400,000 more people without Health Ins this year - Over 59 Million Total

[Just_Believe18]

The bill is not fully in effect yet!

 

[opinterph]

WOW!

this is what happens when you let the foxes into the henhouse

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I think you are correct that the number of uninsured in America continues to increase at a rate that has become somewhat predictable in recent years, but I do not understand the “foxes into the henhouse” analogy. Care to explain?

 

[MoltenRock III]

WOW!

this is what happens when you let the foxes into the henhouse

all of that political capital spent for this clusterfuck

so fucking sad

What do you expect? Republicans used every tactic in the book to blow the Healthcare Reform Act out of the water, along with $200 billion in advertising pumped into TV by insurance companies, which handicapped Democrats from getting the bill thru the process whereby everyone would be covered in 2014.

Don't blame Democrats for trying to make America a better country, and one with much better healthcare, but rather blame those hate filled Republicans that were out to make sure 250,000+ families per annum were still forced into medical bankruptcies, and young uninsured people slaves to the system. Sorry, but you don't get to bitch on one hand about how "awful" the Obama/Bob Dole/Romney/Republican 1994 Bill" is and then on the other hand whine and bitch that the bill doesn't go far enough. Maybe if you wouldn't have been such stalwart do nothings, the bill could have been much better out of the chute.

 

[Kulindahr]

What do you expect? Republicans used every tactic in the book to blow the Healthcare Reform Act out of the water, along with $200 billion in advertising pumped into TV by insurance companies, which handicapped Democrats from getting the bill thru the process whereby everyone would be covered in 2014.

What makes me irate is that most of those Republicans will claim to be Christians. They lie, because if they were, they'd heed this:

But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?

And at the very least they wealthy among them would be dumping the greater portion of their wealth into endowments to make sure that no Christian ever had to worry about paying a hospital bill; it would all be covered.

That they don't, by the Bible's measure, means the love of God doesn't abide in them. By extension, that casts into doubt their identity as Christians. I say it makes them blasphemers.

JockBoy, you know any Democrats in Congress from where you are who are Christians? I'd love to see one read this verse on the floor of either chamber and call the Republicans out for the filthy servants of "Mammon" (ancient god of riches and avarice) that they are.

I wonder if I could get into the gallery with a sign like that? It might be worth getting arrested for.

 

[Kulindahr]

for those who cant click through




very long article by LA Times but you can get the drift


and... I dont believe i can embed the video

BD, thanks for that. That came to my mind, because of Senator Wyden's town hall meeting here the other night. He has provisions to cover that in his health bill, which got shoved aside in the stampede to Get Something Done. For one thing, he was very upset that the bill which did pass didn't allow re-importation of medications. He also recommended for those of us struggling to pay for meds to look into online methods of getting them from Canada.

I need to do that; as it is, every time I get a new order, I have to give up lunch for a month and driving for several weeks to cover the cost.


edit: he made a comment about Republicans who talk about letting market forces help, but won't vote for solutions which would do exactly that. A Democrat who's more market-oriented than his Republican colleagues is amazing -- he may get my vote next time.

 

[Edward Twinkletoes]

The bill is not fully in effect yet!

And hopefully, it never will be!!!!

 

[Edward Twinkletoes]

What do you expect?

A frozen turd on a Popsicle stick. At least the Democrats didn't surprise me in that regard.

 

[hotatlboi]

This is exactly why health care reform was needed. More and more people are losing their health insurance.

The reform will allow about half those people to obtain coverage, a substantial improvement.

 

[rareboy]

I think we'll have to see what happens in a year or so.

There is no doubt that insurers are taking a rapacious approach at the moment.

But they are soon going to find that many customers my withdraw from plans completely, at least until the reality of needing coverage again kicks in..

And then they'll have to compete more effectively or see new competition, including more state based public option plans take their business away from them.

Your choice people.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

And hopefully, it never will be!!!!

I would like to ask you what you think should happen to people who have no health insurance or are vastly under insured.
I get the me first its my money and I don't want to pay for anyone but myself routine, and blah blah blah everyone should be able to be on their own even if they lazy stupid bums only make minimum wage thats their own fault I don't need the socialist government telling me what to do.

How do you not understand as the system is now, last year, & 6 yrs ago you are paying . When someone gets ill or suffers major trauma they do get basic medical care and as they decline due to not having what is needed they often become a ward of the state. Eating up their usual inadequate estate and available funds they go onto government programs when they may linger in a assisted nursing home needing care that is costly.
It doesn't take long to take out what one considers a decent savings to cover medical cost.
Say you suffer a major stroke and can no longer function without regular medical expense, and can no longer work or hold the salary you did before. On top of maintenance, and physical therapy to learn how to talk and move your arms/fingers to pick up a fork. You need daily assistance to take care of things like showering and wiping up after yourself you need medical care to avoid a even more severe stroke or other infections and complications that will plague you for the rest of your life. You lose your hospitalization, you lose your home, but still you live for 12 more years and the taxpayer all pays for you. Not saying you have any quality of life but maybe its better than being dead.

As things are now this is covered to some degree even though its in decline as Medicaid cuts continue leaving those that could have some or even greatly improved quality of life and be productive int he hands of long term federal/state care in a survival status only.
Perhaps with proper medical care a lot of these sort of health crisis such as a stroke could be caught prior to it occurring?

Terry Schiavo was a excellent example. After her heart attack brought on by her bulimia leaving her in a coma in 1990. She remained in this state for 15 yrs and in 2005 the cost of her maintenance was $250,000 + a yr , then add other medical services to make sure more illness/infection didn't occur which is common in such a weakened state. Do you think her family was paying this yearly bill? Do you think they could? Do you think Catholic Charities, Salvation Army, or Jewish family services were paying this yearly bill to keep Terry's heart beating in the Hospice? No it is the government programs that maintain her.
This is not unique and to think that the incredible increase in baby boomers rapidly moving into the system will take care of itself is just numbing.

It will directly effect the USA economy. The elderly and huge population in general will just pulverize any strides in reducing the deficit.

The word I believe you avoid Mr. Twinkletoes is euthanasia so you don't have to pay for anyone who can't take care of themselves without a added cost to you?

I'm not all that keen on many aspects what I know about the new health care but I know its a start and I know first hand how things are now.

Perhaps Mr. Twinkletoes you will be unlucky enough via a car accident or a family member entering into a long term dreaded situation and you will find a bit of compassion that surpasses the dollar bill and your paranoid fear of the government telling you that you won't be able to eat a BK whopper or use your skateboard?

 

[White Eagle]

Sorry vulgar_newcomerj, You are talking to someone who either doesn't understand the situations of others or who just doesn't care.
This is the whole Republican view in the matter.

 

[rareboy]

I have to believe that Edward Twinkletoes the person is nothing like one of the avatars he uses on this site.

Edward Twinkletoes the avatar is apparently incapable of comprehending the basic tenets of civil
society. Obviously he never was a boy scout or went to Sunday School.

Somewhere along the way, he has just joined the ranks of those in the US who believe that universal access to affordable healthcare is anathema and that only those who have taxpayer supported jobs, union contracts or part of the white collar cadre should have coverage.

You are casting pearls Vulgar.

You are wasting your time trying to convince the self absorbed of anything.

 

[Kulindahr]

This is exactly why health care reform was needed. More and more people are losing their health insurance.

The reform will allow about half those people to obtain coverage, a substantial improvement.

Be honest -- it will require them to obtain coverage.

Why don't we just round up all the poor and sick and shoot them in the streets?

Some of us will shoot back.

 

[Kulindahr]

I have to believe that Edward Twinkletoes the person is nothing like one of the avatars he uses on this site.

Edward Twinkletoes the avatar is apparently incapable of comprehending the basic tenets of civil
society. Obviously he never was a boy scout or went to Sunday School.

Somewhere along the way, he has just joined the ranks of those in the US who believe that universal access to affordable healthcare is anathema and that only those who have taxpayer supported jobs, union contracts or part of the white collar cadre should have coverage.

You are casting pearls Vulgar.

You are wasting your time trying to convince the self absorbed of anything.

You're making assumptions on the basis of a black-v-white worldview. That's the same error people like Dobson and his "Focus on the Family" make.

Widen your horizons.

 

[rareboy]

You're making assumptions on the basis of a black-v-white worldview. That's the same error people like Dobson and his "Focus on the Family" make.

Widen your horizons.

I will when Twinkletoes does. His right wing reactionary posts only appear to support my opinion of his positions on all issues.

I see only narrow self-interest and partisan approaches in his opinions on all political matters.

I think it is safe to presume that he wasn't indicating that he doesn't want the bill to become law because he is still holding out for the public option in the health care reform bill.

Or are you suggesting that he's the same in real life as on a CE&P when you say that my horizons aren't wide enough?

 

[Kulindahr]

I will when Twinkletoes does. His right wing reactionary posts only appear to support my opinion of his positions on all issues.

I see only narrow self-interest and partisan approaches in his opinions on all political matters.

I think it is safe to presume that he wasn't indicating that he doesn't want the bill to become law because he is still holding out for the public option in the health care reform bill.

Or are you suggesting that he's the same in real life as on a CE&P when you say that my horizons aren't wide enough?

Let me point out your blind spot: you're assuming that the only possible way to go here is government intervention.

 

[Kulindahr]

I would lack sympathy for a person who had access to health care before having a preventable emergency that increases the cost of health care for every one else. That is why it is required.

So you require them to buy something they won't be able to afford to use.
If I were low enough on the economic pole to have the government pay totally my insurance premiums, it would make a difference in my health care at all: making use of that "service" would still require me to give up eating and driving for long stretches at a time. As it stands, this law is just a way to funnel money to the insurance companies and not give people at the bottom a bloody thing.


Or is the government going to borrow from the CHinese to pay my deductibles?

 

[hotatlboi]

Be honest -- it will require them to obtain coverage.

And provide aid to do so if they can't afford it.

That's why the bill cost so much. Most of the cost was subsidies for the poor. It's totally false to say that the poor will be negatively affected by this bill.

 

[rareboy]

Let me point out your blind spot: you're assuming that the only possible way to go here is government intervention.

Oh I don't think it is a blind spot at all.

Health care, like education should be a civic responsibility since it is, in effect, the core of societal structure. When the private sector is not able to ensure reasonable costs and better outcomes for the populace, it is not going to be corrected by the private sector. And what the US is proving is that the private sector cannot be trusted to ensure either universal access or better outcomes or lower case costs.

And do not suggest that private enterprise would do a better job of educating.

 

[JB3]

Oh I don't think it is a blind spot at all.

Health care, like education should be a civic responsibility since it is, in effect, the core of societal structure. When the private sector is not able to ensure reasonable costs and better outcomes for the populace, it is not going to be corrected by the private sector. And what the US is proving is that the private sector cannot be trusted to ensure either universal access or better outcomes or lower case costs.

And do not suggest that private enterprise would do a better job of educating.

They do. Charter schools have already proven that.