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3 Florida Ex-Cops Sentenced in Scheme to Frame Innocent Black People

Re: ex police chief instructed officers to arrest and frame random black men

I absolutely get you. Absolutely.
If there are doubters, I have two words for them.

Puerto Rico

and this is why I have hope, people like you who are empathetic and understanding and don't take a perverse pleasure in opposition against people of color. people whose judgment and perceptions aren't shrouded in ignorance and lies about people of color. I'm still reeling from "black people don't protest the violence in their own backyards." Yes the fuck we do. Have done so for a long time.
 
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I am going to make a blanket statement for which I take complete responsibility: I think I can tell the color of the various posters. It's just an observation. I'm praying for a day in a world when this is not so. (For full disclosure, I'm white. I hope you couldn't tell and I'm hoping my sentiment just fuckin' floods the joint.)







Dear Pandora, Kiss my ass.

Sincerely, Pollyanna

By the way, willhunt, for full disclosure, I'm mixed race - white and whiter. Just so you know I get you too.

Hey inbed, give Pollyanna a kiss for me.
 
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http://www.detroitmi.gov/Portals/0/...FICER PAY RANGE.pdf?ver=2016-01-26-143413-033
In Detroit the pay range is $36,000-$54,000. The high end is decent pay, but the low end is hardly worth risking your life over.

Nobody forced them to take that job. Is what we would be saying if it was black cops terrorizing white people. And that "thankless" comment was so pedestrian. When someone violates YOUR civil rights, or bullies people in your neighborhood or shoots your pre-teen son who was simply playing with a toy gun there's not really a Hallmark card for that type of "Thank you."

Again, you're assuming that police treat black people the same way they treat white people which, again, shows that you don't really understand this topic. As do your comments about thanklessness [what does that even mean, not that word, the whole statement?] and all that other shit.
 
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We have individual laws on the books named after white people, the idea is that no bad thing should happen to any white person ever and if it does punishment should be swift and heavy-handed. The Matthew Shepherd Act, Caylee's law, Marsy's law, Johnathan's law. Where's Trayvon's law or Sean Bell's law or emmitt till's law?

it's like a person who witnessed a rape but didn't intervene, so to maintain emotional stability they convince themselves that "the victim was asking for it, she shouldn't have been at that party, wearing THAT skirt, and she got way too drunk
The first law named after a person that came into my mind, even before reading yours, was Megan's Law. There'e plenty more where these laws came from. Take all of these people (who the laws were named after) at the time of the crime, age them forty years, put them all in one room, change 3/4 of the women into men, and it will look like a Trump rally. Maybe they'll just throw a black person in so that he can point to "my African-American." (I wish this was a joke, but it's not.)

police sexual assault rates are higher than the general population and that's naively assuming that we KNOW about all the cases and that they are charged and prosecuted accordingly.
That is certainly a good indicator of what kind of approach they may have when they're out-and-about...with guns.

Statistically, if you are black and in the morgue to identify a family member shot by a bad apple, there is about a 90% likelihood the tragedy is due to another black American
At least stay with the topic IN CONTEXT, please. The "bad apple" context was referring to police, specifically - not to racial demographics. For that matter, bad policing resulting in unjustified murder of civilians has sometimes (though not as often - and there are far fewer black cops anyway) resulted in a black cop killing a black person...but, OK, addressing the "another black American" thing...:

People who are living their everyday lives are most usually spending their time in the vicinity of where they live or work. "In-between" the two, people are usually in their cars, or perhaps on buses or trains...people don't often commit murders in the public spaces (or cars) they inhabit between the two places, or while shopping and such. Furthermore, some workplace mass-murders notwithstanding (which are usually done by somebody who was fired), people are usually on their better behaviours when they're at work or nearby, because jobs generally require that the person keeps their demeanor and conduct "on the straight-and-narrow." People who commit murders often (usually?) are preceded by use of drugs or alcohol within the hours leading up to the murder, and that is usually something that happens at home, or close to home. It's mostly LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION...so many of the places that have high murder rates in whole or in part are some of the larger cities, where segregation and discrimination (especially in housing) over the years has caused clusters of nationalities and/or races within specific neighborhoods. Furthermore, the human tendency of networking often means that people from one or two specific countries will tend to cluster into neighborhoods (such as Armenians in Los Angeles, Somalis in Minneapolis, Chinese in Vancouver, etc.).

Of course if a black person is murdered, it will probably be by another black person...simply because must murders take place close to home, OR take place against somebody who the murderer knew previously. Exactly the same, if a white person is murdered, it is probably a white person who did the murder...again, because of VICINITY...and because white people tend to live where other white people live. If a Pakistani is murdered at Devon and Western in Chicago, the murderer is probably not American, and is very unlikely to be black - most likely the murderer is from the southwest quadrant of Asia (which includes India to the Middle East) - again, it has to do with where people live. If a Polish man is murdered in Cheektowaga, New York (the most Polish USA city), it will most likely be a Pole who is the murderer...I can substitute any ethnicity I want (ASSUMING that it's in a neighborhood that is significantly large with a dominant demographic). Mexicans kill each other in their neighborhood, Swedes kill each other in Swedish neighborhoods, etc. Never mind some crime rates may be small, but whatever the dominant demographic of any neighborhood is, those will usually be the people who harm each other. This is so, not only because of the concentration of a given demographic in a neighborhood/area, but because people (yes, including WASP's) tend to know more people from their own demographic...and, if they are involved in illegal activity such as dealing drugs, they're also more likely to trust "their own kind."

Of course this is true in foreign countries as well. Though the murder rate is low, it's usually Japanese killing Japanese in Japan, Ghanans killing Ghanans, Swiss killing Swiss, etc.

So, yes, black people are usually killed by other black people. Why would it be any different for black people than any other demographic group?

None of the above addresses police killings. "All bets are off" on that, because that job tends to attract A-Type personalities who are strongly dogmatic, and I'd bet anything that racism is far more common in police than even the general population. Very often, racists LOVE their guns...

I don't wish for such a sanitized world. Our race often is married to our cultural heritage, so removing all signs of it isn't the goal.
I moved out of small-town Illinois to ESCAPE a rather homogeneous culture, even despite a University being here. In a seven minute walk from the entrance of the high rise I live in, at a busy time of day, I can almost guarantee (if I actually had a way to know, in some cases) that I will see at least 13 of these 15 nationalities/origins of people:

white (of some kind of Western European heritage) (the most common SINGLE demographic)
black (the next-most-common; am including American and non-native)
Jewish (probably the third-most-common)
Mexican/Central American (or, instead of Jewish, may be third most common)
Japanese
Indian/Pakistani [Asia]
Indians [Native American]
Russian
Chinese
Thai
Vietnamese
Korean
Polish
Brazilian
Pacific Islander

I relish this entirely. Within that seven minute walk, I'm aware of shops or restaurants which are owned or worked by ten of these fifteen, and I very often hear sidewalk conversations in languages entirely unknown to me. It is all good, and it's beautiful!
 
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Frank you're a Godsend. I flop like a fish every time I see you've posted in my topics as I know it will be something wise, sensible, and kind. And most of all, as is sorely lacking in the US these days, empathetic. I hope people are taking notes.
 
Re: ex police chief instructed officers to arrest and frame random black men

Frank you're a Godsend. I flop like a fish every time I see you've posted in my topics as I know it will be something wise, sensible, and kind. And most of all, as is sorely lacking in the US these days, empathetic. I hope people are taking notes.

I'm takin' notes: I love Frank, fab, and inbed.
 
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I'm takin' notes: I love Frank, fab, and inbed.

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Re: ex police chief instructed officers to arrest and frame random black men

At least stay with the topic IN CONTEXT, please. The "bad apple" context was referring to police, specifically - not to racial demographics. For that matter, bad policing resulting in unjustified murder of civilians has sometimes (though not as often - and there are far fewer black cops anyway) resulted in a black cop killing a black person...but, OK, addressing the "another black American" thing...:

Yes, but the drumbeat is that blacks are unjustly killed at higher rates and their plight is laid at the feet of white oppression. Every day, in multiple threads, this drum is beaten. There is no denying that. And it comes from an single source.

The same member denies, deflects, excuses, redirects and equivocates about the much bigger problem of blacks murdering blacks. That is a much greater injustice with much greater impacts, yet no similar glare is shone upon the brothers.

People who are living their everyday lives are most usually spending their time in the vicinity of where they live or work. "In-between" the two, people are usually in their cars, or perhaps on buses or trains...people don't often commit murders in the public spaces (or cars) they inhabit between the two places, or while shopping and such. Furthermore, some workplace mass-murders notwithstanding (which are usually done by somebody who was fired), people are usually on their better behaviours when they're at work or nearby, because jobs generally require that the person keeps their demeanor and conduct "on the straight-and-narrow." People who commit murders often (usually?) are preceded by use of drugs or alcohol within the hours leading up to the murder, and that is usually something that happens at home, or close to home. It's mostly LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION...so many of the places that have high murder rates in whole or in part are some of the larger cities, where segregation and discrimination (especially in housing) over the years has caused clusters of nationalities and/or races within specific neighborhoods. Furthermore, the human tendency of networking often means that people from one or two specific countries will tend to cluster into neighborhoods (such as Armenians in Los Angeles, Somalis in Minneapolis, Chinese in Vancouver, etc.).

Of course if a black person is murdered, it will probably be by another black person...simply because must murders take place close to home, OR take place against somebody who the murderer knew previously. Exactly the same, if a white person is murdered, it is probably a white person who did the murder...again, because of VICINITY...and because white people tend to live where other white people live.

I'm sorry, but your analysis leaves out the much higher murder rate among the black population. It is far out of proportion to the black population within the larger population. If poverty and location were the key, the white murder rate, for there are surely many poor whites, would be far in excess.

And, the culpability remains. Black people are killing black people at a devastating rate, yet no threads about that. None. It only comes up when brought in by discussion. It's embarrassing for the black population. It's an inconvenient truth. It distracts from the preferred blame game.

And portraying counterarguments as mere lack of empathy is as disingenuous as it is false. There has been plenty of outrage from all quarters when we have threads about injustice. But not agreeing that the issue is the greater crime against black Americans is quickly and inaccurately portrayed as contempt for blacks, or even ill will.

I don't know any members here whom I converse with who wish blacks would die. I don't know any friends here who resent black success or want them to remain an underclass. Yet Fab constantly equates disagreement with his tedious assertions as nothing short of Klan membership. That's plain old propaganda, or in less academic terms, horse shit.

Union organizers were all communists. Jews were all scheming loan sharks. Texans were all redneck conservatives.

Polarizing arguments are not new on JUB, and the painting of the opposition as the devil isn't new here either. If Fab's claims were true, the accused would be starting threads that depict blacks as inferior, yet we don't see those. We only see members refuting the gross exaggerations that Fab makes ad nauseum.

And, not surprisingly, he can get a handful of folks to get on board his bandwagon, but he doesn't gain any traction with the larger numbers. That's plenty telling.
 
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Yes, but the drumbeat is that blacks are unjustly killed at higher rates and their plight is laid at the feet of white oppression. Every day, in multiple threads, this drum is beaten. There is no denying that. And it comes from an single source.

This is what I choose to talk about. This attitude like I'm invading your private space or taking something away from JUB is a reflection of your own perceptions, not my threads. :idea:

The same member denies, deflects, excuses, redirects and equivocates about the much bigger problem of blacks murdering blacks. That is a much greater injustice with much greater impacts, yet no similar glare is shone upon the brothers.

Now you're lying. I have not only NOT denied that blacks kill each other in aggressive numbers, I explained before [more than once] and Frank did in THIS thread that murder across all races matches that trend due to geographics, proximity and familiarity. Whites kill whites in record numbers, Asians kill Asians and so forth. Little as it's spoken white men account for fuck-near all, upwards of eighty-some percent of serial killers but you aren't protesting that, why? Because you aren't associated with the fuckery of your demographic the way black people are always guilty by association. When a white boy shoots up a school nobody talks about death metal or "violent white culture" the way rap music and urban culture are blamed every time a black man jaywalks. :rolleyes:

In addition to explaining the reason for the trends you offered in a purposely confusing and incomplete format so as to wink wink nudge nudge suggest this imagined lack of concern, I explained that for decades black people have been protesting the violence in our neighborhoods, begging for better policing and hosting events in conjunction with the church to improve police-community relations. This narrative that our arms are folded across our chest and we are pouting endlessly and making no attempts to connect with law enforcement and in fact hate them are categorically false and, frankly, inflammatory but I understand you only feel that way because you grew up in an era where mistreatment of people of color was strongly denied and when it couldn't be denied it was justified. I would hope that you consider some of this information next time you let those fingers fly across your keyboard about a group of people that, frankly, it seems like you have spent/spend little time with and certainly don't talk to very often outside of salutations and platitudes, in the most impersonal, insincere, shallow and cursory manner possible. Nobody who has ever had an in-depth conversation about violence with a person of color believes the things that you believe unless they weren't listening. We are deeply concerned about the massive and consistent loss of life, only something other than human wouldn't be which, again, is what the common school of thought was about my people when you were growing up [so don't take my disagreeing with you personally]. That we were inhuman. Unfeeling. Feral even. You can't seriously tell me you think if a black mother's child is killed by another PoC that she just plops down on the recliner and turns on Price is Right cuz SHUCKS it wasn't a white man dat did it?

I'm sorry, but your analysis leaves out the much higher murder rate among the black population. It is far out of proportion to the black population within the larger population. If poverty and location were the key, the white murder rate, for there are surely many poor whites, would be far in excess.

That analysis of violence is so elementary, misleading and dishonest it hardly warrants correction.

And, the culpability remains. Black people are killing black people at a devastating rate, yet no threads about that.

Because when PoC kills PoC they go to prison. mystery solved. in, like, half a second. No need to make a "send black people to prison for killing each other" law, that law already exists, it's called murder.

And portraying counterarguments as mere lack of empathy is as disingenuous as it is false.

Yes, arguing that police killing minorities is anything less than an atrocious civil rights problem that needs to be addressed, like, yesterday, is completely lacking in empathy AND context. You can't sit here and be nonchalant about state-sanctioned murder, because "the numbers aren't high enough" no less, then go "Hey I've got empathy coming out of all of my holes."

There has been plenty of outrage from all quarters when we have threads about injustice.

Uno- yes, but mostly when the aggressor is a PoC, those threads go on for several pages.

Dos- yes, I have seen some members express discomfort with police brutality, sometimes in my own threads, which would probably lend to the blase response to my current topics as an attempt to get under my skin. There's a word for that, rhymes with goal.

But not agreeing that the issue is the greater crime against black Americans is quickly and inaccurately portrayed as contempt for blacks, or even ill will.

If I'm being honest, I have seen "contempt for blacks" expressed in all sorts of colorful [no pun] ways, some discreet some notsomuch. It's not out of the ordinary. It's not like you have to scour the ends of the earth to find someone who has contempt for people of my color. Some days it feels like you can't throw a rock without hittin one.

Union organizers were all communists. Jews were all scheming loan sharks. Texans were all redneck conservatives.

Now you're putting inflammatory words into MY mouth. :?

If Fab's claims were true, the accused would be starting threads that depict blacks as inferior, yet we don't see those. We only see members refuting the gross exaggerations that Fab makes ad nauseum.

Would you believe me if I told you I read language alluding to the inferiority of blacks all the time here? I bet you super wouldn't believe me that it's crept into this very thread. Hint: You MIGHT not be the best person to spot it.

And, not surprisingly, he can get a handful of folks to get on board his bandwagon, but he doesn't gain any traction with the larger numbers. That's plenty telling.

Yes. Yes the fuck it truly is. But not in the way you're thinking. ..|
 
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Okay, okay you guys. It's hard to keep up. Hey! Could you slow this bandwagon down? I'm tryin' to take some fuckin' notes!
 
Re: ex police chief instructed officers to arrest and frame random black men

Okay, okay you guys. It's hard to keep up. Hey! Could you slow this bandwagon down? I'm tryin' to take some fuckin' notes!

Cliff notes version

-black people do not grieve or even get angry when killed by one of their own

-police should be held to the same standard of behavior as murderers, no higher

-I have some sort of problem with Texas apparently.

-Jason has never seen black people protesting violence in their neighborhoods, by the transitive property of "It's not real unless he's seen it" black people do not protest the violence in their own neighborhoods

-murder is mostly "in-house" which is true for all races, but only significant for the black race

-Apparently when PoC kill PoC there's some sort of injustice involved. Not sure how cuz they go to prison for it, but something about it is unjust. Just don't ask what.
 
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Re: ex police chief instructed officers to arrest and frame random black men

Again, I can't stress this enough, we DO care, we are afraid and we want it to change. I must be honest, this whole supposed blind eye to in-house violence is categorically false. And mildly racist. Not saying anyone here is racist, just this donkey shit about apathy.
 
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I can't help but notice a trend.

-Random JUBer posts misleading or false statement about black people
-Fab posts proof to the contrary
-gets quieter than a mouse pissing on cotton ten miles away
 
Re: ex police chief instructed officers to arrest and frame random black men

No body never said nothing like that, I don't think so.
 
Re: ex police chief instructed officers to arrest and frame random black men

No body never said nothing like that, I don't think so.

Someone said exactly that, although speaking from a place of not knowing is clearly the trend in this topic.
 
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