe From Coronavirus: Expert (MedicineNet; March 26, 2020)

 

[rareboy]

so a virus can stay on meat and poultry for a long time ?
What now ?

It was made pretty clear.

It is because workers cannot maintain social distancing. After 7:00 minute mark, one of the workers explains the situation working in plant. It was all about the meatpackers not providing proper protection or procedures for their workers.

It has nothing to do with the meat they are processing.

Did you actually watch the video?