$4 Trillion

[EastMed]

So why are these current wars so costly?
Because they corrupt the perpetrator.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jul/25/us-foreign-policy-war

 

[T-Rexx]

So much for "the oil revenues in Iraq will pay 100% of the cost of the war".

GWB's legacy will haunt the United States for decades. The damage he wrought on America is just staggering.

 

[laikaNYC]

So much for "the oil revenues in Iraq will pay 100% of the cost of the war".

GWB's legacy will haunt the United States for decades. The damage he wrought on America is just staggering.

Damn that GWB, his legacy will haunt us even when he's burning in hell with SATAN

 

[texpatriot]

Damn that GWB, his legacy will haunt us even when he's burning in hell with SATAN

I'm sure that for Bush ^ that's not factoring in the daily costs of the Iraq / Afghanistan wars, which were officially (and still apparently are) "off the books."

I heard on the radio today, that Senate Majority Leader Reid suggested that 'part of the cuts be taken out of the daily expense of the war in Afghanistan because the war would presumedly be ending soon.'

Apparently the Republican response was, 'not counting on "spending" money isn't the same as a "cut."'

You're little graphic, and the current "debt ceiling" debate just illustrates more Republican "Voodoo Economics" I'm afraid.

From what I understand, anything less than $4 trillion dollars in deficit reduction could still effect America's Standard and Poor's rating.

Your cute little graphic left out Ronald Reagan, and George Bush41.

That leaves us with three Republican Presidents; Reagan, Bush41, and Bush43, and two Democratic Presidents Clinton, and Obama.

As I recall my American Political History, the Democrats Controlled both houses of Congress under Reagan, and Bush41, and the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress under Clinton and Bush43.

Since the United States Constitution Authorized Congress to come up with a budget and not the POTUS, I blame both houses of Congress, and both political parties for getting us into this mess.

 

[opinterph]

... That's how I know your post is a pile of horseapples.

Are the numbers represented in the graphic incorrect?

 

[texpatriot]

See that little red and blue circle in the lower right corner of that screencap? The one with that guy's name on it?

That's how I know your post is a pile of horseapples.

That or an admission that Bill Clinton is in fact THE best American President of the past 20 years!

 

[T-Rexx]

Damn that GWB, his legacy will haunt us even when he's burning in hell with SATAN

I do not doubt that.

The man is 65 years old. He cannot possibly outlive the destruction he has caused.

As for your graphic, almost all of the Obama debt is a result of GWB administration policies. In fact, without the tax cuts (and the Bush wars, and the depression his policies caused), Obama would already have reduced the debt substantially.

In a just world, GWB would already have been arrested and tried for treason.

It should be possible to repair the damage that GWB caused, of course, but I would be very surprised if the Republican Party would allow this. Despite the obvious disaster these policies caused, Republicans (inexplicably) continue to insist that this is the only way forward.

It's very strange.

 

[BostonPirate]

Debt increases are offset by predecessor presidents and legislators. The Congress is getting ready to enact a ten year plan. even if Obama wins a second election, the debt he makes through interest payments and policy changes on spending, will show under the term of that president.

Anyone know of any republican bills that are costing us money? maybe one simmilar and icluding the Bush tax cuts extensions?

anybody?

here is what the current president spent so far through legislation compared to the others...

compare that to the policy changes and what they cost the nation over a set time period....

Now try to understand that when you pass sweeping decades long legislation, you cannot turn around and blame the other guy for it not working out as you had promised the american people.

 

[BostonPirate]

thank god President Obama worked tirelessly to get end the Bush tax cuts and withdraw all forces from Iraq/Afghanistan.

You can thank the GOP's filibuster addiction for that one, champ.

 

[BostonPirate]

I blame them too.

you'd think, though, that when electing someone proclaimed to be the greatest public speaker in a generation, he'd have the powers to pursued 2 GOP senators to vote with the majority.

What should he have done? sign executive fiat changing the rules of congress? The GOP has everything they want right now in this debt ceiling thing, and they are still reaching for more, and wont support anything the president approves of.

there is NO comparison. Obama actually has had republicans within his cabinet, never mind the comparison to bush of gutting the debt of justice and filling it with political lackeys to make executive rule by fiat unchallenged in the courts.

when you become speaker of the house it doesn't seem unreasonable to count votes and write a bill that over 217 people will vote for. In spite of every fake promise the GOP made to retake the house, nothing they did as obstructionists compares to the absolute inept speaker Boehner and his inability to write and get bilss passed into legislation.

 

[chrisrobin]

See that little red and blue circle in the lower right corner of that screencap? The one with that guy's name on it?

That's how I know your post is a pile of horseapples.

Fox O'Reilly laikaNYC

As my grandma told me, "Statistics never lie, but liars use statistics."

Tide comes in, tide goes out.

 

[T-Rexx]

Interesting thought experiment.

Imagine if the Supreme Court had picked the popular vote winner of the election of 2000, Al Gore (the man most Americans wanted to be president). No Bush wars, no Bush tax cuts, no Bush depression, no destruction of the middle class, no organized bigotry against gays, no state constitutional amendments preventing us from getting married.

We would be basking still in the budget surpluses of the Clinton/Gore administrations.

What a beautiful world that would have been.

 

[BostonPirate]

Interesting thought experiment.

Imagine if the Supreme Court had picked the popular vote winner of the election of 2000, Al Gore. No Bush wars, no Bush tax cuts, no Bush depression, no destruction of the middle class, no organized bigotry against gays, no state constitutional amendments preventing us from getting married.

What a beautiful world that would have been.

Truer words never spoken

 

[T-Rexx]

thank god President Obama worked tirelessly to get end the Bush tax cuts and withdraw all forces from Iraq/Afghanistan.

You seem to be saying that Obama didn't.

I can appreciate that the president failed in many of his stated goals, perhaps due to personal incompetence.

But it is not correct to imply that he has not tried to reverse much of the damage caused by the previous administration.

 

[Kulindahr]

If terrorists want s to leave the Middle East alone, they're striking the wrong places. They should find out when board meetings are, and blow up the offices of the big defense companies.

 

[BostonPirate]

from my vantage point, it seemed like...

Obama: hey guys, maybe we shouldn't extend the Bush tax cuts.
Republicans: no.
Obama: ok! *signs bill extending Bush tax cuts*

really????

your memory is that short? you dont remember them having to sleep over at the end of the year and miss christmas vacation, because they once again, refused to sign ANYTHING that taxed the wealthy?

None of that?

This thing that we are doing now, we did six months ago. The republican dialogue has not changed once, nor has its behavior changed once.

OBSTRUCT. They made it the goal of their party as elected officials to make and take any action, no matter how disastrous to the nation, that removing Obama as president was their ONLY priority, and stated that publicly, and you have no recollection?

 

[T-Rexx]

from my vantage point, it seemed like...

Obama: hey guys, maybe we shouldn't extend the Bush tax cuts.
Republicans: no.
Obama: ok! *signs bill extending Bush tax cuts*

I agree.

This president tries far too hard to accommodate an opposition which does not have the interests of the nation in mind. In attempting to be so bipartisan, he borders on incompetence in administration.

 

[BostonPirate]

how can you negotiate a compromise with a group of people who demand that 100 percent of their demands be met without condition?

That is not compromise. It is not negotiation. It is blackmail.

 

[T-Rexx]

how can you negotiate a compromise with a group of people who demand that 100 percent of their demands be met without condition?

That is not compromise. It is not negotiation. It is blackmail.

I agree. You can't negotiate with people unwilling to compromise.

So why does the president keep giving in 100% to their unreasonable demands?

 

[texpatriot]

What should he have done? sign executive fiat changing the rules of congress? The GOP has everything they want right now in this debt ceiling thing, and they are still reaching for more, and wont support anything the president approves of.

there is NO comparison. Obama actually has had republicans within his cabinet, never mind the comparison to bush of gutting the debt of justice and filling it with political lackeys to make executive rule by fiat unchallenged in the courts.

Well in all fairness so do the Democrats in both the House and Senate.

If President Obama gets everything that he wants, what are the Congressional Democrats and Republicans going to argue about, fear monger over, and tell half-truths, and distort the facts about between now and November 2, 2012?

Obama is suggesting a political "game changer."

Both Houses of Congress, and both Political Parties are going to do whatever it takes to make sure that they get re-elected next year, and fuck whatever a one term Senator for Ill wants to do, with an eye on a 2nd term as President.

when you become speaker of the house it doesn't seem unreasonable to count votes and write a bill that over 217 people will vote for. In spite of every fake promise the GOP made to retake the house, nothing they did as obstructionists compares to the absolute inept speaker Boehner and his inability to write and get bills passed into legislation.

Boehner is stuck between a rock and hard place.

Not some place I'd care to be, but the whiny little bitch wanted to be Speaker of the House of Representatives.

He's been around long enough to know the difference between "compromise," and "bipartisanship."

He's getting neither from his own party, or from the 5+ Democrats that he added to call something "bipartisan."

He should text pictures of his cock to a Congressional Page now so that he'll be one step closer to making millions as a "conservative consultant" for Wall Street!