275,000 People Demand Pat Buchanan Be Fired From MSNBC

[chrisrobin]

For those looking for Pat's true colours, let's use the Wayback machine to go to 2009:



The video is no longer available, but when Pat says that White folk built this country, I'm assuming that he's talking about the slave owners and industrialists who used chinese labour or, currently, the labour of Chinese peasants to build up their own wealth.


Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/pat-buchanan.html#ixzz1daH4FBrb

Patrick Buchanan was one of Richard Nixon's speechwriters.* Mr. Buchanan is still protected by "freedom of expression", but I don't have to listen to him.

*Nixon: the man who brought us "the Southern Strategy"

 

[chance1]

^ not sure how u came to that conclusion

not sure at all

 

[rareboy]

Here's just a smattering of the hateful filth that this racist, homophobic and misogynist and anti-democratic extremist has barfed out over the years:

On race relations in the late 1940s and early 1950s: "There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The 'negroes' of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours." (Right from the Beginning, Buchanan's 1988 autobiography, p. 131)

In a column sympathetic to ex-Klansman David Duke, Buchanan chided the Republican Party for overreacting to Duke and his Nazi "costume": "Take a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks." (syndicated column, 2/25/89)

In a September 1993 speech to the Christian Coalition, Buchanan described multiculturalism as "an across-the-board assault on our Anglo-American heritage."

In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage.... Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path." (Guardian, 1/14/92)

In his September 1993 speech to the Christian Coalition, Buchanan declared: "Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free." (ADL Report, 1994)

In a 1972 memo to Richard Nixon, Buchanan referred to one of George McGovern's leading financial contributors as a "screaming fairy." (Newsday, 2/8/89) Buchanan has repeatedly used the term "sodomites," and has referred to gays as "the pederast proletariat." (Washington Post, 2/9/92)

On AIDS, Buchanan wrote in 1983: "The poor homosexuals -- they have declared war upon nature, and now nature is extracting an awful retribution (AIDS)." (Los Angeles Times, 11/28/86) Later that year, he demanded that New York City Ed Koch and New York Gov. Mario Cuomo cancel the Gay Pride Parade or else "be held personally responsible for the spread of the AIDS plague." "With 80,000 dead of AIDS, our promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide," Buchanan wrote in 1990 (syndicated column, 10/17/90). In the 1992 campaign, he declared: "AIDS is nature's retribution for violating the laws of nature." (Seattle Times, 7/31/93)

"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." (syndicated column, 11/22/83)

In Right from the Beginning, Buchanan refers to Spanish dictator Francisco Franco as a "Catholic savior." He called Franco, along with Chile's Gen. Pinochet, "soldier-patriots." (syndicated column 9/17/89) Both men overthrew democracy in their countries.

Had enough???????????

Well there's lots more where that came from.

Over the years, it has been sickening to see how this unrepentant racist has helped to mould the GOP of today through fomenting the politics of division and hate.

The amazing thing to me is why he got hired on MSNBC in the first place....or why in 2012, he is given any voice in American political and social discussions at all.

Perhaps even more appalling, is that there would be anyone left who would defend him.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2553

 

[chrisrobin]

Here's just a smattering of the hateful filth that this racist, homophobic and misogynist and anti-democratic extremist has barfed out over the years:























Had enough???????????

Well there's lots more where that came from.

Over the years, it has been sickening to see how this unrepentant racist has helped to mould the GOP of today through fomenting the politics of division and hate.

The amazing thing to me is why he got hired on MSNBC in the first place....or why in 2012, he is given any voice in American political and social discussions at all.

Perhaps even more appalling, is that there would be anyone left who would defend him.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2553

Sounds like Patrick Buchanan is Republican presidential material to me! Draft Pat!

 

[chance1]

Here's just a smattering of the hateful filth that this racist, homophobic and misogynist and anti-democratic extremist has barfed out over the years:





















Had enough???????????

Well there's lots more where that came from.

Over the years, it has been sickening to see how this unrepentant racist has helped to mould the GOP of today through fomenting the politics of division and hate.

The amazing thing to me is why he got hired on MSNBC in the first place....or why in 2012, he is given any voice in American political and social discussions at all.

Perhaps even more appalling, is that there would be anyone left who would defend him.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2553

1972 - 1994

lots of years ago

what does this have to do with Pat's new book? and what is in IT?

witch hunt much?

can you find anything less recent ?

There isn't a single thing in this thread that makes the case for Pat to be fired from his MSNBC role - not sure what that role is

He isn't a nightly host like proven always and recent Al Sharpton

We know that for sure

The rest is just old stuff dug up ........... to back a present point which is not being made

 

[chrisrobin]

He isn't a nightly host like proven always and recent Al Sharpton

Please review thread title.

 

[rareboy]

I would just point out that the first batch of 'from the heart' racist remarks were from a 1996 compendium.

Oh there's no question that Pat has had to reign in his tongue and his pen, but the dark soul of this bizarre, troubled man still shines through.....

Let us update, shall we?

From Pat's most recent scribblings in 2011:

From the, “The End Of White America”:

The white population will begin to shrink and, should present birth rates persist, slowly disappear. Hispanics already comprise 42 percent of New Mexico’s population, 37 percent of California’s, 38 percent of Texas’s, and over half the population of Arizona under the age of twenty. ……. Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically, and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being overturned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution—to “insure domestic tranquility” and “make us a more perfect union”? Or has our passivity in the face of this invasion imperiled our union?

Those who believe the rise to power of an Obama rainbow coalition of peoples of color means the whites who helped to engineer it will steer it are deluding themselves. The whites may discover what it is like to ride in the back of the bus.

From the “‘The White Party’”:

What the above points to is a strategy from which Republicans will recoil, a strategy to increase the GOP share of the white Christian vote and increase the turnout of that vote by specific appeals to social, cultural, and moral issues, and for equal justice for the emerging white minority. If the GOP is not the party of New Haven firefighter Frank Ricci and Cambridge cop James Crowley, it has no future. And although Howard Dean disparages the Republicans as the “white party,” why should Republicans be ashamed to represent the progeny of the men who founded, built, and defended America since her birth as a nation?

Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans.

[ame="http://www.amazon.ca/Suicide-Superpower-Will-America-Survive/dp/0312579977"]Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?: Amazon.ca: Patrick J. Buchanan: Books[/ame]

It only reinforces this jackass's bizarre take on the history of slavery and structural racism in the US up until the 1960's and 70's.

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

http://atheistdestiny.blogspot.com/2008/04/pat-buchanan-his-quote-on-black-america.html

Had enough yet????? It think that some hundreds of thousands of rational people apparently have.

to promote his book, he went on a white supremacist radio show whose host has said things like "MLK's dream is our nightmare," and "interracial sex is white genocide."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/...-unfrozen-caveman-racister,-paleoconservative

You know there's more.

 

[chance1]

Please review thread title.

thanks so much - but "should MSNBC fire Pat" surely takes into account how they run their business ........

and the HIRING and giving a DAILY slot to a man who for his entire life has been a cause of racial divisiveness with his words and actions (google Tawana Brawley if u please)

provides much needed context to this thread

which is sorrily in need of context

ok dokie??

oh yeah

NO - he shouldn't be fired

 

[Centexfarmer]

1972 - 1994

lots of years ago

what does this have to do with Pat's new book? and what is in IT?

witch hunt much?

can you find anything less recent ?

There isn't a single thing in this thread that makes the case for Pat to be fired from his MSNBC role - not sure what that role is

He isn't a nightly host like proven always and recent Al Sharpton

We know that for sure

The rest is just old stuff dug up ........... to back a present point which is not being made

Took me awhile to find it, but I did.

I listened to the recent (October 25, 2011) interview that he gave on The Diane Rehm Show which is broadcast on NPR where Pat Buchanan talks about points that he made while promoting his new book Suicide of a Superpower: will America survive to 2025.

You can click the link above to either listen to, or read the transcript of that interview.

I recommend it.

Where not even a full minute into the interview, and Pat Buchanan makes this statement:

We lost 50,000 factories in the last decade alone and one third of our manufacturing jobs. We have a deadlock on Capitol Hill that is total and ideological and our politics are acrimonious and poisonous. But that's not the central problem to me. The central problem is our society is disintegrating. It is coming apart. We are Balkanizing, breaking down along the lines of race, culture, religion, and philosophy.

And I'm thinking to myself as I'm hearing these words come out of his mouth:

"Yeah, and you've been a central figure dating back to Nixon that helped all of that along. You've been a part of the problemfor the past 40 years that you're now lamenting."

Oh it get's better!

Well I think that the argument that diversity is a strength is a canard, it is nonsense. What makes us strong is when we rise above our diversity to national unity. When this country was born, you had the Puritans in Boston who did not like the Cavaliers in Virginia or the Quakers in Pennsylvania and the Scotch-Irish in South Carolina and Georgia disliked them all.

If I didn't know the guy, I'd think to myself, "that sounds reasonable enough."

But he continues further on in the interview:

REHM

11:35:00
And another question, you've written in your columns of homosexuality that in a healthy society it will be contained, segregated, controlled and stigmatized. You've also called homosexuality a disorder that can be handled with therapy. Do you still stand by those statements?

BUCHANAN

11:35:27
Well, the statement that homosexuality is disordered is a statement from Pope Benedict in Rome as well. It's the view of the Catholic Church.

REHM

11:35:38
And you accept that.

BUCHANAN

11:35:40
Well, I believe that homosexuality is -- that it is a natural activity -- a natural and a moral -- I realize individuals are maybe born or nature or nurture, I don't know what it is. I assume nobody actually gets to be 13 or 14 and suddenly chooses this. But I do think -- and people may not be able to control their orientation, but I do believe as a Catholic that people can control their conduct.

BUCHANAN

11:36:06
And that is where I think I would say that kind of conduct should be discouraged in a good society, in a healthy society. And it used to be discouraged. And I do think that the idea that men can marry men and women marry women in the USA is a sign of a civilization in its final throws. I mean, we saw things like this at the end of the Weimar Republic, things like this at the end of the Roman Empire. And they are attendant to a declining nation and a declining civilization.

There's more, but Pat Buchanan clearly hasn't changed his views on things, he's just seems to either be looking for someone or something to blame things on without taking any responsibility for his own role in any of it.

Maybe that's what some people find appealing about him.

It's clearly what many don't.

He's certainly not a friend of the LGBT Community, and he's clearly advocating more for a Theocracy, wrapped in the guise of a Democracy IMO.

To the low information voter Pat Buchanan makes a lot of sense to people.

If I didn't know better, he'd make sense to me too.

I'm just curious as to why he's on MSNBC and not Fox News.

Pat Buchanan v. Al Sharpton?

They're both self-serving demagogues in my opinion, and they're no better than the same self serving "GOP Candidate" former and wannabes on FOX NEWS.

The all seem to be preaching "unity" over "diversity" but they all turn out to be polarizing and divisive in their message.

 

[NYCisME]

thanks so much - but "should MSNBC fire Pat" surely takes into account how they run their business ........

and the HIRING and giving a DAILY slot to a man who for his entire life has been a cause of racial divisiveness with his words and actions (google Tawana Brawley if u please)

provides much needed context to this thread

which is sorrily in need of context

ok dokie??

oh yeah

NO - he shouldn't be fired

Dude, really?

First you want to dismiss decades of Pat Buchanan's record up to 1994 because that was too long ago, but bring up the Tawana Brawley thing that happened in 1987?

And let's consider that issue, yes the girl was lying, but all he did was try to defend a girl who made those horrible claims. He didn't prop her up to do it, he didn't put her up to it. She lied to him and everyone about something heinous and he defended her until the truth came out.

Now, if Sharpton is a racial divider please share some evidence or quotes on this. He's not perfect, I have issues with him, but he is not a racist and definitely cannot be accurately compared to Pat Buchanan. Just because he is outspoken on structural violence on black people doesn't make him a racial divider.

 

[Kulindahr]

I have to say something about one of his points: we saw "such things" all through the rise of the Roman Empire.

 

[rareboy]

Maybe that's what some people find [STRIKE]appealing[/STRIKE] appalling about him.

There fixed it for you Centex.

 

[chance1]

Dude, really?

First you want to dismiss decades of Pat Buchanan's record up to 1994 because that was too long ago, but bring up the Tawana Brawley thing that happened in 1987?

And let's consider that issue, yes the girl was lying, but all he did was try to defend a girl who made those horrible claims. He didn't prop her up to do it, he didn't put her up to it. She lied to him and everyone about something heinous and he defended her until the truth came out.

Now, if Sharpton is a racial divider please share some evidence or quotes on this. He's not perfect, I have issues with him, but he is not a racist and definitely cannot be accurately compared to Pat Buchanan. Just because he is outspoken on structural violence on black people doesn't make him a racial divider.

My point is their common "boss" MSNBC needs to have some consistency in evaluating whether one's words/actions support suspension/firing/etc.

And he did much more than "defend" her - he accused in a high profile manner a prosecutor who's life was ruined and actually sued brawley/sharpton after and won

he is anti white, anti Jew - and he never flinches from jumping on a situation to point out the racial angle - no matter what

The Don Imus situation

The

to reward this life long charlatan with a M-F show is a sorry thing for MSNBC to do

here's a recap of Sharpton's ACTIONS

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1816884/posts

 

[Centexfarmer]

I have to say something about one of his points: we saw "such things" all through the rise of the Roman Empire.

That and he also seemed to imply the fall of the Weimar Republic was because of the "diversity" within it at the time, rather than to acknowledge it's actual demise.

As if what came after was somehow better.

 

[chance1]

Took me awhile to find it, but I did.

I listened to the recent (October 25, 2011) interview that he gave on The Diane Rehm Show which is broadcast on NPR where Pat Buchanan talks about points that he made while promoting his new book Suicide of a Superpower: will America survive to 2025.

You can click the link above to either listen to, or read the transcript of that interview.

I recommend it.

Where not even a full minute into the interview, and Pat Buchanan makes this statement:



And I'm thinking to myself as I'm hearing these words come out of his mouth:



Oh it get's better!



If I didn't know the guy, I'd think to myself, "that sounds reasonable enough."

But he continues further on in the interview:



There's more, but Pat Buchanan clearly hasn't changed his views on things, he's just seems to either be looking for someone or something to blame things on without taking any responsibility for his own role in any of it.

Maybe that's what some people find appealing about him.

It's clearly what many don't.

He's certainly not a friend of the LGBT Community, and he's clearly advocating more for a Theocracy, wrapped in the guise of a Democracy IMO.

To the low information voter Pat Buchanan makes a lot of sense to people.

If I didn't know better, he'd make sense to me too.

I'm just curious as to why he's on MSNBC and not Fox News.

Pat Buchanan v. Al Sharpton?

They're both self-serving demagogues in my opinion, and they're no better than the same self serving "GOP Candidate" former and wannabes on FOX NEWS.

The all seem to be preaching "unity" over "diversity" but they all turn out to be polarizing and divisive in their message.

his stance on LGBT issues is old school and lame for sure

he is part of the "they have to die off" group - who will likely never get it

he's nothing like Al Sharpton - as he is authentic and smart (if not correct) about issues on the economy, foreign affairs and other political issues

he is an excellent listen

Al doesn't have an authentic bone in his body

 

[Centexfarmer]

his stance on LGBT issues is old school and lame for sure

he is part of the "they have to die off" group - who will likely never get it

he's nothing like Al Sharpton - as he is authentic and smart (if not correct) about issues on the economy, foreign affairs and other political issues

he is an excellent listen

Al doesn't have an authentic bone in his body

Two sides of the same coin if you ask me.

I've always viewed Al Sharpton as an opportunist.

As where Pat Buchanan on the other hand has played an active roll in much of the division in this country, while preaching unity to the white masses.

He's not a segregationists so much as he's a separatist.

Al Sharpton has profited off of people like Pat Buchanan and the views and policies that he's put forth during his political and professional career.

 

[rareboy]

What is SORELY needed from Buchanan is any admission after 1996 that he was just talking through his ass and didn't believe any of the stuff, like praising Hitler or blaming the victims of AIDS or sighing over the glory days of segregation.

He hasn't. And won't. He is unrepentant hate personified...but trying to insinuate his ideas more firmly in the minds of moderates now, because sounding like the craziest old coot in America didn't really work for him.

And instead of being insincerely apologetic or even reasonable in his playing down of his extremist political and racist sympathies, he instead went on to a White Supremacist radio show and exposed himself for the ugly and dangerous influence he really is.

I'd love to know what his Stormfront avatar looks like.

And why has this become a thread about Al Sharpton?

Is is totally impossible to stick to the topic at hand in this thread?

 

[MisterMajestic]

Pat Buchanan v. Al Sharpton?

They're both self-serving demagogues in my opinion, and they're no better than the same self serving "GOP Candidate" former and wannabes on FOX NEWS.

The all seem to be preaching "unity" over "diversity" but they all turn out to be polarizing and divisive in their message.

You havent done your research on Sharpton...He's Marched for Gay & Women's rights over the years...He's very smart and knows his politics...

When the NAACP decided to take a STAND & support "Gay Rights" in all 50 State-Chapters, Sharpton was one of the FIRST Liberal Radio-Hosts to take to the air waves in Praise, Support and talked about how his past marches for Gay Rights consisted of NAACP members but the media didnt care to talk about it....

I don't know what Pat has said &/or done for the Gay Community...I havent done my research on him so I can't judge him...What I can say is that I've been watching him closely since he's been a political Analyst on MSNBC and he's a typical Conservative......Should he have gone on a "White Supremacist" radio show to promote his new book? Absolutely NOT..Pat could have made his radio-rounds on the shows hosted by his co-workers @ MSNBC...Plus he could have made his TV-rounds on ALL the Daytime & Prime-time shows on MSNBC as well...He simply should have used his better judgement....MSNBC is paying him and he knows that the Cable Network is hiring more people of color....What he did was STUPID and he put his job in jeopardy...

We need a statement from him as to why he would go on such a show...I don't believe Pat is a racist but that Radio Talk show is RACIST TRASH and NO conservative would dare go on that show..Pat needs to explain himself...

 

[rareboy]

I repeat.

Why has this become a thread about Al Sharpton?????

Back to Topic please.

 

[Kulindahr]

.....Should he have gone on a "White Supremacist" radio show to promote his new book? Absolutely NOT..Pat could have made his radio-rounds on the shows hosted by his co-workers @ MSNBC...Plus he could have made his TV-rounds on ALL the Daytime & Prime-time shows on MSNBC as well...He simply should have used his better judgement....MSNBC is paying him and he knows that the Cable Network is hiring more people of color....What he did was STUPID and he put his job in jeopardy...

He went where he knew he could sell books.

Put his job in jeopardy? Maybe.