22 Navy SEALs killed in Afghanistan today

[JayQueer]

Just,fucking whoa..Slow that Mustang down, hero,This is a residential neighborhood..

Just kidding.I agree with everything you said and wholeheartedly support calling the average right wing scumbag on their shit.Just like you did.

You'll notice something here,and in real life,if you haven't already.That the most vociferous supporters of the military/war are right wingers who'd rather be beaten with a pipe than,you know,actually serve.

There are ONLY THREE RIGHT WINGERS on this board I respect.TWO put their money where their mouth is (joe,john).I'm pretty sure they both know I respect them.The other one is a good guy,but he needs to think outside The Post...(bryan)

There are many,many,patriotic Americans with bum knees among these people.But like newborn babies,the recently discharged veteran has nothing coming from these punks. They love the fetus,but hate the baby.They ''support the troops'',but -hate the veteran..


Thanks for taking the time to call them out..You're a REAL AMERICAN!

I'm just a gay person who happens to have traditional, conservative views. I don't understand why people go off the deep end when they hear that.

 

[BostonPirate]

 

[degrandm]

You second.

I served my country.

And from what I've read if you dislike that nasty little Republican Suburb that you live in, then get the fuck out and ENLIST!

I don't know if you've heard this or not but Obama made it possible for Queers to serve in the military now!

Unlike under Bush were 'the single most important thing is to find and fight terrorists, where they might be,' just right after we get through kicking the fags out of the military.

Wow!

You are a piece of work JayQueer!

First time since I've been a member of JUB that I've EVER seen a Republican/Conservative even give a shit about about the 6,000+ Americans to come back in body bags since Bush43 Declared MISSION ACCOMPLISHED on the Deck of the United States Aircraft Carrier Abraham Lincoln, anchored just off of the California Coast, not far from San Diego.

So yeah, I'll support you like a brother if you take down your American Flag that flies year round, properly fold it up, put it into your book bag and head off to your nearest recruiting station, and ENLIST!

You want to be a Republican Conservative, then put your LIFE where your mouth is.

Who knows, you might lose some weight, find yourself along with your self worth, and be the pride of your family, and your subdivision.

you are so wright this is not about Bush or Obama its about the 22 brave men. who gave there life for us. as i have done my time in the army i say thank you to all who are or have served

 

[Seasoned]

Anyone here an American first and a Dem or Repub second?

 

[JayQueer]

Anyone here an American first and a Dem or Repub second?

Me! I'm not registered with either party. I'm proud to be an American.

 

[BostonPirate]

Anyone here an American first and a Dem or Repub second?

I am neither dem Nor repub. not interested.

Anyone out there willing to challenge my devotion to my nation?

 

[BostonPirate]

Me! I'm not registered with either party. I'm proud to be an American.

what the hell are you talking about?

 

[Knucklehead]

What's pathetic is your assumption that he can't be patriotic because he isn't in service. His heart is in the right place and that's good enough.

Or perhaps you'd care to regale us with your battlefield exploits, from the Great White North?

Do us all a favor, stow it!

No 'Jack'- how about a real page turner-how about the exploits of an average, raised in N.J guy who fought for his country/their motves and came back to the neighborhood to raise high the GOP flag..

How's a guy like him treated,a guy that done his bit,however horrific,and just wants what he thought he was fighting for?

I guess he's fucked ,ehh?

 

[andysayshi]

What's pathetic is your assumption that he can't be patriotic because he isn't in service. His heart is in the right place and that's good enough.

Or perhaps you'd care to regale us with your battlefield exploits, from the Great White North?

Do us all a favor, stow it!

I beg to differ, Jack. The US has stop-lossed military personnel on their 6th and 7th tours of the Middle Eastern wars because they cannot be replaced regularly enough.

Any able-bodied man who claims to support their nation's militarism, but isn't prepared to stand with the men and women of their military, is a coward and/or hypocrite.

 

[Just_Believe18]

While you guys argue on who can masturbate themselves the hardest, I'm taking a moment to pause on the deaths of these servicemen. I've already lost a buddy to these damn wars. I can only imagine the pain each and every one of these families are experiencing. Iraq has left a hole in my heart.

What a tragedy...

 

[Knucklehead]

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Anyone out there willing to challenge my devotion to my nation?

Nope.See you on the barricades.Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

 

[JayHawk]

While you guys argue on who can masturbate themselves the hardest, I'm taking a moment to pause on the deaths of these servicemen. I've already lost a buddy to these damn wars. I can only imagine the pain each and every one of these families are experiencing. Iraq has left a hole in my heart.

What a tragedy...

This...........

 

[rareboy]

I stand by my earlier post and I see that a number of others do as well.

If some guys love the American flag so much that they wrap themselves in it, they should be willing to come back home with it draped over them.

But at least Jayqueer and a whole bunch of Americans like Bush Jr. now have something in common.

 

[RonR18]

Did you guys hear this?

The Taliban shot down a helicopter carrying 22 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six (the same guys who killed Osama Bin Laden) in Afghanistan today. 31 people died in total. This was clearly done by the Taliban to avenge Bin Laden's death. No doubt they are celebrating right now.

It is the biggest single deadliest incident since the war on Afghanistan began in 2001.

This is just so sad

My thoughts & prayers are with their families, and all of our military men in harms way.......

http://www.stripes.com/31-american-...7-afghans-killed-in-helicopter-crash-1.151345

RE: This was clearly done by the Taliban to avenge Bin Laden's death.

That statement is totally absurd, as you're in-effect saying that if Bin Laden hadn't been killed, the Taliban wouldn't have been trying to shoot down U.S. military helicopters. Although I'm sure it gives "aid and comfort" to the enemy for Americans to publish such nonsensical propaganda.

RE: No doubt they are celebrating right now.

At the risk of coming across as sarcastic, duh. They've "no doubt" been celebrating every time they kill Americans, so what else is new?

 

[BostonPirate]

While you guys argue on who can masturbate themselves the hardest, I'm taking a moment to pause on the deaths of these servicemen. I've already lost a buddy to these damn wars. I can only imagine the pain each and every one of these families are experiencing. Iraq has left a hole in my heart.

What a tragedy...

let me tell you a little story pussycat.

I host families of the soldeirs deployed at my home that have kids. I help caring for them. I help care for their dads when they come home, and that is a painful process. These guys are facing extraoridinarily harsh conditions and are coming home damaged mentally to kids hungering for their daddies to be there.

One guy slept in the car in front of my house for six months when he came back, even though I had set his wife and kids up in a nice place of their own. You ever have to explain why its OK for a marine with PTSD to live in your driveway? he is better and with medication and therapy, he has excelled.

I am offended that some believe I cannot care for the troops while speaking out against those using them for profit and gain. Oh I care for the troops, and and what offends ME?? What offends ME is this thread, and its obvious attempts to slam the president by saying this was retribution, when these men died trying to save americans and UN soldiers that were in need of help.

From the beginning this thread was a political tool, and even the comment that we should care first about the soldiers is a shaming tool designed to stop real discussion.

These men don't want their sacrifices to the nation used by an out of control GOP who gave them less in benefits than Obama did.

I protest the actions in this thread BECAUSE I greave the loss of these men, and I KNOW they would not want their deaths used as ammo by a right wing guy on the internet to make political bankl against their commander in Cheif.

this thread has grown tedious, because it reveals the truth, that the right use the military as a tool to shut up people they disagree with.

If these things are not your intent, justbelieve, then I apologise. I assure you, though this thread was created as a vehicle to make the president seem responsible for american soldiers deaths when in truth, they died for the highest of missions, to leave no man behind.

This thread is a tool, and its Op is baiting.

as he always does when he creates threads.

People have tried through many devices in this thread to stop anyone that disagrees with them from speaking. Those men volunteered to protect american lives and rights, such as freedom of speech.

You will all note the one guy that IS a soldier avoided this thread. He would tell you that he put his life on the line just to that people could come here and have freedom of speech.

so lets not disrespect them by acting in an unamerican way, and allow the far right to use THEM as a tool to stop the freedom of speech.

You are getting it backwards.

 

[JayQueer]

If these things are not your intent, justbelieve, then I apologise. I assure you, though this thread was created as a vehicle to make the president seem responsible for american soldiers deaths when in truth, they died for the highest of missions, to leave no man behind.

When did I ever mention President Obama in the OP, and when did I mention liberals, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, etc?

I mentioned a piece of breaking news & I said "This is so sad.......my thoughts & prayers are with their families & military men in harms way."

How is that an attack on the president?

This thread is a tool, and its Op is baiting.

as he always does when he creates threads.

Again, how did I "bait" anyone with the OP? Go back and read the OP. A liberal could have written the exact same thing, with the exact same words. Maybe your problem is with gay conservatives. Honestly, how many threads are here that attack & bash conservatives? By your definition, aren't those "baiting" threads too?

People have tried through many devices in this thread to stop anyone that disagrees with them from speaking. Those men volunteered to protect american lives and rights, such as freedom of speech.

When have I, or anyone else, tried to prevent you from speaking? If anything, difference in opinion makes for more dynamic debate -- and I generally think that's a good thing. I always treat other people with respect, even if I don't agree with them. On the other hand, how many times have other people here on JUB referred to me in derogatory terms or called me rude names? How many times have you & others said they want to "vomit" when they read my posts?

You will all note the one guy that IS a soldier avoided this thread. He would tell you that he put his life on the line just to that people could come here and have freedom of speech.

Agreed He also put his life on the line so that people who may have "unpopular" opinions, such as gay conservatives on JUB, can have a voice too.

so lets not disrespect them by acting in an unamerican way, and allow the far right to use THEM as a tool to stop the freedom of speech.

You are getting it backwards.

Speak for yourself.

 

[JayHawk]

I would think the point is not for either side to use the death of 31 human beings to make a political statement.

The same or similar was said after the death in Norway.

That won't stop people from overlaying their sentiment for the people and the families who have been affected with political diatribe.

However that means ultimately that you wholeheartedly agree the Phelps are perfectly legitimate in their protest. One to me is simply a greater perversion than the other but the same methodology.

I abhor using tragedy to make a point in any realm. Military or civil, foreign or domestic. It is the same to me as the soulless reporter who gets into the face of a Katrina victim who just lost their house and family and ask them how they feel.

I simply wonder what makes people believe they have the right.

P.S. This is an attack on no one in particular. It is my opinion. You are of course entitled to your own RB, BP, JQ, JB and anyone else who has one.

 

[thewiz]

I have to admit that I got a knot in my stomach and my heart raced yesterday when I heard the news of the helicopter crash. My son just got to Afghanistan. He is an Army lieutenant and in military intelligence but is likely to be towards the front line as much as the rear given his propensity to be near excitement.

I can't say I was "relieved" to hear it was only Navy Seals for I have many friends in the military and any loss of life affects all military families.

With a "horse in this race" I would offer one viewpoint.

George Bush took us into this war in order to pursue those who took down the World Trade Center. It was an understandable attack and we had the world's backing. However, he took his eye off the end goal and instead went after Saddam Hussein for totally unrelated reasons that resulted in Afghanistan being pushed to the back burner and simmering.

At the same time, both wars were fought "off budget" meaning the true costs were never reported or had to be approved by a then-Republican Congress. War is nice and clean when you have all volunteers fighting and no one realizes what the costs are because the meter has a bag over it.

Vietnam ended because people DID have a stake in it; our youth were being drafted on a daily basis and killed similarly. The costs were reported and resulted in increasing deficits. The country tired of the war and became sickened at the losses -- and it didn't run half as long as this one.

Maybe if people knew the price of this war and actually realized it wasn't "sanitary" .... it would have long ago been brought to a conclusion. I work for an organization that is trying to establish local government in the country; it ain't easy because there is no appreciation for our concept of democracy. Women realize they are benefitting from the change; most men are angry because they lose power in a transition.

Yes, Obama instituted a surge because it was needed to "make or break" this thing. I fear we have let it fester far too long and only emboldened our enemy who figures all they need to do is wait us out. They've done that successfully for generations with Russians and others; we are but one more trying to "free" this country.

 

[RonR18]

When did I ever mention President Obama in the OP,

How is that an attack on the president?

Again, how did I "bait" anyone with the OP? Go back and read the OP.

I hate to keep snapping at your ankles, but I suggest you go back and read it yourself, because you didn't have to use Obama's name. Your nonsensical statement about the Taliban targeting the helicopter solely to "avenge Bin Laden's death" was all the bait you needed, since Obama obviously ordered the killing.

Again, by making such a ludicrous statement, you're in-effect saying that if Bin Laden hadn't been killed, the Taliban wouldn't have been trying to shoot down U.S. military helicopters. And your statement, "22 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six (the same guys who killed Osama Bin Laden)" was also deceptive, in that you failed to disclose the SEALS who were killed weren't involved in the Bin Laden mission.

Anyway, it pisses me off when someone attempts to insult my intelligence in such a blatant manner, so I just thought I'd give you some feedback to let you know how I feel about it. And the best way for you to admit you were wrong is to just totally ignore me again, as that only goes to show that you have zero defense for the propaganda you posted.

 

[JayQueer]

I hate to keep snapping at your ankles, but I suggest you go back and read it yourself, because you didn't have to use Obama's name. Your nonsensical statement about the Taliban targeting the helicopter solely to "avenge Bin Laden's death" was all the bait you needed, since Obama obviously ordered the killing.

Again, by making such a ludicrous statement, you're in-effect saying that if Bin Laden hadn't been killed, the Taliban wouldn't have been trying to shoot down U.S. military helicopters. And your statement, "22 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six (the same guys who killed Osama Bin Laden)" was also deceptive, in that you failed to disclose the SEALS who were killed weren't involved in the Bin Laden mission.

No, you guys are making inferences that are not true.

I support Obama's decision to have bin Laden killed. I think it was one of the few things he has done right during his presidency.

The Taliban probably had no way of knowing exactly which Navy SEALs were responsible for shooting bin Laden. But his death most likely became a rallying cry for those Taliban militants to shoot down as many U.S. soldiers as possible. So, in the Taliban's view, for them to take out 31 or more U.S. troops with a single missile.......they probably saw that as a "victory" and a good way to avenge bin Laden's death.