On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[zoltanspawn]

I have no idea where to put this article. Is it here? In politics? The afraid thread? A new thread altogether?

Unicef warns lockdown could kill more than Covid-19 as model predicts 1.2 million child deaths
'Indiscriminate lockdowns' are an ineffective way to control Covid and could contribute to a 45 per cent rise in child mortality

I hope it remains here, as it directly concerns the issue of child mortality as a consequence of SARS2.

 

[KaraBulut]

So, we're accepting news articles highlighting scary photos from data-vacuums like China as a reasonable basis for opinion but not from journal preprints? Hmmmm. ]

I always caution people who start with a conclusion and then try to find things that seem to support that conclusion.

Your last few posts have used some rhetorical devices that are unrelated to the issues being discussed. You seem to be arguing about events that have already happened in some sort of attempt to say that the successful attempts to control the virus were unnecessary? And you seem to be arguing about a alternate scenario of permanent shutdown that has never been proposed by anyone in public health or in any post in this thread that I'm aware of? You're raising these arguments yourself and then arguing against them citing editorial opinions and studies that aren't peer reviewed from people who are not in the mainstream of epidemiology research.

The general consensus from epidemiologist who have been through epidemics before is that there was a serious failure in the United States' management of their epidemic in January, February and March. Because of that, measures were put into place late in March to isolate an unknown number of people who had contracted SARS-CoV-2 to mitigate the further spread of that disease. That effort was successful. Case counts and deaths declined in areas like Washington, New York, New Jersey, California and Connecticut. Unfortunately, it was terminated before the period needed to lower the number of active cases which has allowed the epidemic in the US to move from urban-dominated to a mix of urban and rural epidemics.

Meanwhile, countries that instituted control measures have their epidemics under control. These countries did testing and contact tracing followed by isolation and retesting. They adhered to those restrictions until the numbers told them to relax their restrictions. Subsequent outbreaks were addressed with resources and a plan that tamped down those outbreaks before they spread.

Let's compare those countries that acted early and decisively. These were their case counts from yesterday:

• New Zealand - 4 (daily case count on 5-May was 0)
• Australia - 8 (daily case count on 5-May was 28)
• China - 9 (daily case count on 5-May was 2)
• South Korea - 13 (daily case count on 5-May was 3)
• Japan - 20 (daily case count on 5-May was 201)
• Switzerland - 21 (daily case count on 5-May was 28)
• Ireland - 88 (daily case count on 5-May was 266)

These are countries that faltered before instituting control measures have numbers that have improved greatly but still show virus actively circulating, showing yesterday's case counts:

• 
  France - 358 (daily case count on 5-May was 658)
• Italy - 451 (daily case count on 5-May was 1,221)
• Spain - 454 (daily case count on 5-May was 545)
• Turkey - 1,158 (daily case count on 5-May was 1,614)

And then there's the countries that didn't take it all seriously and have fumbled at their efforts to contain and mitigate their cases:

• Iran - 2,111 (daily case count on 5-May was 1,323) - case count is going back up after weeks of decrease
• Mexico - 2,414 (daily case count on 5-May was 1,434) - case count nearly doubled in 14 days
• UK - 2,714 (daily case count on 5-May was 3,990)- case count unchanged in 14 days
• India - 6,118 (daily case count on 5-May was 3,806) - case count nearly doubled in 14 days
• Russia - 9,263 (daily case count on 5-May was 10,102)- case count unchanged in 14 days
• Brazil - 16,316 (daily case count on 5-May was 6,794) - case count doubled in 14 days
• US - 22,460 (daily case count on 5-May was 22,293) - case count unchanged in 14 days

In this last group of countries, we have an endemic virus in the population that will persist for 3-4 years before we reach an equilibrium or a vaccine is available. During that time, we will probably be in an economic depression, largely due to a decline in consumer confidence. Now we're searching for a new normal. We won't be going back to the old normal. Other countries will be looking at Americans, Russians and Brazilians in the way that we look at countries that have endemic malaria. They don't want to sit next to an American on a plane and they won't want Americans visiting their countries.

In the months and years to come, we will see teams of researchers digging into databases and patient records to figure out the extent of what has happened in the past 5 months. The preliminary numbers are self-evident: countries who acted early and decisively don't have the kinds of daily case counts that the countries with incompetent governments have. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of speculative and questionable papers being written.

 

[KaraBulut]

The latest issue of MMWR has a new case study about an incident at an Arkansas church:

High COVID-19 Attack Rate Among Attendees at Events at a Church — Arkansas, March 2020 [CDC-MMWR]

Among 92 attendees at a rural Arkansas church during March 6–11, 35 (38%) developed laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, and three persons died. Highest attack rates were in persons aged 19–64 years (59%) and ≥65 years (50%). An additional 26 cases linked to the church occurred in the community, including one death.

The CDC has added a special group gathering callout for churches. It will be interested to see how long it is there before someone in Pence's office has it removed.

 

[zoltanspawn]

I always caution people who start with a conclusion and then try to find things that seem to support that conclusion.

Specifics will help me to reply here. I'm not sure this sort of general sentiment, which I agree with, doesn't cut both ways. Do only my posts start with a conclusion and then try to find things that support that conclusion? Do only others' posts? I would not make such an accusation, myself, comfortably about others' ideas without reference to specific propositions.

Your last few posts have used some rhetorical devices that are unrelated to the issues being discussed.

Specifics will help me to reply here. Which rhetorical devices? How are they unrelated?

You seem to be arguing about events that have already happened in some sort of attempt to say that the successful attempts to control the virus were unnecessary?

I think it's definitely helpful to focus on events that have already happened regarding SARS2 because they are the most verifiable. This is preferable to speculation. As I've tried to express, some of those attempts at control were necessary and some weren't. If you haven't followed along on that opinion, I guess I need to try harder.

And you seem to be arguing about a alternate scenario of permanent shutdown that has never been proposed by anyone in public health or in any post in this thread that I'm aware of?

The problem is that people continue to invent new reasons to extend the lockdown. Of course no one proposes "permanent shutdown." Most would not buy that. But--if at first you say we need to shut things down to flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overwhelmed...and then you propose the specter of a second wave...and then when there's an outbreak somewhere you say "see! we need to extend the quarantine"... and then there's another reason... the effect is just that: permanent shutdown. Will there be a vaccine? Maybe? How long do we wait?

You're raising these arguments yourself and then arguing against them citing editorial opinions and studies that aren't peer reviewed from people who are not in the mainstream of epidemiology research.

Are you saying someone like John Ioannidis isn't a reasonable expert in epidemiology?

The general consensus from epidemiologist who have been through epidemics before is that there was a serious failure in the United States' management of their epidemic in January, February and March. Because of that, measures were put into place late in March to isolate an unknown number of people who had contracted SARS-CoV-2 to mitigate the further spread of that disease. That effort was successful.

Well, to be fanciful, should quarantine have been imposed on Pitcairn Island? Are ubiquitous, boundless quarantines the right protocol everywhere? Should measures be tailored to specific situations? Was there any over-reaction, anywhere? I will confidently say, I think the measures put into place locally have been ridiculous.

Meanwhile, countries that instituted control measures have their epidemics under control. These countries did testing and contact tracing followed by isolation and retesting. They adhered to those restrictions until the numbers told them to relax their restrictions. Subsequent outbreaks were addressed with resources and a plan that tamped down those outbreaks before they spread.

Yeah, I'm not opposed to control measures, not opposed to testing or contact tracing, not opposed to isolation and retesting, not opposed to restrictions, not opposed to controlling subsequent outbreaks....

I'm opposed to horizontal interdiction, or whatever you want to call it, dumb lockdown or broad quarantine.

In this last group of countries, we have an endemic virus in the population that will persist for 3-4 years before we reach an equilibrium or a vaccine is available.

(Emphasis mine)

Can you be specific about what you propose we do in this 3-4 year period?

Continued closure of schools, parks, businesses, transportation, etc?

Thank you so much for outright stating this time period. It's important for others to see what I'm talking about when I continually cite concerns of endless lockdown.

During that time, we will probably be in an economic depression, largely due to a decline in consumer confidence.

Probably?

Are you kidding? "Probably?"

We are at the beginning of a global social catastrophe that hasn't been seen in decades.

Now we're searching for a new normal.

I hate that phrase. There's nothing "normal" about living like this. I see no reason to tolerate and embrace the illness and all the problems I keep going on about as "normal." We need to recognize the situation for what it is: not normal.

The preliminary numbers are self-evident: countries who acted early and decisively don't have the kinds of daily case counts that the countries with incompetent governments have. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of speculative and questionable papers being written.

The unresolved question I have is whether those countries that imposed ubiquitous and boundless lockdowns will, at the end of the day, have dramatically saved years of life lost at the end of all this.

 

[Kulindahr]

And expect a huge surge in hydroxychloroquine use as a preventive against COVID...even though it is not effective.

Either an irresponsible use of an untested and unproven drug...or an irresponsible lie designed to push sales of an untested and unproven drug that may cause cardiac problems and hallucinations.

I saw on another site where someone knowledgeable about the immune system said that eating a handful of mixed nuts every day would be more effective than hydroxychloroquine since mixed nuts contain trace elements that are essential to the immune system.

Just for fun, I grabbed some at the store the next day.

 

[Kulindahr]

Your family and associates might do well to publish an article in a peer-reviewed journal titled "We've Never Seen Anything like COVID-19." This would help establish your argument that this 'isn't about fear', and the unique 'way that it is attacking the vascular system in all ages', 'with so many different variations' with a 'no one size fits all treatment', 'as the virus is mutating', with 'no way of being sure of what each mutation brings'...

On the other hand, I'm seeing the same thing from medical people on other sites. One is a doctor in Europe who has several times noted how this virus just keeps hitting them on the blind side.

 

[Kulindahr]

There might be a delay in reporting but China is reporting fewer new confirmed cases this week than they reported last week.

The fact that they went through this much effort for this long, only to see cases increase after relaxing some of their restrictions doesn't bode well for the rest of the world.

Will the rest of the world pay attention?

 

[belamyi]

I am all for letting people enjoy their segregated "liberty" out of any sort of lockdown, if they wish so. Having an endemic virus roaming around for four years does not mean hiding in a hole and freezing the economy for four years, but being aware that for the next four years your life will be in a state of emergency derived from a more "clear and present danger" to your well-being and even your existence than a terrorist alarm.

 

[rareboy]

Specifics will help me to reply here. I'm not sure this sort of general sentiment, which I agree with, doesn't cut both ways. Do only my posts start with a conclusion and then try to find things that support that conclusion? Do only others' posts? I would not make such an accusation, myself, comfortably about others' ideas without reference to specific propositions.



Specifics will help me to reply here. Which rhetorical devices? How are they unrelated?



I think it's definitely helpful to focus on events that have already happened regarding SARS2 because they are the most verifiable. This is preferable to speculation. As I've tried to express, some of those attempts at control were necessary and some weren't. If you haven't followed along on that opinion, I guess I need to try harder.



The problem is that people continue to invent new reasons to extend the lockdown. Of course no one proposes "permanent shutdown." Most would not buy that. But--if at first you say we need to shut things down to flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overwhelmed...and then you propose the specter of a second wave...and then when there's an outbreak somewhere you say "see! we need to extend the quarantine"... and then there's another reason... the effect is just that: permanent shutdown. Will there be a vaccine? Maybe? How long do we wait?



Are you saying someone like John Ioannidis isn't a reasonable expert in epidemiology?



Well, to be fanciful, should quarantine have been imposed on Pitcairn Island? Are ubiquitous, boundless quarantines the right protocol everywhere? Should measures be tailored to specific situations? Was there any over-reaction, anywhere? I will confidently say, I think the measures put into place locally have been ridiculous.



Yeah, I'm not opposed to control measures, not opposed to testing or contact tracing, not opposed to isolation and retesting, not opposed to restrictions, not opposed to controlling subsequent outbreaks....

I'm opposed to horizontal interdiction, or whatever you want to call it, dumb lockdown or broad quarantine.



(Emphasis mine)

Can you be specific about what you propose we do in this 3-4 year period?

Continued closure of schools, parks, businesses, transportation, etc?

Thank you so much for outright stating this time period. It's important for others to see what I'm talking about when I continually cite concerns of endless lockdown.



Probably?

Are you kidding? "Probably?"

We are at the beginning of a global social catastrophe that hasn't been seen in decades.



I hate that phrase. There's nothing "normal" about living like this. I see no reason to tolerate and embrace the illness and all the problems I keep going on about as "normal." We need to recognize the situation for what it is: not normal.



The unresolved question I have is whether those countries that imposed ubiquitous and boundless lockdowns will, at the end of the day, have dramatically saved years of life lost at the end of all this.

Ontario is re-opening because we were successful in flattening the curve. It doesn't mean there won't be more cases. There will be. What it means is that we are much more prepared to deal with them and have the capacity in the system to do so. Many of us are now fully back to work and living life more or less 'normally' with relatively few inconveniences

Way back when, I indicated to the OP in this thread that it wouldn't necessarily be about the number of potential deaths, it would be about the capacity of the health care system to be able to take care of the sick and dying. We have seen the health care systems in a number of countries pushed beyond limits with catastrophic consequences because they weren't prepared for what might happen. This was about buying time in order to adapt. To learn about its transmission, presentation and treatment. To make simple changes to behaviour that will reduce chances of transmission. As that has been happening, restrictions are being relaxed.

Over the last 12 weeks...not twelve months or 3-4 years....but in only 12 weeks...we have learned so many things we didn't know about this disease that we literally didn't know before. About transmission, treatment and even possible prevention. If anything, we should be amazed at a globally co-operative effort to avoid a catastrophe like the 1918 pandemic.

I don't know where you get the idea that there is some kind of global one-size-fits-all lockdown underway. Even in Canada, measures have been tailored to regional or local conditions and all the provinces are moving ahead with a re-opening after 8 to 10 weeks of restrictions. This is happening in almost all western countries now as the capacity to test, trace and treat is developed.

And maybe for the next 3 to 4 years...or who knows, only the next 3 to 4 months people should be prepared for continued interruptions in some sectors that could result in high rates of community transmission. As I have also previously mentioned, polio used to seasonally close down activities and lead to quarantines for decades until Salk found the vaccine.

You and so many others seem angry and frustrated and resentful about this incredibly short term interruption in our lives. Many seem to have no tolerance for excess caution ...yet I rarely see them present their own tested public health plan for local communities. It also seems that those who are angriest about quarantines are also always those who believe that they will be exempted from contracting a fatal version of the virus. Or that their families are somehow exempt. Or maybe they don't care about their own families or friends or others in their community. That 500 deaths per million is an acceptable price to pay. Again, those 500 deaths per million in some countries are in spite of late, but rigorous controls. In New York, btw, in spite of all the efforts the rate is over 1400 per million.

So what are 320,000 lives worth at this point? Because it is safe to say that without controls, the death rate would be double. Or 3.2 million deaths? Because a ten fold increase in transmission and deaths isn't inconceivable. Literally. What are they worth?

But maybe let's get back to the purpose of this thread which is different than 'Who's Afraid of Coronavirus'. Most of the information presented in this thread is simply that. Information. I don't see posters here arguing for endless or excessive lockdowns. Or advocating for fear based journalism as a means to permanently shut down society.

 

[KaraBulut]

Ontario is re-opening because we were successful in flattening the curve. It doesn't mean there won't be more cases. There will be. What it means is that we are much more prepared to deal with them and have the capacity in the system to do so. Many of us are now fully back to work and living life more or less 'normally' with relatively few inconveniences...

Over the last 12 weeks...not twelve months or 3-4 years....but in only 12 weeks...we have learned so many things we didn't know about this disease that we literally didn't know before. About transmission, treatment and even possible prevention. If anything, we should be amazed at a globally co-operative effort to avoid a catastrophe like the 1918 pandemic.

Speaking of learning curves...

It's interesting that some of the countries that have lower case numbers are also the countries that had encounters with SARS nearly 20 years ago. That experience was recent enough that there was a certain amount of "muscle memory" where the government and the populace implemented measures learned in the SARS experience.

It's been a while since the US had experience with a serious epidemic. The last two H1N1 epidemics didn't take on the catastrophic numbers seen in 1918-1919. Smallpox, polio, malaria, yellow fever... these are all so far in the past that most Americans don't really remember how bad they were.

The question is, "what have Americans learned from their first pandemic in a century?". That being at home with your family for 30 days isn't as easy as they thought it would be? That not getting a haircut or a manicure for a month ruins their Instagram pictures? That Suze Orman was right when she said that a rainy day fund was everyone should have? That pandemic viral illnesses require tough choices and long-term behavioral changes that aren't a lot of fun?

We were lucky this time around. SARS-CoV-2 is highly contagious but has a relatively low mortality and low morbidity (at least so far it does). The nightmare scenarios in epidemiology revolve around highly contagious pathogens with a high mortality. What would happen if that were the case? Would Americans be able to do what it takes to stop a highly lethal pandemic? Would they be able to adjust to not being able to go to school or work for months on end? Would we still have people running around without masks carrying signs with Confederate flags and swastikas who complain about the tyranny of the State? Would the White House be saying, "Only X number of people died. Success!"?

We're still early in the COVID-19 experience. I heard one public health expert say that we are in the second inning in the first game of the series, which is an apt analogy to point out that we are just starting with what will probably be a 3-4 year battle with this virus (assuming that it doesn't dissipate on its own like SARS and MERS). Perhaps there will be some lessons learned at the end of COVID-19 that will stick with us for the next time... and there will be a next time.

 

[KaraBulut]

...Can you be specific about what you propose we do in this 3-4 year period?

The CDC has two versions of the document in circulation- the original before the White House and HHS-OCR removed the recommendations for churches.

“Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework,” original version and final version.

The White House also released a similar plan - Opening Up America Again. This was the document that contained the requirement, "Downward trajectory of influenza-like illnesses (ILI) reported within a 14-day period AND Downward trajectory of covid-like syndromic cases reported within a 14-day period" that has largely been ignored.

 

[KaraBulut]

20-May-2020:

Global COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Global Cases reported: 4,922,137 (up from 4,834,449 / 1.8%) - *‬*87,688 new cases yesterday
- Global Deaths: 323,855 (up from 319,147) - **4,708 people died yesterday

US COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported in the US - 1,528,661 cases (up from 1,509,202 / 1.3% yesterday), ‬**19,459 new cases, 22.2% of world's new cases were in the US
- Yesterday's cases in NJ/NY - 2,590 (13.1%), outside NJ/NY - 17,114 (86.9%)
- Deaths reported in the US - 91,983 deaths, +1,610 deaths yesterday , 34.2% of the world's deaths yesterday were in the US
- Yesterday's Deaths in NJ/NY - 2,590 (13.1%), outside NJ/NY - 17,114 (86.9%)
- Testing: - 12,233,987 tests (up from 11,834,508 yesterday, +399,479 tests), 3.7% of the US population has been tested

NY state and NYC COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity (as of 11AM yesterday)
- Cases reported in NY state - 352,845 (up from 351,371 / +1,474)
- Persons tested in NY state - 1,467,739 (up from 1,439,557 / +28,182)- 24.0% positive rate
- Cases reported in NYC - 191,650 (up from 191,073 / +577), hospitalized
- Deaths reported in NYC - 20,887 (up from 20,806 / +81), confirmed 16,059, suspected 4,828

Coronavirus cases/deaths in active countries (preference to countries with JUB members):

• US - 1,528,661 (up from 1,509,202 / 1.3%) - 91,983 deaths
• Russia - 308,705 (up from 299,941 / 2.9%) - 2,972 deaths
• Brazil - 271,885 (up from 257,396 / 5.6%) - 17,983 deaths
• UK - 250,138 (up from 247,709 / 1.0%) - 35,422 deaths
• France - 180,933 (up from 180,051 / 0.5%) - 28,025 deaths
• Iran - 126,949 (up from 124,603 / 1.9%) - 7,183 deaths
• India - 106,886 (up from 102,287 / 4.5%) - 3,317 deaths
• Canada - 80,498 (up from 79,411 / 1.4%) - 6,028 deaths
• Mexico - 54,346 (up from 51,633 / 5.3%) - 5,666 deaths
• Netherlands - 44,647 (up from 44,449 / 0.4%) - 5,767 deaths
• Sweden - 31,523 (up from 30,799 / 2.4%) - 3,831 deaths

Coronavirus cases/deaths in recovering countries:

• Spain - 232,037 (up from 231,606 / 0.2%) - 27,888 deaths
• Italy - 226,699 (up from 225,886 / 0.4%) - 32,169 deaths
• Germany - 177,842 (up from 177,289 / 0.3%) - 8,136 deaths
• Turkey - 151,615 (up from 150,593 / 0.7%) - 4,199 deaths
• China - 84,063 (up from 84,063 / 0%) - 4,638 deaths
• Belgium - 55,983 (up from 55,791 / 0.3%) - 9,150 deaths
• Switzerland - 30,658 (up from 30,618 / 0.1%) - 1,892 deaths
• Ireland - 24,251 (up from 24,200 / 0.2%) - 1,561 deaths
• South Korea - 11,110 (up from 11,078 / 0.3%) - 263 deaths
• Japan - 16,367 (up from 16,305 / 0.4%) - 768 deaths
• Australia - 7,079 (up from 7,068 / 0.2%) - 100 deaths
• New Zealand - 1,503 (unchanged from 1,503 / 0%) - 21 deaths

Canadian Province Stats:

• Alberta - 6,716 (up from 6,683 / 0.5%) - 128 deaths
• British Columbia - 2,446 (up from 2,444 / 0.1%) - 146 deaths
• Manitoba - 290 (unchanged from 290 / 0%) - 7 deaths
• New Brunswick - 120 (unchanged from 120 / 0%) - 0 deaths
• Newfoundland/Labrador - 260 (unchanged from 260 / 0%) - 3 deaths
• Northwest Territories - 5 (unchanged from 5 / 0%) - 0 deaths
• Nova Scotia - 1,044 (up from 1,043 / 0.1%) - 56 deaths
• Ontario - 24,760 (up from 24,286 / 2.0%) - 1,919 deaths
• Quebec - 44,206 (up from 43,636 / 1.3%) - 3,647 deaths
• Prince Edward Island - 27 (unchanged from 27 / 0%) - 0 deaths
• Saskatchewan - 599 (up from 592 / 1.2%) - 6 deaths
• Yukon - 11 (unchanged from 11 / 0%) - 0 deaths

 

[rareboy]

"When we have a lot of cases, I don't look at that as a bad thing," President Trump told reporters Tuesday of the US high coronavirus case numbers. “Because it means our testing is much better. I view it as a badge of honor, really, it's a badge of honor.”


The US is currently testing at a rate of 38,718 tests per million.

Other current testing rates are here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

But at least the US is now appearing to be catching up on the testing.

It should be noted that as a result of flattening the curve in some of the other countries that the need to test has currently dropped off because people are not presenting with probable symptoms.

 

[Kyanimal]

^ If the only people tested are those with symptoms, the virus already has a jump.

We need to find it everywhere it is, so we have a chance of cutting it off "at the pass".

 

[cityboy-stl]

Well, well.

Wisconsin Woman Who Took Hydroxychloroquine for Nearly 2 Decades Contracts Coronavirus [Newsweek]

 

[rareboy]

Wednesday was a record breaking day according to the WHO with over 106,000 new cases reported.

The largest numbers were in the US, Russia and Brazil.

India also reporting increasing numbers...although it will be really hard to have any confidence in their figures...like Brazil, Russia and apparently some states now in the US, the governments are seeing the truth as an existential threat to their regimes.

 

[rareboy]

^ If the only people tested are those with symptoms, the virus already has a jump.

We need to find it everywhere it is, so we have a chance of cutting it off "at the pass".

This is an excellent point and in Canada we expect that at some point their will be sampling testing done for high risk populations or just to get a sense of the immunity level in the general population.

 

[KaraBulut]

21-May-2020:

Global COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Global Cases reported: 5,016,171 (up from 4,922,137 / 1.9%) - *‬*94,034 new cases yesterday
- Global Deaths: 328,471 (up from 323,855) - **4,616 people died yesterday

US COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported in the US - 1,551,853 cases (up from 1,528,661 / 1.5% yesterday), ‬**23,192 new cases, 24.7% of world's new cases were in the US
- Yesterday's cases in NJ/NY - 2,945 (12.7%), outside NJ/NY - 20,247 (87.3%)
- Deaths reported in the US - 93,436 deaths, +1,501 deaths yesterday , 32.5% of the world's deaths yesterday were in the US
- Yesterday's Deaths in NJ/NY - 240 (16.0%), outside NJ/NY - 1,261 (84.0%)
- Testing: - 12,647,791 tests (up from 12,233,987 yesterday, +413,804 tests), 3.8% of the US population has been tested

NY state and NYC COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity (as of 11AM yesterday)
- Cases reported in NY state - 354,370 (up from 352,845 / +1,525)
- Persons tested in NY state - 1,505,836 (up from 1,467,739 / +38,097)- 23.5% positive rate
- Cases reported in NYC - 192,374 (up from 191,650 / +724), hospitalized 50,688
- Deaths reported in NYC - 20,934 (up from 20,887 / +47), confirmed 16,153, suspected 4,781

Coronavirus cases/deaths in active countries (preference to countries with JUB members):

• US - 1,551,853 (up from 1,528,661 / +23,192 / 1.5%) - 93,606 deaths (+1,623)
• Russia - 317,554 (up from 308,705 / +8,849 / 2.9%) - 3,099 deaths (+127)
• Brazil - 291,579 (up from 271,885 / +19,694 / 7.2%) - 18,859 deaths (+876)
• UK - 252,234 (up from 250,138 / +2,096 / 0.8%) - 36,124 deaths (+702)
• France - 181,700 (up from 180,933 / +767 / 0.4%) - 28,135 deaths (+110)
• Iran - 126,949 (unchanged from 126,949 / 0.0%) - 7,249 deaths (+66) (didn't update case count today)
• India - 112,442 (up from 106,886 / +5,556 / 5.2%) - 3,465 deaths (+148)
• Canada - 81,575 (up from 80,498 / +1,077 / 1.3%) - 6,150 deaths (+122)
• Mexico - 56,594 (up from 54,346 / +2,248 / 4.1%) - 6,090 deaths (+424)
• Netherlands - 44,647 (unchanged from 44,647 / 0.0%) - 5,794 deaths (+27) (didn't update case count today)
• Sweden - 32,172 (up from 31,523 / +649 / 2.1%) - 3,871 deaths (+40)

Coronavirus cases/deaths in recovering countries:

• Spain - 232,555 (up from 232,037 / 0.2%) - 27,940 deaths (+52)
• Italy - 227,364 (up from 226,699 / 0.3%) - 32,330 deaths (+161)
• Germany - 178,545 (up from 177,842 / 0.4%) - 8,195 deaths (+59)
• Turkey - 152,587 (up from 151,615 / 0.6%) - 4,222 deaths (+23)
• China - 84,063 (up from 84,063 / 0.0%) - 4,638 deaths (+0)
• Belgium - 56,235 (up from 55,983 / 0.5%) - 9,186 deaths (+36)
• Switzerland - 30,694 (up from 30,658 / 0.1%) - 1,893 deaths (+1)
• Ireland - 24,315 (up from 24,251 / 0.3%) - 1,571 deaths (+10)
• South Korea - 11,122 (up from 11,110 / 0.1%) - 264 deaths (+1)
• Japan - 16,385 (up from 16,367 / 0.1%) - 771 deaths (+3)
• Australia - 7,081 (up from 7,079 / 0.0%) - 100 deaths (+0)
• New Zealand - 1,503 (up from 1,503 / 0.0%) - 21 deaths (+0)

Canadian Province Stats:

• Alberta - 6,735 (up from 6,716 / 0.3%) - 128 deaths
• British Columbia - 2,467 (up from 2,446 / 0.9%) - 149 deaths
• Manitoba - 290 (unchanged from 290 / 0%) - 7 deaths
• New Brunswick - 120 (unchanged from 120 / 0%) - 0 deaths
• Newfoundland/Labrador - 260 (unchanged from 260 / 0%) - 3 deaths
• Northwest Territories - 5 (unchanged from 5 / 0%) - 0 deaths
• Nova Scotia - 1,045 (up from 1,044 / 0.1%) - 57 deaths
• Ontario - 25,197 (up from 24,760 / 1.8%) - 1,962 deaths
• Quebec - 44,784 (up from 44,206 / 1.3%) - 3,718 deaths
• Prince Edward Island - 27 (unchanged from 27 / 0%) - 0 deaths
• Saskatchewan - 620 (up from 599 / 3.5%) - 6 deaths
• Yukon - 11 (unchanged from 11 / 0%) - 0 deaths

 

[Telstra]

I have not seen all the US government officials doing this yet in a hall, have you ?

 

[KaraBulut]

Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

...The Winter Party still happened in Miami as if nothing were happening in Florida, even though the mayor of Miami was at home in quarantine because he was exposed last weekend and has mild cold symptoms.

A followup from this 16-March post. A month after this post, the reports were that 3 attendees of the Miami Winter Party in March died and at least 80 people contracted COVID-19.

One of the guys who got sick- a nurse from San Francisco- put some posts out on social media. He spent 6 weeks in the ICU.