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On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

I am still not buying Russia's numbers.

Brazil is now on the ascent...although I'm not buying their numbers either.

There's a few key numbers that we can look at to get a picture of what is really out there:
Germany has a population of 83 million people. They have 160,479 reported cases and 6,374 deaths. If those numbers are valid, then 0.19% of their population was infected and 3.9% of the infected died.

Russia has reported 99,399 cases. Let's assume that Russia has a case volume similar to Germany - 0.19%. The population of Russia is 144.5 million- that would be 279,388 cases.
Let's say that the Russian reported cases of 99,399 is valid. Apply that 3.9% mortality to the Russian case number of 99,399: 3.9% of 99,399 is 3,947. Russia has reported 972 deaths. The videos of the lines of ambulances at Russia hospitals tell us what is really happening.

I wouldn't put any wager on most of the countries' numbers, including the US. Unless the country is doing aggressive testing like Germany, all the numbers represent only the known... or what their governments want us to know.

The US is reporting that they have tested 5,795,728 people - about 1.8% of the population (and that's optimistic in assuming 1 test per person when we know they are retesting every person to clear them at the end of their illness). 872,481 of those tests were run by NY State- NY State is just 6% of the population but accounts for 15% of the tests! How can we claim there's 1,015,289 cases when 99% of the population is not tested?

And the CDC is already noticing that there was a big bump in the number of deaths in 1Q2020 and it is much higher than the coronavirus mortality would account for... that means that there's a bunch of people in the US that probably died of coronavirus that aren't in the reported number of 58,529 deaths.

U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported, C.D.C. Data Suggests [NY Times]
Total deaths in seven states that have been hard hit by the coronavirus pandemic are nearly 50 percent higher than normal for the five weeks from March 8 through April 11, according to new death statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That is 9,000 more deaths than were reported as of April 11 in official counts of deaths from the coronavirus.

The new data is partial and most likely undercounts the recent death toll significantly. But it still illustrates how the coronavirus is causing a surge in deaths in the places it has struck, probably killing more people than the reported statistics capture. These increases belie arguments that the virus is only killing people who would have died anyway from other causes. Instead, the virus has brought a pattern of deaths unlike anything seen in recent years.



This is the first time that humanity has all the resources to actually fucking learn something at a global level.
We keep learning. But in a generation or two, we forget and repeat our mistakes. Maybe it's not learning but instead about remembering and ensuring the next generation doesn't repeat the same mistakes?
 
Yes I did. What did I miss?

- Hopeful, it will be ready by September
- Based on existing technology known to work on a related virus which gives it a head start
- Brief description of how it works
- Shown to protect rhesus monkeys from the disease
- Human trials underway with 550 vaccinated and 550 placebo
- Confidence high enough for largest drug maker to already start producing it.

But still you said:
Hope? Hope doesn't sell stories.

But I did hear a good one the other day about how the fastest we've ever developed a vaccine was for the mumps, and that took four years.

You question the hopefulness of the story? You apparently don't believe it might be ready by Sept and it will take 4 years?

I just posted an article that seemed to maybe give some hope and good news for a vaccine sooner rather than later. I don't see anything to take issue with.
Maybe it will work and maybe it won't. But it's better progress than what we've had so far and this is at least hopeful, is it not?
Oxford Vaccine Group are the same people who developed the ebola vaccine, so they have some credibility.
 
- Hopeful, it will be ready by September

"Ready" will mean "ready for testing" beyond the phase I safety trials.

Fauci has been saying 12-18 months for general availability for a vaccine. He usually puts out realistic but slightly pessimistic expectations.

The reason I suspect he's going to be prove right (at least on the 12 month expectation) is that he knows that there's already a SARS-1 vaccine that worked well before those trials were abandoned (in hindsight, stopping those trials was a mistake).

Fauci knows that any new SARS-2 (which is the COVID-19 virus) vaccine is going to have to be tested thoroughly. One of the SARS-1 vaccines caused organ inflammation in animal testing and they wouldn't want something like that to occur in humans.

He also knows that even when a vaccine is finally approved, production of the vaccine will take time and they're going to prioritize the available supply so that healthcare workers, first responders and soldiers get priority. The general population won't get it until the high-risk people have been immunized.


zoltanspawn said:
But I did hear a good one the other day about how the fastest we've ever developed a vaccine was for the mumps, and that took four years.
It's really not fair to compare it to the mumps vaccine. That was originally developed back in the 1940s when the science was very primitive.

The 12-18 month timeline is probably going to prove to be correct.

At this point through... and here I go being political again... in 18 months, we may have 30-50% of the population who have already be exposed to the virus. Nobody is coming out and saying this but the U.S. business interests seem to be pushing the Swedish thinking that they will just let the virus work its way through the population until a vaccine is available.
 
30-Apr-2020:

Global COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Global Cases reported: 3,209,984 (up from 3,142,942 / 2.7%) - *‬*82,790 new cases yesterday
- Global Deaths: 228,057 (up from 218,649) - **9,408 people died yesterday

US COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported in the US - 1,040,488 cases (up from 1,015,289 / 2.5% yesterday, ‬**25,199 new cases)
- Deaths reported in the US - 60,999 deaths, 2,470 deaths yesterday , 26% of the world's new deaths were in the US
- Testing: - 6,026,170 tests (up from 5,795,728 yesterday, +230,442 tests), 1.8% of the US population has been tested

NY state and NYC COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity (as of 11AM yesterday)
- Cases reported in NY state - 299,691 (up from 295,106 / +4,585)
- Cases reported in NYC - 159,865 (up from 157,713 / +2,152), hospitalized 41,316
- Deaths reported in NYC - 17,589 (up from 17,215‬ / +374), confirmed 12,287, suspected 5,302

Coronavirus cases/deaths in active countries (preference to countries with JUB members):
  • US - 1,040,488 (up from 1,015,289 / 2.5%) - 60,999 deaths
  • Spain - 236,899 (up from 236,899 / 0%) - 24,275 deaths
  • Italy - 203,591 (up 201,505 / 1.0%) - 27,682 deaths
  • France - 166,628 (down from 169,053 / -1.4%) - 24,121 deaths
  • UK - 166,441 (up from 162,350 / 2.5%) - 26,166 deaths
  • Turkey - 117,589 (up from 114,653 / 2.6%) - 3,081 deaths
  • Russia - 106,498 (up from 99,399 / 7.1%) - 1,073 deaths
  • Brazil - 79,685 (up from 73,235 / 8.8%) - 5,513 deaths
  • Canada - 52,865 (up from 51,184 / 3.3%) - 3,155 deaths
  • Netherlands - 38,998 (up from 38,998 / 0%) - 4,811 deaths
  • India - 33,062 (up from 31,787 / 4.0%) - 1,079 deaths
  • Sweden - 21,092 (up from 20,302 / 3.9%) - 2,586 deaths
  • Ireland - 20,253 (up from 19,877 / 1.9%) - 1,190 deaths / 13,386 recovered
  • Mexico - 17,799 (up from 16,752 / 6.3%) - 1,732 deaths
  • Japan - 13,965 (up from 13,736 / 1.7%) - 229 deaths
Coronavirus cases/deaths in recovering countries:
  • Germany - 161,539 (up from 160,479 / 0.7%) - 6,467 deaths / 123,500 recovered
  • China - 83,944 (up from 83,940 / 0%) - 4,637 deaths / 78,493 recovered
  • Iran - 94,640 (up from 93,657 / 1.0%) - 6,028 deaths / 75,103 recovered
  • Switzerland - 29,586 (up from 29,407 / 0.6%) - 1,737 deaths / 23,100 recovered
  • South Korea - 10,765 (up from 10,761 / 0%) - 247 deaths / 9,059 recovered
  • Australia - 6,754 (up from 6,746 / 0.1%) - 92 deaths / 5,717 recovered
  • New Zealand - 1,476 (up from 1,474 / 0.1%) - 19 \ deaths / 1,241 recovered
Individual States with high case counts:
  • New York - 299,691 (up from 295,106 / 1.6%) - 23,477 deaths
  • New Jersey - 116,365 (up from 113,856 / 2.2%) - 6,771 deaths
  • Massachusetts - 60,265 (up from 58,302 / 3.4%) - 3,405 deaths
  • Illinois - 50,358 (up from 48,102 / 4.7%) - 2,215 deaths
  • California - 48,829 (up from 46,483 / 5.0%) - 1,956 deaths
  • Pennsylvania - 46,458 (up from 45,137 / 2.9%) - 2,386 deaths
  • Michigan - 40,399 (up from 39,262 / 2.9%) - 3,670 deaths
  • Florida - 33,193 (unchanged from 33,193 / 0%) - 1,218 deaths
  • Louisiana - 27,660 (up from 27,286 / 1.4%) - 1,845 deaths
  • Connecticut - 26,767 (up from 26,312 / 1.7%) - 2,168 deaths
  • Texas - 27,390 (up from 26,357 / 3.9%) - 759 deaths
  • Georgia - 25,955 (up from 25,159 / 3.2%) - 1,103 deaths
  • Maryland - 20,849 (unchanged from 20,849 / 0%) - 1,078 deaths
  • Ohio - 17,303 (up from 16,769 / 3.2%) - 937 deaths
  • Colorado - 14,758 (up from 14,316 / 3.1%) - 766 deaths
  • Washington - 14,070 (up from 13,842 / 1.6%) - 801 deaths
  • Virginia - 14,962 (unchanged from 14,962 / 0%) - 522 deaths
  • Tennessee - 10,366 (up from 10,052 / 3.1%) - 195 deaths
  • Iowa - 6,843 (up from 6,376 / 7.3%) - 148 deaths
  • Nebraska - 3,851 (up from 3,517 / 9.5%) - 56 deaths
  • Arkansas - 3,193 (up from 3,137 / 1.8%) - 57 deaths
  • South Dakota - 2,373 (up from 2,313 / 2.6%) - 13 deaths
Canadian Province Stats:
  • Alberta - 5,165 (up from 4,850 / 6.5%) - 87 deaths
  • British Columbia - 2,087 (up from 2,053 / 1.7%) - 109 deaths
  • Manitoba - 275 (up from 273 / 0.7%) - 6 deaths
  • New Brunswick - 118 (unchanged from 118 / 0%) - 0 deaths
  • Newfoundland/Labrador - 258 (unchanged from 258 / 0%) - 3 deaths
  • Northwest Territories - 5 (unchanged from 5 / 0%) - 0 deaths
  • Nova Scotia - 935 (up from 915 / 2.2%) - 28 deaths
  • Ontario - 16,978 (up from 16,534 / 2.7%) - 1,153 deaths
  • Quebec - 26,610 (up from 25,761 / 3.3%) - 1,762 deaths
  • Prince Edward Island - 27 (unchanged from 27 / 0%) - 0 deaths
  • Saskatchewan - 383 (up from 366 / 4.6%) - 6 deaths
  • Yukon - 11 (unchanged from 11) - 0 deaths
There were also 13 Canadians on the Grand Princess, one of whom died.
 
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At this point through... and here I go being political again... in 18 months, we may have 30-50% of the population who have already be exposed to the virus. Nobody is coming out and saying this but the U.S. business interests seem to be pushing the Swedish thinking that they will just let the virus work its way through the population until a vaccine is available.

The US following a socialist path, God forbid! :lol:
 
The US following a socialist path, God forbid! :lol:

Except for the part about paying for public health and the cost of all the hospitalizations.
 
Except for the part about paying for public health and the cost of all the hospitalizations.

Mimicking a socialist Swedish government's approach to the pandemic is enough to become socialist :cool:
 
- Hopeful, it will be ready by September
- Based on existing technology known to work on a related virus which gives it a head start
- Brief description of how it works
- Shown to protect rhesus monkeys from the disease
- Human trials underway with 550 vaccinated and 550 placebo
- Confidence high enough for largest drug maker to already start producing it.

But still you said:


You question the hopefulness of the story? You apparently don't believe it might be ready by Sept and it will take 4 years?

I just posted an article that seemed to maybe give some hope and good news for a vaccine sooner rather than later. I don't see anything to take issue with.
Maybe it will work and maybe it won't. But it's better progress than what we've had so far and this is at least hopeful, is it not?
Oxford Vaccine Group are the same people who developed the ebola vaccine, so they have some credibility.

We're actually more on the same page than it may have appeared.

I wasn't actually questioning the hopefulness of the story. In fact, I have been trying to suggest in all my posts that hopefulness may ultimately provide a better attitude for public health, and more lives saved, than fear-mongering.

My original post was sort of sarcastic, and was a criticism of the constant media hype of doom and anxiety: "Hope doesn't sell stories."

I was trying to suggest that "Fear sells stories" and that is why we see so many of them.
 
We're actually more on the same page than it may have appeared.

I wasn't actually questioning the hopefulness of the story. In fact, I have been trying to suggest in all my posts that hopefulness may ultimately provide a better attitude for public health, and more lives saved, than fear-mongering.

My original post was sort of sarcastic, and was a criticism of the constant media hype of doom and anxiety: "Hope doesn't sell stories."

I was trying to suggest that "Fear sells stories" and that is why we see so many of them.

Ah, I understand now. Thank you for explaining and sorry for misunderstanding.
 
It's really not fair to compare it to the mumps vaccine. That was originally developed back in the 1940s when the science was very primitive.

That makes sense. Too bad the story in the news was making such an unfair comparison. But, you know, there's no news like bad news.

At this point through... and here I go being political again... in 18 months, we may have 30-50% of the population who have already be exposed to the virus. Nobody is coming out and saying this but the U.S. business interests seem to be pushing the Swedish thinking that they will just let the virus work its way through the population until a vaccine is available.

1) Well, do hospitals have "business interests"? Do food suppliers? Governments that rely on tax revenue to supply social safety networks? Do communications, transportation networks, energy grids, defense, natural resources, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc, have "business interests"? I'm constantly amazed that people think "business interests" are somehow not totally interwoven with even the most basic elements of our social system from the top to the bottom, that "business interests" are just those of rich assholes on Wall Street. I don't think this is really about politics, but about the reality of having a system that survives just to structure the simplest elements of our society. What I find myself wondering is how even these simplest elements would survive 18 months of near-failure. And if they survived, then where would we be? (I need to start a thread on war.)

Perhaps we need to consider that the "essential services" we currently maintain are actually dependent on a larger system of trade, and if those essential services are to survive, we can't continue to pretend that they exist in isolation from the economic organ system.

2) The virus is already working its way through the population. I don't think that can be stopped. If I understand correctly, our goal is to slow transmission, not to end transmission. The Swedes are merely slowing transmission in a less repressive manner; but it's not true that they are NOT trying to slow transmission. The Swedes are still taking measures to prevent infection (they've publicly stated their failures with rest homes, for instance). If I understand correctly, our goal is to try to prevent a strain on hospital capacity. In many locales, if not most (as in Sweden) hospital capacity has not been strained. Considering that, it seems to me that we ought to try to reach a rate of transmission that balances the rate of infection (and ultimately, mortality) against all the other harms that lockdown imposes.

3) If we have 30-50% exposure in 18 months, that's a good thing for herd immunity, isn't it? I think we need to make sure that vulnerable populations, like those over 65, etc, need to avoid all exposure. And if upon further study it turns out that the mortality rate is as low as it appears it might be for the young and healthy, then it might benefit society and the world to deliberately expose them. If the threat to the young and healthy is negligible, the faster we reach maximum exposure without overwhelming the hospitals is a good thing.
 
That makes sense. Too bad the story in the news was making such an unfair comparison. But, you know, there's no news like bad news.
Fauci made an optimistic statement about the possibility of having a working vaccine in the 1Q21 and possibly general availability by the summer which is good.

Another big change- typically publicly-traded companies typically won't invest in manufacturing a vaccine or medication until it is well into human subject trials and double-blind studies. With this vaccine, some of the companies have expressed an interest in investing in manufacturing early which will speed up the availability of a vaccine to general public.



1) Well, do hospitals have "business interests"? Do food suppliers? Governments that rely on tax revenue to supply social safety networks? Do communications, transportation networks, energy grids, defense, natural resources, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc, have "business interests"? I'm constantly amazed that people think "business interests" are somehow not totally interwoven with even the most basic elements of our social system from the top to the bottom, that "business interests" are just those of rich assholes on Wall Street. I don't think this is really about politics, but about the reality of having a system that survives just to structure the simplest elements of our society. What I find myself wondering is how even these simplest elements would survive 18 months of near-failure. And if they survived, then where would we be? (I need to start a thread on war.)
Hospitals have an interest in protecting their employees- 10,000 of whom have have contracted COVID-19 in the US. They also have an interest in profitability and until they reduce the number of unreimbursed COVID-19 patients in their facilities, they won't be able to resume the profitable outpatient services that they have had to defer during the crisis.

The job market has been segmented into three groups of people - the employees who are essential workers who must work at their workplaces, the non-essential employees who can work from home and the furloughed workers whose employers cannot afford to pay them.

The polls are saying that a majority of Americans don't feel secure enough to go to places with crowds. They are worried about sending their children to school. They are worried about lessening of the restrictions too early. And in all these instances, when asked about the financial impacts, they're choosing their health over their financial risk.

Germany is one country that has reduced their rate of replication (R[sub]0[/sub]) to less than 1 which means that the number of cases is decreasing as fewer people have been passing along the virus. But here's a breakdown for Germany's new cases for the past 10 days.
20-Apr 1,964
21-Apr 1,322
22-Apr 1,388
23-Apr 2,276
24-Apr 2,664
25-Apr 1,661
26-Apr 1,673
27-Apr 1,054
28-Apr 977

29-Apr 1,721
30-Apr 1,060

Now that they've been backing off on some of their restrictions, the numbers are increasing. Even with measures in effect and an R[sub]0[/sub] less than 1, they are still getting over 1,000 new cases per day. Germany has 161,539 cases.

The US has 1,040,488 cases with 25,000 new cases per day and the US' cases are increasing at 4 times the rate of Germany's. Guess what is going to happen in the US?

2) The virus is already working its way through the population. I don't think that can be stopped. If I understand correctly, our goal is to slow transmission, not to end transmission. The Swedes are merely slowing transmission in a less repressive manner; but it's not true that they are NOT trying to slow transmission.
No, the goal is always containment and elimination. The opportunity to do that was in February. America blew that opportunity, so now we're in mitigation and reduction, trying desperately to get that R[sub]0[/sub] under 1 so that we don't have 25,000 new cases every day.

The Swedes are not doing much of anything for people under 60. They have a 25% infection rate and claim that their goal is not herd immunity (which makes no sense to most epidemiologists).


3) If we have 30-50% exposure in 18 months, that's a good thing for herd immunity, isn't it?
SARS-CoV-2 will require >70-80% immunity to attain "herd immunity", assuming that there is a persistence of immunity beyond 24 months past recovery. At a 30% rate of infection, you'll have about 60 million adults who are infected. If you assume a mortality of 3%, that's 1.8 million dead. Does that sound like a good idea?
 
Well, Day 3 of my self-imposed, self-isolation, and stopping my son at my bedroom door is the WORST part of it! With just the one symptom (low-grade fever) one night, my doctor feels that I can go without the sinus lobotomy, but being in the high risk group, I can come in. However, our small rural hospital doesn't have the rapid in-clinic antigen testing, so it'd take 10 - 15 days for the results, and it's ultimately up to me. I'm still a news junkie, but it all centers on Covid-19 over all else (even the political channels of FOX, MSNBC, OAN, & RT, lol, which is free of charge on DirecTV ... Russia Today, but a subject for another thread).

Thankfully, my ex-boyfriend has over 6 months of sobriety under his belt, thus qualifying him for an extend furlough from his very Christian-based halfway house has moved in for two weeks. My son was very happy to see him, and living just off of a lake, they go fishing from the shore often. My sister and nephew (her son) live with me, but they work nights, and I need someone to tend to Nate. He does 2.5 hours of homework in the afternoon and 2.5 after fishing (after supper). Tina and Bryce have really stepped up. I have washer and dryer, and they all know to wash their clothes immediately upon getting home and showering. Lol ... my house has never smelled so bleachy or Lysol-fresh as constantly as it does now.

11 more big sleeps to go, and I will once again be able to enter the world that is my house! Better safest than sorriest! Lysol aerosol cans are everywhere in my house: 1 in both bathrooms, 2 in the kitchen, and 1 in my bedroom. Wherever I go, I've got my tube (for lack of better descript) of Clorox wipes whenever I have to venture out to the restroom. 3 meals-a-day are delivered to my bedroom door (on the floor just outside), and I get to put them out again once I am done. 2.5 cases of bottled water in here, as well as fresh fruits and various junk food chips are in here too.

It IRKS me to NO END that Wisconsin is one of the seven states so quickly easing up on its state restrictions per our "Stay at Home" restrictions! Our confirmed cases are steadily rising, especially after our recent elections! So much for following the federal guideline of having a steady decline in cases for a minimum of two weeks!!! But we do have a Republican-controlled House and Senate that greatly reduced governor power before Democratic Ivers was inaugurated, soooo ...
 
I don't know what the State is doing yet but we just got this order for the SF Bay Area - til June 1 now. I am OK with it. I have eaten at more restaurants since they closed than I ever have because they all have pick up services now and I can try all the things I didn't even know about before. I think when they reopen they will all have alot of new customers. I especially like see the photos of everyone's food - large internet group now of locals and the restaurants.

The seven Bay Area Public Health Officers who ordered a shelter in place in mid-March will extend the orders through May 31 while some restrictions are eased and tools to strengthen containment of COVID-19 are put into place. The social distancing intervention has slowed the increase of new cases and prevented the anticipated medical surge. As restrictions are eased, it is critical to ensure that growth of cases can be sufficiently contained to protect the health and safety of our community.

All construction activities, certain businesses that operate primarily outdoors, and some outdoor activities will be allowed to resume with specific conditions.

These new Health Officer orders, which take effect May 4, cover everyone living or working in the counties of Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara as well as the City of Berkeley, an independent public health jurisdiction. As of April 28, 2020, there are 7,273 confirmed cases (up from 258 confirmed cases on March 15, 2020) and 266 deaths (up from 4 deaths on March 15, 2020) in the seven Bay Area jurisdictions jointly issuing this Order.

This next phase reflects regional progress, thanks to the collective action Bay Area residents have taken since mid-March in response to Health Officer shelter-in-place orders. Those actions have saved lives and staved off mass hospitalizations from the COVID-19 virus, which spreads easily and causes severe illness in many people. There is not yet an effective treatment or cure for the disease.

This initial, measured easing of some restrictions is designed to set the stage for a gradual resumption of activity and prevent rapid, exponential growth of cases that could overwhelm hospitals for a particular jurisdiction or the region as a whole.

“This impact of the virus has been hard for many of us, but we are now on a path for steady progress, which now allows some low-risk activities to return,” said Dr. Lisa B. Hernandez, Health Officer for the City of Berkeley. “This virus is still in our communities. We need everyone to shelter-in-place apart from the few exceptions – and wear a face covering when out.”

"The new order allows us to carefully monitor our progress while building the essential public health infrastructure – such as contact tracing and testing capacity – that will support our gradual reopening and make recovery possible,” said Dr. Tomás Aragon, Health Officer for the City and County of San Francisco.

Under the new orders, all construction projects will be allowed to resume as long as the project complies with safety protocols included with the order. All real estate transactions will also now be able to resume, but with continued restrictions on open houses and limitations on in-person viewings. Any employee allowed to return to work at a facility can also access childcare programs that can operate.

Certain outdoor businesses can also begin operating again, and people can visit those businesses to perform work or obtain goods, services, or supplies. This includes wholesale and retail nurseries, landscapers, gardeners, and other businesses that primarily provide outdoor services as set forth in the order. Outdoor businesses do not include restaurants, cafes or bars, regardless of whether they have outdoor seating.

Other activities that can resume under the new order include residential moves and the use of certain shared outdoor recreational facilities that were previously ordered closed, like skate parks, but not others that involve shared equipment or physical contact.

San Mateo County’s order differs from the orders in other counties by restricting outdoor recreation to within 10 miles of a person’s residence. This restriction applies not only to San Mateo County residents but also to residents of other counties who wish to travel to San Mateo County for outdoor recreation.

Residents of other counties are not prohibited from entering San Mateo County for other activities allowed by the order, but this provision, which is consistent with the State order, does prohibit those living more than 10 miles from San Mateo County from traveling to San Mateo County for recreation.

In addition in San Mateo County, beach parking lot


https://www.smcgov.org/press-release/regional-shelter-place-orders-extended-some-rules-ease
 
I was just reading about the openings and the protests and lawsuits for a couple hours now and the one thing that strikes me is the lack of regard for the Medical Professional and Public Health Officials which I consider the first and foremost authorities - period!

The politicians I appreciate are the ones from either party who understand the wisdom of Public Health Officials and consider all of the variables before they CAUTIOUSLY reopen. Some of the decisions seem rash and if it causes a larger spread of the disease then all of this will be on repeat and then we will have to do it all over.

Is it worth it? I guess time will tell.
 
The problems in Russia and the UK have been getting overshadowed by the numbers in the US.

In a week, Russia has gone from 60,000 cases to 115,000 cases- almost doubling their case totals. Russia's PM Mikhail Mishustin was diagnosed with COVID-19 this week. Many of the healthcare workers in Russian hospitals are sick with COVID-19. In spite of this, Putin has put out statements which say everything is under control and that Russia has done a good job of stopping the spread of coronavirus. Russia is under lockdown and the lockdown has been extended through 11-May. The videos below are from earlier this week.




The UK is up to 167,000 cases. They're reported 26,000 deaths which would make their mortality rate 15% which does not comport with the 3-4% mortality seen in other countries. The death count would imply that the actual case count is probably closer to 1 million cases.
 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11524335/cant-catch-coronavirus-twice-faulty-tests/

You CAN’T catch coronavirus twice, say scientists – faulty tests to blame for ‘second positives’

"Oh Myoung-don, the head of the committee, said that the later positive results were caused by shortcomings in the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test that detects the virus’s genetic information, or RNA, in samples taken from patients.

Harmless traces
The test is unable to differentiate between “live” RNA and harmless traces that can remain in the body of someone who has fully recovered.
"
 
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