3 Florida Ex-Cops Sentenced in Scheme to Frame Innocent Black People

[fabulouslyghetto]

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https://www.thenation.com/article/police-violence-we-arent-talking-about/

“It’s a huge problem,” said Philip Stinson, a professor at Bowling Green State University and the principle investigator for a Department of Justice–funded research project on police integrity, about sexual assault by police officers. “There are many opportunities for someone, if they were a predator, to engage in crimes of sexual violence that they wouldn’t otherwise be able to do because of the power and authority they have [as a police officer].”

It’s hard to tell exactly how big the problem is, because few people are collecting data.

THIS is the reason I was in no rush to provide stats. Not only because I know you all will only dig your heels further into the ground, but because there are no real stats. Police pretty much do what they want and we expect their buddies, peers and comrades to keep them in check. Good luck with that.

But even that limited evidence suggests sexual assault is a significant issue in police forces, as The American Prospect and Truthout have reported. According to the Cato Institute, more than 9 percent of reports of police misconduct in 2010 involved sexual abuse, making it the second-most reported form of misconduct, after the use of excessive force. Comparing that data to FBI crime statistics indicates that “sexual assault rates are significantly higher for police when compared to the general population.”

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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So.. here's where we are now, an update of sorts

-police sexual assault rates are higher than the general population and that's naively assuming that we KNOW about all the cases and that they are charged and prosecuted accordingly. false, actually there are many officers who have had multiple victims come forward

-there's no concrete data either way about whether all cops are "good or bad" [nevermind the juvenile nature of such an exchange in the first place]

-people who ask for or THINK that there is concrete data about policing in the US are merely showcasing how uninformed they are about the topic altogether

because

-there's no concrete data either way about whether all cops are "good or bad" [nevermind the juvenile nature of such an exchange in the first place]

-the idea that you can give men guns and authority over others and trust them to police themselves is, sorry there's no other word for it, stupid

-people who don't understand why black people have a strenuous relationship with police have had their eyes closed and ears covered for the better part of the past century

-there's no such thing as a "victimhood qouta" where X amount of abuses/shootings have to occur before it's worthy of discussion. one is one too many

let's continue

 

[willhunt]

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If you are in the morgue to identify a family member shot by a bad apple, it is intensely personal and tragic. Statistically, per capita, you're black.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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If you are in the morgue to identify a family member shot by a bad apple, it is intensely personal and tragic. Statistically, per capita, you're black.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

Thanks for bringing some humanity to the topic. I'm not sure what relevance "Most cops are good" even has, at best it's a cold dismissal of police abuse against people of color, at worst it's a callous implication that this is just a regular part of black American life.

Imagine telling a rape victim, "Well, at least most men aren't rapists."

But I know what and who I'm dealing with. My topics aren't everyone's cup of tea, I get that. Sports isn't everyone's cup of tea but nobody goes marching into that subforum with a parade proudly singing a chorus if "I don't care" at the top of their lungs. Learning how to talk about race without offending or scaring off white people is a job of work. Dare I say it's virtually impossible? To be frank, when it comes to race many Americans, usually the ones quickest to call someone else thin-skinned, have the thinnest of all skins. It's like a complex maze where no matter how plainly you state the facts and keep all emotional or strong language out of it, it's still going to trigger a strong and adverse reaction.

Ultimately, with social media and the prevalence of videos of police misconduct going viral almost daily it's, well, silly to be so cavalier about it but, again, people who aren't affected aren't likely to care and will do all sorts of fantastic mental gymnastics to justify their lack of concern. But it's nothing new

slavery: "I don't see the problem"
breeding black people like animals: "I don't see the problem"
separating families: "I don't see the problem"
post-abolition discrimination: "I don't see the problem"
Jim Crow: "I don't see the problem"
desegregation: "I don't see the problem"
War on drugs: "I don't see the problem"
police brutality: "I don't see the problem"
mass incarceration and school-to-prison pipeline: "I don't see the problem"
stop n frisk: "I don't see the problem"
largely imbalanced criminal justice system: "I don't see the problem"
referring to the first black president as monkey: "I don't see the problem"

The truth is we could give some people glasses, a microscope, a high-powered telescope, binoculars, a GSP navigator, a compass, printed out mapquest directions and an old-school road map leading to the problem and they still won't see it. Because they choose not to. Because it doesn't affect them.

Once again, and I can't stress this enough, that so many people are even ASKING for statistics about police misconduct shows just how unfamiliar they are about the topic because anyone who's done four second's worth of research [or is black] knows that we don't really have any means of tracking this. There is no national "how many times have cops raped or killed" database. Someone else brought up numbers of police arrests as if that tells anything, which it doesn't because, again, that's a system that has almost zero oversight. expecting their peers, comrades and brothers to be fair and impartial in policing each other? Bwahahahahaha that's fucking hilarious

The responses to this thread are a clear reminder that:

-black people and white people are not at all policed the same. Not even close.
-the bridge between white and black fags is so sorely in need of repair it might be more cost-effective to just bomb the whole thing and rebuild from scratch.

 

[peeonme]

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the bridge[/B] between white and black fags is so sorely in need of repair it might be more cost-effective to just bomb the whole thing and rebuild from scratch.

You can't fix it because you burned it.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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You can't fix it because you burned it.

I'm not dense enough to believe that white gay America was lovingly standing there with open arms begging for the assimilation of people of color until I came along. Shame on you for even saying such a thing. On both sides, the microscope needs to be turned inward because each group has, in their own way, systemically and deliberately shut out the other. Let's skip this part of the convo where you deny such a thing has ever happened and then I post links to white clubs turning away black people and then you insinuate that they were turned away cuz of guns or drugs or lack of personal accoutability or something of the sort.

How do you feel about the lack of oversight in American policing? I dunno if people even realize how easy it is to become a cop. "Oh you can run around a building in ten minutes here's your gun and badge." Obviously more than a few whackos have made it through the ranks.

One thing I will say with absolutely certainty, I will bet my life, my mother's life, my father's and sisters' and brothers' lives on this one truth: If white people suffered a fraction, one-tenth of the mistreatment from police that people of color do, the convo wouldn't be about bad apples and good cops, a committee would be formed TOMORROW commanding strict and detailed oversight and promising punishment for noncompliance. Again, that you guys even THINK this data is available shows just how unaware and out of touch you are.

Your logic: Well DUH just go to google and find the stats
Reality: Ain't no stats

 

[peeonme]

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I'm not dense enough to believe that white gay America was lovingly standing there with open arms begging for the assimilation of people of color until I came along. Shame on you for even saying such a thing. On both sides, the microscope needs to be turned inward because each group has, in their own way, systemically and deliberately shut out the other. Let's skip this part of the convo where you deny such a thing has ever happened and then I post links to white clubs turning away black people and then you insinuate that they were turned away cuz of guns or drugs or lack of personal accoutability or something of the sort.

How do you feel about the lack of oversight in American policing? I dunno if people even realize how easy it is to become a cop. "Oh you can run around a building in ten minutes here's your gun and badge." Obviously more than a few whackos have made it through the ranks.

One thing I will say with absolutely certainty, I will bet my life, my mother's life, my father's and sisters' and brothers' lives on this one truth: If white people suffered a fraction, one-tenth of the mistreatment from police that people of color do, the convo wouldn't be about bad apples and good cops, a committee would be formed TOMORROW commanding strict and detailed oversight and promising punishment for noncompliance. Again, that you guys even THINK this data is available shows just how unaware and out of touch you are.

Your logic: Well DUH just go to google and find the stats
Reality: Ain't no stats

There was a time where I didn't trust cops very much. I thought that the majority of them were arrogant, condescending and rude, especially to blacks. Then I started dealing with you you. Your false accusations and consistent playing of the race card. If I were a cop and faced lies, accusations and whining everyday I would mot be able to keep my cool as most cops do. It's amazing how they risk their lives for low pay and thankless people.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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There was a time where I didn't trust cops very much. I thought that the majority of them were arrogant, condescending and rude, especially to blacks. Then I started dealing with you you. Your false accusations and consistent playing of the race card. If I were a cop and faced lies, accusations and whining everyday I would mot be able to keep my cool as most cops do. It's amazing how they risk their lives for low pay and thankless people.

Oh hey I just got a message from Akiel Denkins, Sean Bell, Gregory Gunn, Samuel Debose, Brandon Glenn, Freddie Grey, Natasha Mckenna, Walter Scott and dozens of others who wanted to send their thanks to the boys in blue but couldn't on account of being dead.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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If I were a cop and faced lies, accusations and whining everyday I would mot be able to keep my cool as most cops do. It's amazing how they risk their lives for low pay and thankless people.

If I may ask, what are you even talking about? Do you think I stand outside police stations with a bullhorn or something?

 

[NotHardUp1]

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If you are in the morgue to identify a family member shot by a bad apple, it is intensely personal and tragic. Statistically, per capita, you're black.

Statistically, if you are black and in the morgue to identify a family member shot by a bad apple, there is about a 90% likelihood the tragedy is due to another black American, and very few of those will be policemen doing the shooting.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

So, although injustice at the hands of the system is real, its numerical impact is incredibly small compared to the devastation dealt blacks by their own neighbors.

The magazine article cited dates from 2016. Another salient fact is that violent crime was at a 30-year low.

So, if you're black in America, you'd think there wouldn't be enough hours of the day to protest 90% of the murders that are perpetrated on black lives by other black lives, yet we don't see that. Those deaths are apparently very acceptable.

Some black lives appear not to matter to those who claim they do.

 

[willhunt]

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I am going to make a blanket statement for which I take complete responsibility: I think I can tell the color of the various posters. It's just an observation. I'm praying for a day in a world when this is not so. (For full disclosure, I'm white. I hope you couldn't tell and I'm hoping my sentiment just fuckin' floods the joint.)







Dear Pandora, Kiss my ass.

Sincerely, Pollyanna

 

[peeonme]

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I am going to make a blanket statement for which I take complete responsibility: I think I can tell the color of the various posters. It's just an observation. I'm praying for a day in a world when this is not so. (For full disclosure, I'm white. I hope you couldn't tell and I'm hoping my sentiment just fuckin' floods the joint.)

It's quite easy when they claim to have been slaves.

 

[NotHardUp1]

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I don't think the forum has seen much covert behavior about race identity. There are those who are wholly anonymous, never identifying self by location, profession, age, ethnicity, or anything else.

Racial politics and social views are fairly obvious to everyone if people do engage on such topics. There's not a lot of mystery.

But it's most obvious along the black - white schism.

Chinese, Native Americans, Latinos, Japanese, Innuit, and mixed race are hardly obvious. Without self-revelation, I doubt those groups are easily marked on the topic of race unless they have intentionally divulged.

I don't wish for such a sanitized world. Our race often is married to our cultural heritage, so removing all signs of it isn't the goal. It's being true neighbors in community, exactly as Dr. King preached.

And in my community, blacks and whites are not at each others' throats. That's more likely an internet phenomenon where strangers meet to accuse and argue.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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Statistically, if you are black and in the morgue to identify a family member shot by a bad apple, there is about a 90% likelihood the tragedy is due to another black American, and very few of those will be policemen doing the shooting.

The gargantuan difference that you've carefully avoided in your attempt to manipulate, is that if the killer were black they'd already be in jail by that point. Black people don't get away with killing black people. Black people don't WANT black people to get away with killing black people-- a narrative that has been hungrily devoured by people eager to prove that this is all just a scam and a ploy for sympathy.

So, although injustice at the hands of the system is real, its numerical impact is incredibly small compared to the devastation dealt blacks by their own neighbors.

Again, this is a dishonest deflection, and seemingly conveys the thought that police should only be held accountable to the same extent that criminals and murderers are. Sometimes yall be so eager to argue down racism that you say the silliest things.

The magazine article cited dates from 2016. Another salient fact is that violent crime was at a 30-year low.

So, if you're black in America, you'd think there wouldn't be enough hours of the day to protest 90% of the murders that are perpetrated on black lives by other black lives, yet we don't see that. Those deaths are apparently very acceptable.

And there we are with "black people don't care unless the murderers are white." More lies. You cannot find a black community in America riddled with violence that doesn't have some sort of grassroots community organization [MOST have several] dedicated to ending violence. We've been protesting and calling for better policing of our neighborhoods since we were driven into the ghettos by discriminatory housing practices.

This whole "I don't see it" bit is funny. How much time do you truthfully spend talking to people of color from poor and black neighborhoods? When's the last time you sat down and had a heart to heart with a black person from a black neighborhood? This obnoxious implication that we aren't protesting violence because YOU "haven't seen it" perfectly highlights how silly some of these responses are. Do you seriously believe that when a black person is killed by another black person that we breathe some sigh of relief that "Well, at least it wasn't a white killer?" Do you realize how stupid we would have to be to think like that? How inhuman?

But I don't blame you, any of you really. You are products of a culture that normalized the brutalization of people of color. Your only sin is not having the wherewithal and independence of thought to challenge the lies you've been told about us. And now here we are, you sincerely believe that when a black person is killed by another black person we go "Awww shucks, it wasn't a white killer. We could've really milked this death for all it's worth."

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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I don't think the forum has seen much covert behavior about race identity.

No, it's been pretty blatant.

There are those who are wholly anonymous, never identifying self by location, profession, age, ethnicity, or anything else.

I don't wish for such a sanitized world. Our race often is married to our cultural heritage, so removing all signs of it isn't the goal.

This is false. Heritage is an identity, race is a entirely made-up in the minds of people who wish to exert power over others. There is no black gene or white gene. It's all imaginary. And has NOTHING to do with heritage, everything to do with power. I'd love for someone to explain to me what "white heritage" is.

It's being true neighbors in community, exactly as Dr. King preached.

I'm sorry but it's pretty ballsy of you to quote a man who did not believe in such inhumane concepts as "Don't worry about it til the numbers swell." Dr King preached that there are no throwaways or expendables, an injustice against one of us is an injustice against all of us. everything you've said in this thread is contradictory to that principle. Also I'm not sure how he'd feel about your assertion that black people don't care about other black people unless the killer is white.

And in my community, blacks and whites are not at each others' throats. That's more likely an internet phenomenon where strangers meet to accuse and argue.

Ohhh, well if it's not happening in YOUR community.

Can someone please explain to me when we were taught that our personal experiences = empirical data?

 

[willhunt]

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It's quite easy when they claim to have been slaves.

Okay, now see there. I'm guessing you're white. Me too, we just see things differently.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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Okay, now see there. I'm guessing you're white. Me too, we just see things differently.

Since they don't wanna hear it from me, can you explain to these people that black people have been protesting the violence in our neighborhoods for longer than I've been alive? Some might even be surprised to learn that not only do we protest violence, but also immigration, the environment, and a host of other causes that are equally as important to us. "Bu bu bu bu bu but I don't see it." That's because "Black kids paint anti-violence mural" is less likely to make the news than "Gun fire on the south side of Chicago," and let's be real, some people ALL they know of blacks is what they see on the news.

Once again bias against people of color paints a false image that contributes to the narrative that we are simply getting what's coming to us. And the bias isn't harmless either. When Hurricane Katrina struck and media and social media users spread false stories of widespread rape and murder, it hindered the rescue process. Instead of responding with humanitarian speed rescue came with military-like caution. Because of lies about black people, rumors that never would've been given breath and life if it was an affluent white demographic. There is no such thing as harmless racism. The purveyors simply don't pay attention to the infinite manifestations of their bias.

 

[opinterph]

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It's amazing how [cops] risk their lives for low pay and thankless people.

How much is “low pay?”

 

[inbed]

Re: ex police chief instructed officers to arrest and frame random black men

Since they don't wanna hear it from me, can you explain to these people that black people have been protesting the violence in our neighborhoods for longer than I've been alive? Some might even be surprised to learn that not only do we protest violence, but also immigration, the environment, and a host of other causes that are equally as important to us. "Bu bu bu bu bu but I don't see it." That's because "Black kids paint anti-violence mural" is less likely to make the news than "Gun fire on the south side of Chicago," and let's be real, some people ALL they know of blacks is what they see on the news.

Once again bias against people of color paints a false image that contributes to the narrative that we are simply getting what's coming to us. And the bias isn't harmless either. When Hurricane Katrina struck and media and social media users spread false stories of widespread rape and murder, it hindered the rescue process. Instead of responding with humanitarian speed rescue came with military-like caution. Because of lies about black people, rumors that never would've been given breath and life if it was an affluent white demographic. There is no such thing as harmless racism. The purveyors simply don't pay attention to the infinite manifestations of their bias.

I absolutely get you. Absolutely.
If there are doubters, I have two words for them.

Puerto Rico

 

[inbed]

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I am going to make a blanket statement for which I take complete responsibility: I think I can tell the color of the various posters. It's just an observation. I'm praying for a day in a world when this is not so. (For full disclosure, I'm white. I hope you couldn't tell and I'm hoping my sentiment just fuckin' floods the joint.)







Dear Pandora, Kiss my ass.

Sincerely, Pollyanna

By the way, willhunt, for full disclosure, I'm mixed race - white and whiter. Just so you know I get you too.