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On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

rareboy said:
Oh Shit. This isn't good. You were wondering what direction this virus would take?
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About a month ago, there was a discussion in this thread about mutation and how viruses tend to mutate toward increased infectiousness and lower mortality. There was also a discussion about how SARS-CoV-2 has a spike protein on its surface that it uses to infect human cells and the virus' dependence on that spike to infect humans limits its ability to mutate because a mutation that affects the spike also affects the infectiousness.

That is what is happening- the virus has mutated on its spike in a way to make it more contagious. The studies are saying that the new mutated virus (G614) is more contagious but the new strain is not less lethal; it can still make people very sick.

The vaccines being developed were based upon the older strain (D614) of the virus. Now that it has mutated and the US has managed to allow nearly 3 million people to be infected, the vaccine researchers are going to have to ensure that their vaccine works on the new strain (G614).

Study confirms new version of coronavirus spreads faster, but doesn't make people sicker [CNN]
A global study has found strong evidence that a new form of the coronavirus has spread from Europe to the US. The new mutation makes the virus more likely to infect people but does not seem to make them any sicker than earlier variations of the virus, an international team of researchers reported Thursday...

The study, published in the journal Cell, confirms earlier work suggesting the mutation had made the new variant of virus more common. The researchers call the new mutation G614, and they show that it has almost completely replaced the first version to spread in Europe and the US, one called D614...

"Our global tracking data show that the G614 variant in Spike has spread faster than D614," theoretical biologist Bette Korber of Los Alamos National Laboratory and colleagues wrote in their report. "We interpret this to mean that the virus is likely to be more infectious," they added. "Interestingly, we did not find evidence of G614 impact on disease severity."

This could be good news, said Lawrence Young, a professor of medical oncology at the UK's University of Warwick, who was not involved in the study.

"The current work suggests that while the G614 variant may be more infectious, it is not more pathogenic. There is a hope that as SARS-CoV-2 infection spreads, the virus might become less pathogenic," he said in a statement.
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On the vaccine front, the news is good. Several vaccines being tested on humans have triggered an immune response and some of the vaccines triggered the test subjects to produce antibodies in equal or greater amounts than people who contracted COVID-19.

In Congressional testimony this week, Senators pressed the HHS and FDA for answers. The officials were evasive about the government's involvement to help fund the vaccine efforts- saying only that the US was involved in "more than one" of the vaccine development efforts. The official from the HHS did say that he felt that a vaccine would be available by the end of the year... although other experts like Fauci have not been that optimistic when asked about the vaccine prior to the Congressional hearing.

One important thing that is mentioned in the article below: the WHO is coordinating and collecting data on over 100 vaccine trials going on across the globe. The person sitting in the Oval Office has announced that he is withdrawing the US from the WHO and that will affect the US' ability to be an active participant in vaccine development. If a country in the WHO, like China, develops a successful vaccine, our lack of participation in the WHO research efforts may also affect our ability to get a vaccine for our citizens.

Coronavirus vaccines: 'Encouraging' early data for some, a trial delay for another and more research ahead [CNN]
Scientists around the world are racing to develop Covid-19 vaccines and there's news almost daily about steps forward -- this week, there was "encouraging" preliminary data for some vaccine candidates and word from top health officials that the United States could be on track to have a vaccine by the end of the year...

In the United States, some questions remain around the nation's Operation Warp Speed program -- and no specific answers were given in a US Senate Appropriations hearing on Thursday about which companies and how many Covid-19 vaccine candidates are in or being considered for the program.

When Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin asked for details about the vaccine prospects, Gary Disbrow, acting director of the US Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, said he couldn't divulge that information yet -- but hopes to announce the entire portfolio soon.
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rareboy said:
We are horrified by what we see south of the border.....
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^ We're horrified by what's going on inside our borders. And, that's in addition to the virus! #-o

Hopefully, there will be enough of us maskers left, by November's elections, to start to fix most of the damage that's been done in such a short time. Not that sure about the covid part, though.
 
rareboy said:
...We are horrified by what we see south of the border.....
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It's not much fun being stuck in the middle of it. It's like seeing the HIV bugchasers merging into the Christian end-timers. The Cult of Donald Trump has become the Death Cult of Donald Trump. I don't know if we can wait out another 5 months to see him packing. At the current rate, that would be 10 million more cases and 160,000 more dead in the US by the time we can get him out of the White House.
 
3-Jul-2020:

Global COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Global Cases reported: 10,920,457 (up from 10,729,336 / 1.8%) - *‬*191,121 new cases yesterday
- Global Deaths: 522,385 (up from 517,052) - **5,333 people died yesterday

US COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported in the US - 2,753,754 cases (up from 2,688,246 / 2.4% yesterday), ‬**65,508 new cases, 34.3% of world's new cases were in the US
- Yesterday's cases in NJ/NY - 1,303 (2.3%), outside NJ/NY - 54,240 (97.7%)
- Deaths reported in the US - 128,871 deaths, 767 deaths yesterday , 14.4% of the world's deaths yesterday were in the US
- Yesterday's Deaths in NJ/NY - 50 (6.2%), outside NJ/NY - 757 (93.8%)
- Testing: - 33,462,181 tests (up from 32,827,359 yesterday, +634,822 tests), 10.1% of the US population has been tested, 8.2% positive rate

Coronavirus cases/deaths in active countries (preference to countries with JUB members):
  • US: 2,753,754 (up from 2,688,246 / +65,508 / 2.4%) - 128,871 deaths (+767)
  • Brazil: 1,496,858 (up from 1,448,753 / +48,105 / 3.3%) - 61,884 deaths (+1,252)
  • Russia: 666,941 (up from 660,231 / +6,710 / 1.0%) - 9,844 deaths (+176)
  • India: 625,544 (up from 604,641 / +20,903 / 3.5%) - 18,213 deaths (+379)
  • Mexico: 238,511 (up from 231,770 / +6,741 / 2.9%) - 29,189 deaths (+679)
  • Iran : 235,429 (up from 232,863 / +2,566 / 1.1%) - 11,260 deaths (+154)
  • Turkey: 202,284 (up from 201,098 / +1,186 / 0.6%) - 5,167 deaths (+17)
  • Sweden: 71,419 (up from 70,639 / +780 / 1.1%) - 5,420 deaths (+9)
Coronavirus cases/deaths in recovering countries:
  • UK : 285,787 (up from 314,992 / -29,205[sup]1[/sup] / -9.3%) - 44,216 deaths (+225)
  • Spain : 250,545 (up from 249,659 / +886 / 0.4%) - 28,385 deaths (+22)
  • Italy : 241,184 (up from 240,760 / +424 / 0.2%) - 34,833 deaths (+45)
  • France : 203,640 (up from 203,640 / +0 / 0.0%) - 29,878 deaths (+0)
  • Germany : 196,759 (up from 196,370 / +389 / 0.2%) - 9,012 deaths (+8)
  • Canada : 106,654 (up from 106,288 / +366 / 0.3%) - 8,700 deaths (+22)
  • China: 84,830 (up from 84,825 / +5 / 0.0%) - 4,641 deaths (+0)
  • Belgium: 61,727 (up from 61,598 / +129 / 0.2%) - 9,765 deaths (+4)
  • Netherlands : 50,546 (up from 50,545 / +1 / 0.0%) - 6,132 deaths (+0)
  • Switzerland : 32,101 (up from 31,967 / +134 / 0.4%) - 1,965 deaths (+0)
  • Ireland: 25,489 (up from 25,477 / +12 / 0.0%) - 1,738 deaths (+0)
  • Japan: 19,175 (up from 18,934 / +241 / 1.3%) - 977 deaths (+0)
  • South Korea : 12,967 (up from 12,904 / +63 / 0.5%) - 282 deaths (+0)
  • Australia : 8,255 (up from 8,001 / +254 / 3.2%) - 104 deaths (+0)
  • New Zealand: 1,530 (up from 1,530 / +0 / 0.0%) - 22 deaths (+0)

[sup]1[/sup] - The UK removed about 29,000 positive tests that had been duplicated between NHS workers and the overall count of UK citizens tested.
 
We saw stories like this from Italy. Now it's the US, only it's just beginning and will get much worse.




Dr Dellavolpe featured in the story was an Air Force physician and he served in theater in Iraq. He's saying this is worse.
 
KaraBulut said:
We saw stories like this from Italy. Now it's the US, only it's just beginning and will get much worse.


Dr Dellavolpe featured in the story was an Air Force physician and he served in theater in Iraq. He's saying this is worse.
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This is how bad I feared it would get back in the early days. I thought that North America would learn from Spain and Italy and do everything possible to avoid this unnecessary crisis in the health care system.

But I am fascinated by the oxygenation of blood versus ventilation.
 
rareboy said:
...But I am fascinated by the oxygenation of blood versus ventilation.
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That they are using ECMO before mechanical ventilation was a big surprise to me, too. Once upon a time, ECMO was only used in neonates and was rarely used in adults.

It's been an interesting finding. Because of the loss of compliance and the fibrosis in ARDS, it requires increasing pressures from the ventilator to oxygenate ARDS patients. The high pressures cause barotrauma which damages the aveoli and can cause pneumothorax. There were questions whether the disease process was killing ARDS patients or whether it was the treatments that killed them. If ECMO does increase survivability compared to mechanical ventilation, that may change the way ARDS is treated in the future.

All of this has to be a nightmare for the nursing staff. Typical staffing in the ICU is 1 nurse for every 2 patients. When you start adding ECMO and other advanced treatment, the ideal staffing can become 2 nurses to 1 patient. In NYC, there was speculation whether the shortage of ICU and ED nurses may have increased the mortality of COVID-19 patients in March and April. It reached the point that the hospitals in NYC were using medical students and new graduate nurses who did not have their licenses yet.
 
4-Jul-2020:

Global COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Global Cases reported: 11,099,332 (up from 10,920,457 / 1.6%) - *‬*178,875 new cases yesterday
- Global Deaths: 526,222 (up from 522,385) - **3,837 people died yesterday

US COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported in the US - 2,795,163 cases (up from 2,753,754 / 1.5% yesterday), ‬**41,409 new cases, 23.1% of world's new cases were in the US
- Yesterday's cases in NJ/NY - 1,304 (2.4%), outside NJ/NY - 54,050 (97.6%)
- Deaths reported in the US - 129,509 deaths, 638 deaths yesterday , 16.6% of the world's deaths yesterday were in the US
- Yesterday's Deaths in NJ/NY - 130 (21.4%), outside NJ/NY - 477 (78.6%)
- Testing: - 34,213,497 tests (up from 33,462,181 yesterday, +751,316 tests), 10.4% of the US population has been tested, 8.2% positive rate

Coronavirus cases/deaths in active countries (preference to countries with JUB members):
  • US: 2,795,163 (up from 2,753,754 / +41,409 / 1.5%) - 129,509 deaths (+638)
  • Brazil: 1,539,081 (up from 1,496,858 / +42,223 / 2.8%) - 61,884 deaths (+0)
  • Russia: 673,564 (up from 666,941 / +6,623 / 1.0%) - 10,011 deaths (+167)
  • India: 648,315 (up from 625,544 / +22,771 / 3.6%) - 18,655 deaths (+442)
  • Mexico: 245,251 (up from 238,511 / +6,740 / 2.8%) - 29,843 deaths (+654)
  • Iran : 235,429 (up from 235,429 / +0 / 0.0%) - 11,408 deaths (+148)
  • Turkey: 203,456 (up from 202,284 / +1,172 / 0.6%) - 5,186 deaths (+19)
  • Sweden: 71,419 (up from 71,419 / +0 / 0.0%) - 5,420 deaths (+0) - (no update)
Coronavirus cases/deaths in recovering countries:
  • UK : 285,788 (up from 285,787 / +1 / 0.0%) - 44,216 deaths (+0)
  • Spain : 250,545 (up from 250,545 / +0 / 0.0%) - 28,385 deaths (+0)
  • Italy : 241,184 (up from 241,184 / +0 / 0.0%) - 34,854 deaths (+21)
  • France : 204,222 (up from 203,640 / +582 / 0.3%) - 29,896 deaths (+18)
  • Germany : 197,184 (up from 196,759 / +425 / 0.2%) - 9,019 deaths (+7)
  • Canada : 106,962 (up from 106,654 / +308 / 0.3%) - 8,732 deaths (+32)
  • China: 84,839 (up from 84,830 / +9 / 0.0%) - 4,641 deaths (+0)
  • Belgium: 61,727 (up from 61,727 / +0 / 0.0%) - 9,771 deaths (+6)
  • Netherlands : 50,547 (up from 50,546 / +1 / 0.0%) - 6,132 deaths (+0)
  • Switzerland : 32,101 (up from 32,101 / +0 / 0.0%) - 1,965 deaths (+0)
  • Ireland: 25,498 (up from 25,489 / +9 / 0.0%) - 1,749 deaths (+11)
  • Japan: 19,431 (up from 19,175 / +256 / 1.3%) - 977 deaths (+0)
  • South Korea : 13,030 (up from 12,967 / +63 / 0.5%) - 283 deaths (+1)
  • Australia : 8,362 (up from 8,255 / +107 / 1.3%) - 104 deaths (+0)
  • New Zealand: 1,530 (up from 1,530 / +0 / 0.0%) - 22 deaths (+0)
 
Meanwhile, down a rabbit hole in Ohio ...




When I first started dipping into la Popper's videos a couple of years ago I thought she was a breath of fresh air, even though I don't subscribe to her "PBWF" diet flannel; then it dawned on me that she was in fact a swivel-eyed old crow in a tinfoil hat. She's been getting very vocal about the "fake" pandemic which has been invented by the US Government to control and oppress the people. Take a look at the titles of her videos from the past few weeks: https://www.youtube.com/user/drpamsnewschannel

The trouble is, after watching several of them I'm starting to believe she's the only person who's telling the truth. You know what these rabbit holes are like. Here is her Fourth of July address to the nation. Do watch the whole thing and note the direction it takes at 6:37.




I read (can't remember where) that she "has a desk" in the office of one of Ohio's state legislators, which presumably means that she has the ear of someone in authority. Almost all the interviews and articles I've seen about her seem to originate from her admirers. There is so little negative criticism it makes me think her public image is very tightly controlled. She disables the comments on her videos, she says it's because she often gets death threats.

Is she as well known in the USA as her own publicity suggests? Is she taken seriously?
 
Meanwhile, down under, the state of Victoria in Australia is seeing a spike. From near elimination a couple of weeks ago, to over 100 new cases yesterday. Apparently security guards put in charge of quarantining new arrivals from overseas were lax and easily bribed and allowed those in isolation to mingle, and the guards took the virus back to their communities.
 
Essex Boy said:
Meanwhile, down a rabbit hole in Ohio ...




When I first started dipping into la Popper's videos a couple of years ago I thought she was a breath of fresh air, even though I don't subscribe to her "PBWF" diet flannel; then it dawned on me that she was in fact a swivel-eyed old crow in a tinfoil hat. She's been getting very vocal about the "fake" pandemic which has been invented by the US Government to control and oppress the people. Take a look at the titles of her videos from the past few weeks: https://www.youtube.com/user/drpamsnewschannel

The trouble is, after watching several of them I'm starting to believe she's the only person who's telling the truth. You know what these rabbit holes are like. Here is her Fourth of July address to the nation. Do watch the whole thing and note the direction it takes at 6:37.




I read (can't remember where) that she "has a desk" in the office of one of Ohio's state legislators, which presumably means that she has the ear of someone in authority. Almost all the interviews and articles I've seen about her seem to originate from her admirers. There is so little negative criticism it makes me think her public image is very tightly controlled. She disables the comments on her videos, she says it's because she often gets death threats.

Is she as well known in the USA as her own publicity suggests? Is she taken seriously?
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She has been debunked again and again.

She is either nuttier than squirrel shit...or another person who knows how to manipulate a gullible and ill educated public in order to cash in.

She is nowhere near the celebrity she thinks she is.
 
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And this is why England won't be able to have nice things.

SOHO on July 4th.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/07/..._viH1J0oo6yEpfTqDC1V6nIVdgHJ37bo947iqvzfA1iEs

Just gonna point out that the UK with 651 deaths per million has one of the highest rates in the world.
 
Essex Boy said:
Is she as well known in the USA as her own publicity suggests? Is she taken seriously?
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I'm from Ohio and I've never heard of her. But then again I'm not following right wing paranoia propaganda pages.
 
rareboy said:
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And this is why England won't be able to have nice things.

SOHO on July 4th.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/07/..._viH1J0oo6yEpfTqDC1V6nIVdgHJ37bo947iqvzfA1iEs

Just gonna point out that the UK with 651 deaths per million has one of the highest rates in the world.
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On the left is G-A-Y @ Heaven. Back in March, the owner, Jeremy Joseph, tweeted at Boris Johnson complaining about the wishy-washy policy on pubs (this was before BoJo's days of hypoxic pneumonia when BoJo was an advocate of "herd immunity"):
@BorisJohnson – YOU ARE A CUNT
Telling People to avoid pubs, restaurants & theatres but not closing them, in other words, Unofficially closing venues but making sure Government isnt liable for staff To get sick pay

— Jeremy Joseph G-A-Y (@JeremyJoseph) March 16, 2020
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Quote of the day comes from the Police Federation:

"A predictably busy night and confirmed what we knew, alcohol and social distancing is not a good combination," tweeted John Apter, national chairman of the Police Federation, a staff association for police in England and Wales.

Apter, who was on duty in the southern England city of Southampton, said he and colleagues had dealt with "happy drunks, angry drunks, fights" and antisocial behavior. "What was crystal clear is that drunk people can't/won't socially distance," he said.
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5-Jul-2020:

Global COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Global Cases reported: 11,317,637 (up from 11,099,332 / 1.0%) - *‬*218,305 new cases yesterday
- Global Deaths: 531,729 (up from 526,222) - **5,507 people died yesterday

US COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported in the US - 2,852,807 cases (up from 2,795,163 / 2.1% yesterday), ‬**57,644 new cases, 26.4% of world's new cases were in the US
- Yesterday's cases in NJ/NY - 1,550 (3.5%), outside NJ/NY - 42,149 (96.5%)
- Deaths reported in the US - 129,718 deaths, 209 deaths yesterday , 3.8% of the world's deaths yesterday were in the US
- Yesterday's Deaths in NJ/NY - 45 (18.8%), outside NJ/NY - 195 (81.3%)
- Testing: - 34,858,427 tests (up from 34,213,497 yesterday, +644,930 tests), 10.6% of the US population has been tested, 8.2% positive rate

Coronavirus cases/deaths in active countries (preference to countries with JUB members):
  • US: 2,852,807 (up from 2,795,163 / +57,644 / 2.1%) - 129,718 deaths (+209)
  • Brazil: 1,577,004 (up from 1,539,081 / +37,923 / 2.5%) - 64,265 deaths (+2,381)
  • Russia: 680,283 (up from 673,564 / +6,719 / 1.0%) - 10,145 deaths (+134)
  • India: 673,165 (up from 648,315 / +24,850 / 3.8%) - 19,268 deaths (+613)
  • UK : 286,931 (up from 285,788 / +1,143 / 0.4%) - 44,305 deaths (+89)
  • Mexico: 252,165 (up from 245,251 / +6,914 / 2.8%) - 30,366 deaths (+523)
  • Iran : 240,438 (up from 235,429 / +5,009 / 2.1%) - 11,571 deaths (+163)
  • Turkey: 204,610 (up from 203,456 / +1,154 / 0.6%) - 5,206 deaths (+20)
  • Sweden: 71,419 (up from 71,419 / +0 / 0.0%) - 5,420 deaths (+0)
Coronavirus cases/deaths in recovering countries:
  • Spain : 250,545 (up from 250,545 / +0 / 0.0%) - 28,385 deaths (+0)
  • Italy : 241,611 (up from 241,184 / +427 / 0.2%) - 34,861 deaths (+7)
  • France : 204,222 (up from 204,222 / +0 / 0.0%) - 29,896 deaths (+0)
  • Germany : 197,399 (up from 197,184 / +215 / 0.1%) - 9,023 deaths (+4)
  • Canada : 107,197 (up from 106,962 / +235 / 0.2%) - 8,732 deaths (+0)
  • China: 84,858 (up from 84,839 / +19 / 0.0%) - 4,641 deaths (+0)
  • Belgium: 61,838 (up from 61,727 / +111 / 0.2%) - 9,771 deaths (+0)
  • Netherlands : 50,548 (up from 50,547 / +1 / 0.0%) - 6,132 deaths (+0)
  • Switzerland : 32,268 (up from 32,101 / +167 / 0.5%) - 1,965 deaths (+0)
  • Ireland: 25,509 (up from 25,498 / +11 / 0.0%) - 1,741 deaths (+-8)
  • Japan: 19,667 (up from 19,431 / +236 / 1.2%) - 977 deaths (+0)
  • South Korea : 13,091 (up from 13,030 / +61 / 0.5%) - 283 deaths (+0)
  • Australia : 8,449 (up from 8,362 / +87 / 1.0%) - 104 deaths (+0)
  • New Zealand: 1,533 (up from 1,530 / +3 / 0.2%) - 22 deaths (+0)
 
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