3 Florida Ex-Cops Sentenced in Scheme to Frame Innocent Black People

[NotHardUp1]

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We won't actually see "Latino Privilege" become a phrase because it costs too much politically to go down that road. It defies the notion that there is such a thing as shared experiences in minority culture that is transcendent. There isn't really.

Serious political divisions exist between Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Latino, Black, Indian, Arabic, Jewish, and Slavic minorities in the US and elsewhere. Although for class action and some judicial purposes, they may have common cause, the racism that exists between those groups is just as problematic as the majority/minority dynamic.

It is not unlike the LGBTQLMNOP amalgamation that is little but a political and legal lumping, as the letters do not represent a real subculture in most circles except for a few, and of course, on certain media representations of "gay culture." There are fundamental culture clashes between the simplest subgroups, like gay men or lesbians. It's not that there never exists community or coalition, but it's less the norm than not from all observances. It's more like parallel worlds.

 

[willhunt]

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Disingenuous to English translator:

Not all cops are bad > Your experiences are irrelevant and we just don't care.

On behalf of the targets, I'd like to elaborate on fabs translation:

Bad apples is one thing. Armed bad apples are something very different.

 

[NotHardUp1]

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There is no defending the corruption. Explaining that it is the exception is not an excusing of the abuse and the damage it leaves.

Noting it is the exception isn't a dismissal of the injured parties or their dignity. It's straightforward assertion of a reality check. Left to exaggeration, there are those who would have us believe every arrest is excessive, every black jailed is innocent, or justified, etc.

The dismissal of reality and actual incidence rates is not any more legitimate than dismissing the victims in these frame-ups.

We can all care about the victims without buying into the bogus assertion that it is the norm. It is a classic false dichotomy.

The OP seems to be of the Rudy Giuliani school of "truth is not truth." Actually, truth is truth.

 

[EddMarkStarr]

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As someone who has looked down the barrel of a gun held by a police officer, on more than one occasion, please read carefully:

"A world without law enforcement is a world no one should want to live in".

 

[willhunt]

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As someone who has looked down the barrel of a gun held by a police officer, on more than one occasion, please read carefully:

"A world without law enforcement is a world no one should want to live in".

I totally agree.
"A world without law enforcement is a world no one should want to live in." It would seem that a few of our black brothers are bleeding out because of law enforcement. Or, in short: they're not in this world any longer. I don't want to push buttons. I just want to honor the dead.

 

[frankfrank]

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This is happening waaaaaaaaay too much for 99 to even be a relevant ball park estimate

Almost any time "99%" is ever used to describe how prevalent something is, it's used by somebody who didn't do their research. (Is this issue even researchable? What are the criteria for a "bad police officer"?)

In real life, 99% or 1% occurrence of anything isn't all that common.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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On behalf of the targets, I'd like to elaborate on fabs translation:

Bad apples is one thing. Armed bad apples are something very different.

Thank you for actually being understanding, it's hard to find these days. As I said earlier, I understand the responses and why the conversation is being framed that way, it's a longstanding tradition of neutralizing or even justifying the mistreatment of color of people. As I said earlier I know for a fact and will bet my left testicle that if one white gay were treated has as badly by police it would't be "Chill it's just an isolated incident" the forum would be lit up with rage and righteous indignation. But some people get a boner expressing just how little they care about the plight of black America. Which is fair, there's no law that says you have to be a decent human being.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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Almost any time "99%" is ever used to describe how prevalent something is, it's used by somebody who didn't do their research. (Is this issue even researchable? What are the criteria for a "bad police officer"?)

In real life, 99% or 1% occurrence of anything isn't all that common.

Thank you for taking the topic seriously Frank, I can always count on you for sensibility and concern. You brought up a good point, no we can't really do research on how often these abuses occur because the law and their departments shield them from any reasonable level of accountability and there is no governing authority that oversees police operations and documents these cases. It's like a restaurant that never gets a health inspection.

Anyway, just the sheer volume of videos that show police engaging in all sorts of sinister behavior is staggering, and that's just the video'd incidents. It's clear to anyone who's paying attention that this isn't just "a few bad apples" rather widespread corruption. But of course being that the main targets of this injustice are black or brown I don't expect to see many Americans jumping up with righteous indignation. I mean, it's not like a football player knelt during the anthem or anything.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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TNoting it is the exception isn't a dismissal of the injured parties or their dignity. It's straightforward assertion of a reality check. Left to exaggeration, there are those who would have us believe every arrest is excessive, every black jailed is innocent, or justified, etc.

Ahh, the classic false narrative and intellectually dishonest and conversation-killing "some no all" rubbish. Nobody is exaggerating the frequency of these occurences, there's no need to since they happen ALL the fucking time. All. The. Fucking. Time.

The casualness with which everybody is wrapping this up as "Oh well, at least it's not all cops" is absolutely [along with trolling] a dismissal of the negative and deadly experiences people of color have to deal with and it would be an insult to my intelligence to pretend otherwise. I will say it til I'm blue in the face... if a cop so much as accidentally stepped on a white homo's toe while arresting him for soliciting sex in the park at 3am yall would have the ACLU on standby before breakfast. I'm not stupid. I read codes and in between lines so please spare me this "Oh it's all just innocently trying to maintain perspective before your maniacal black rage causes you blame all cops for the actions of a few." I don't need your help keeping a fair and balanced perspective, but perhaps a few of you could use a guiding hand into being more compassionate towards people who might not look like you or dilly dally in the same social circles. I know how people are, and I know if this happened once to one of you guys' friends you'd be singing a totally different song, and would lazer-blast anyone who wrote it off as "No big deal, just an isolated incident." Oh the fury would be like nothing the world has ever seen.

And. We. All. Know. It's. True.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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Aggreed. Under the circumstances, i think most police do a very difficult job and deserve our upmost respect for keeping our streets safe. Sometimes they have to be creative.

What are the circumstances? And you believe "most police do a good job" based on... what exactly, you've researched this in-depth? Cuz if not it either sounds like you're unconcerned about brutality and civil rights vioations against people of color by boys in uniform, or else you agree with the mistreatment and are not-so-silently giving them a thumbs up and a "Keep up the good work Johnny."

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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Since everybody thinks "Most cops are good," let's have THAT conversation. We sure can. I need some statistics. I need some numbers. I need to know how many cops have beat their wives or planted evidence or bee arrested for DUI or sexual assault. Prove that most cops are good and that this is all just more whiny black people starved for attention and sympathy.

Cuz, otherwise, a blanket dismissal of such widespread misbehavior could only be reasonably interpreted as trolling, or at least dangerously unaware of the scope of these problems that, of course, in white neighborhoods and social circles are seen as one-off occurrences but notsomuch in the black American experience. I'll be surprised if anyone actually attempts to legitimize this "bad apples" routine, then again I didn't really take that as a serious response as no human being with an actual heart beating in their chest thinks we can afford to just turn a blind eye to state-sponsored and taxpayer funded corruption.

 

[opinterph]

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That has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

The topic is not well defined.

American police stay in the news for corruption, violence, abuse, sexual assault, DUI, drug charges, misuse of firearms or force … domestic violence

… ask one hundred policemen's wives how many of them have been hit.

beating the shit out of a citizen … planting evidence on innocent people … raping children … stealing … beating their wives/children … selling drugs … working in conjunction with street gangs.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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The topic is not well defined.

It's super defined, the subject is clearly stated in the title. the subject is so obvious there are currently two spin-off threads floating around HT. Sixth knew what he was implying as well he knew what I meant about it being off-topic. That was an A-B thing.

Anything else?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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Damn a bitch asked for receipts and this muthafucka turnt into a ghost town.

 

[willhunt]

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I try to surround myself with a posse of "brothers." You'll know my posse, we're the ones taking a knee. We may mostly be white, but as one of us points out: "That's just packaging." If you're white brother is shot and killed by an officer, just cry, just get angry and when you finally get a grip on this horrible reality, come on over take a knee.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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I try to surround myself with a posse of "brothers." You'll know my posse, we're the ones taking a knee. We may mostly be white, but as one of us points out: "That's just packaging." If you're white brother is shot and killed by an officer, just cry, just get angry and when you finally get a grip on this horrible reality, come on over take a knee.

The elephant in the room is that a lot of Americans are indifferent about corrupt police because they know they aren't a likely target. They flew in here to defend police as if they're even under attack. I've never directly or indirectly made any blanket statements about ALL police nor have I called them ALL racists/killers/thugs/whatever. But people need a deflection to justify their apathy so this "bad apples" analogy maintains the default mode for Americans which is comfort and joyful ignorance.

Thankfully there are people like you who get it and aren't waiting for it to happen to "one of your own" to take notice. You're an example it would serve many to follow.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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Almost any time "99%" is ever used to describe how prevalent something is, it's used by somebody who didn't do their research. (Is this issue even researchable? What are the criteria for a "bad police officer"?)

In real life, 99% or 1% occurrence of anything isn't all that common.

One more time Frank. In case anybody missed it.

 

[PrinceCory]

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There's always bad apples in any organisation, i'm sure 99% of police officers do a splendid job.

Shame on these ones.

I agree also with your premise of your statement. If we were to argue over the percentage, someone would have to define "bad apple."

 

[Cormac135]

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I agree also with your premise of your statement. If we were to argue over the percentage, someone would have to define "bad apple."

Indeed, i'm sure it's even more than 99%, that amount of bad apples must be infinitesimal.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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I agree also with your premise of your statement. If we were to argue over the percentage, someone would have to define "bad apple."

Maybe you can explain the 99% thing? People rushed in here to cosign but when I ask for further clarification.....

It's confusing because I've never seen anyone say "all cops are" this or that, kinda seems like a distraction from an issue people are unwilling to confront. This bad apples speech never comes up about people of color, or Muslims, or South American immigrants. A brother gets arrested for something nobody jumps up to say "Wait a minute not ALL black people are criminals I'm sure 99% of them are good people." When one of them does something the tone of the convo is "cultural problem" and "they." But even with almost daily police viral videos of everything from civil rights violations to violence people are still quick to write it off as a non-issue that is being inflated by people of color who, legend has it , value sympathy more than currency.

And again, it's virtually impossible to give a statistic on either side because there's no real system of accountability and departments investigate their own officers. That's like a judge appointing your family and friends to be your jury, you don't even need to guess what kind of verdict you'll get. To be frank, it kinda seems like people are siding with cops for the simple fact of being in opposition with people of color. As if you can't support both groups, then again that's how the elite play off of people who are easily swayed, us vs them is the prevailing narrative. Somebody has to be the enemy and it's almost never the people in control.

The frightening part is that this is one of many arenas where Americans don't realize that ignoring the problem will only allow it to grow. A little comfort today means tomorrow's victim might not be a person of color. But that seems to be the trend for most of our ills in this country, wait until a problem becomes so massive that practically nothing can be done about it anyway. That's what we're doing with the environment and the bite-back is going to be brutal. Anyway, the lack of empathy is disheartening at times. I know militant black people who are staunchly anti-white and I try to defend white people but responses such as we see here prove them right and me wrong.