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On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

^ I got my second bival booster (Moderna) today. Walmart asked for my insurance info but didn't charge anything, so I am assuming Medicare covered it. I have an Advantage plan. I thought, with another variant (Arcturus) sticking up its ugly head, it was a good idea to get the shot.
 
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If I'm reading my card right, I've had five shots so far, so I don't know where that leaves me.
So, the key word to focus upon is "bivalent":
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You had 5 shots- check the dates on your vaccine record. Any shots that you got before September, 2022 were the original vaccine. Any shots you got after September, 2022 were the bivalent vaccine.

The April 2023 recommendation allows those over 65 years old to get a second bivalent vaccine as a booster. If you received two boosters after September, 2022, the I would recommend checking with the clinic as to whether both were bivalent.
 
So, the key word to focus upon is "bivalent":
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You had 5 shots- check the dates on your vaccine record. Any shots that you got before September, 2022 were the original vaccine. Any shots you got after September, 2022 were the bivalent vaccine.

The April 2023 recommendation allows those over 65 years old to get a second bivalent vaccine as a booster. If you received two boosters after September, 2022, the I would recommend checking with the clinic as to whether both were bivalent.
I'm going to have to call the clinic anyway; I can't read the date on the final one! But all the rest were before September '22.
 
Got biopsy results this morning and I'm a bit angry with my doctors of the last three years because I've kept asking them to figure out what the itchy/burning spot of my forehead was but it took getting this latest new doctor (who is cuter than heck, BTW) for one to say, Okay, let's do a biopsy and see what that spot is. I had a strange reaction after the biopsy last week, dizziness and sleepiness (I took two unintended naps during the day, just fell asleep at my computer) and serious pain in my neck. Anyway, the results came in and the spot that has been annoying the heck out of me for probably five years turns out to be basal cell carcinoma -- yay.

So since I was at the clinic I insisted on knowing when my last shot was and what kind (this after asking the same thing by phone since last Thursday) and got an answer: bivalent, 10/26/2022. I asked if I should get another shot and they said they'll pass that to my main doctor.
 
So sorry about your basal cell carcinoma, Kuli :therethere: I went thru similar with a spot on my right cheek back in 2002, about the size of an english pea. The surgeon who removed it commented afterwards that if I had waited any longer, they would have had to put me in the hospital to remove it, instead of day surgery. Luckily for me, the scar aligns with a smile line; and, isn't noticible :=D:
 
I got two messages: I can wait and have the cancer spot dealt with here when their specialist comes in next month, or I can go to Portland


How long a drive is Portland from the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast?
 
I was out walking Knox when I realized we were just a couple of blocks from the clinic, so I went ahead and got my second bivalent. If my previous experience is an indicator, I will be miserable most of the holiday weekend -- as far as I'm concerned, it's a great time to be miserable because I try to avoid all the crowds anyway!

While I was getting the shot the doc noticed the biopsy site was bleeding, so he swabbed it and put on a new bandaid, with orders to just take it east a few days, I presume because sweat on my forehead and temple is what loosened the previous bandaid and started the bleeding again.
 
I was out walking Knox when I realized we were just a couple of blocks from the clinic, so I went ahead and got my second bivalent. If my previous experience is an indicator, I will be miserable most of the holiday weekend -- as far as I'm concerned, it's a great time to be miserable because I try to avoid all the crowds anyway!
I got my second bivalent shot about 10 days ago. I had the least reaction to this shot than to any of them. My arm was a little sore and warm where I received the shot and I felt some fatigue for a few days, but I had no fever like the previous shots nor anything else. So I'm taking that as a good sign. Maybe you will have a lesser reaction as well. Good Luck.
 
Woke up about 7:15 this morning feeling feverish and weak plus somewhat disoriented. Since then nausea and a serious headache have joined in. Managed to drink something and get back to sleep; woke up again about 10 a.m. which is when the headache hit.

What's odd is when I go outside where the temperature is cool, the headache fades and weakness gets worse; when I went to the bathroom where it's warmer the feverish feeling and nausea get magnified.
It's nowhere as bad as the last shot, but it's pretty darned debilitating!
 
Multiple sclerosis is an auto-immune disease.

There's multiple studies that link viral infections with MS (e.g. mononucleosis), either as a triggering cause or as a trigger for relapse in people previously diagnosed with MS. This includes infection with COVID-19.

Because MS is triggered by auto-immune reactions, many physicians avoid giving ALL immunizations to people with MS who are in the midst of an exacerbation.

So, when I read this study, I'm not surprised that all of the COVID-19 vaccines (not just the mRNA vaccines) triggered auto-immune reactions in those who might be prone to them. But again, getting COVID-19 (the virus) would be likely to trigger the same response: the estimates are that about 10-25% of people who contracted COVID-19 had sustained "long-COVID" syndromes and there were multiple reports in the literature of people with MS having relapses after their COVID-19 infection.

And as previously mentioned, Dr. John Campbell has a clinical doctorate in Nursing and no training in virology, immunology or a specialty that would make him qualified to discuss these topics.
 
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Great -- one more thing to feed my stress.
When I was learning about interpreting research, one of the things that we were always taught to be careful about is confirmation bias.

The example that is often used is throwing a newspaper at a dog when they're doing something bad. As long as the dog doesn't see the source of the newspaper, the dog begins to believe, "When I pee on the rug, a newspaper will fall out of the sky and hit me in the head, therefore to avoid getting in the head by a newspaper, I should not pee on the rug". Just because two events happen, it doesn't mean that there's an actual relationship between the two events or that one causes the other.

If I were to read a study that said that, "We found cases where people who received the COVID-19 vaccine were later diagnosed with multiple sclerosis", I might conclude that the vaccine caused COVID-19.

What is missing are some related questions:
  • What is the incidence of MS in the general population? What is the incidence of MS in the group of people who got the vaccine? The answer is about 1 in 333 people have MS. That's a pretty high incidence, even before COVID-19 was discovered in 2020.
  • What was the size of the population in the studies? One of the studies that was cited had 5 patients. When that study was published in Jan, 2022, over 9 BILLION people had received COVID-19 vaccines worldwide.
  • Was there an explainable physiological cause that would explain why a COVID-19 might trigger MS in someone who had not previously been vaccinated? Did the population of people who developed MS have another possible causes in common (i.e. did they have mono? did they receive other vaccines like the flu vaccine? Did they have another viral infection during that period?).

Experts in auto-immune diseases and neurological disease had similar questions to my questions. And they concluded that the link between COVID-19 vaccines and multiple sclerosis was likely to be rare, random and weak. They also pointed out the same thing that I did: people who get COVID-19 infections are more likely to develop MS than people who received the COVID-19 vaccines.

 
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When I was learning about interpreting research, one of the things that we were always taught to be careful about is confirmation bias.

The example that is often used is throwing a newspaper at a dog when they're doing something bad. As long as the dog doesn't see the source of the newspaper, the dog begins to believe, "When I pee on the rug, a newspaper will fall out of the sky and hit me in the head, therefore to avoid getting in the head by a newspaper, I should not pee on the rug". Just because two events happen, it doesn't mean that there's an actual relationship between the two events or that one causes the other.

If I were to read a study that said that, "We found cases where people who received the COVID-19 vaccine were later diagnosed with multiple sclerosis", I might conclude that the vaccine caused COVID-19.

What is missing are some related questions:
  • What is the incidence of MS in the general population? What is the incidence of MS in the group of people who got the vaccine? The answer is about 1 in 333 people have MS. That's a pretty high incidence, even before COVID-19 was discovered in 2020.
  • What was the size of the population in the studies? One of the studies that was cited had 5 patients. When that study was published in Jan, 2022, over 9 BILLION people had received COVID-19 vaccines worldwide.
  • Was there an explainable physiological cause that would explain why a COVID-19 might trigger MS in someone who had not previously been vaccinated? Did the population of people who developed MS have another possible causes in common (i.e. did they have mono? did they receive other vaccines like the flu vaccine? Did they have another viral infection during that period?).

Experts in auto-immune diseases and neurological disease had similar questions to my questions. And they concluded that the link between COVID-19 vaccines and multiple sclerosis was likely to be rare, random and weak. They also pointed out the same thing that I did: people who get COVID-19 infections are more likely to develop MS than people who received the COVID-19 vaccines.

Jeeze fuck thats all I need MS fuck that!
 
  • What was the size of the population in the studies? One of the studies that was cited had 5 patients. When that study was published in Jan, 2022, over 9 BILLION people had received COVID-19 vaccines worldwide.
I assume that's the number of jabs that have been given worldwide, with many people having multiple jabs. 9 billion is more than the total number of people on the planet.

My history goes like this:
ORIGINAL TWO MODERNA VAXES: both done in Indiana in early 2021. The Illinois rollout was an untenable, impossible zoo, like trying for good Rolling Stones tickets.
FIRST BOOSTER PFIZER: done in New Jersey late 2021.
SECOND BOOSTER MODERNA: in Florida, spring 2022.
FIRST BIVALENT: in Hannibal, Missouri, September 2022.
SECOND BIVALENT: in Fresno, California May 2, 2023.

In other words, FIVE different states, none of which I have ever lived in, lol.
 
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