45 years in prison for spreading HIV

[fabulouslyghetto]

ummmmmm. are not condoms pretty self-explanitary?

Nope. There's a right way and wrong way to put them on, we've got pregnancy and STD stats to prove it. Remember that saying about ASSumptions?

 

[Lefty]

you are right fab. i forgot that when my dad saw me starting to grow pubic hair he set me down and did the whole birds/bees/pollen and trees thing. even gave me my first pack saying something along the lines that him giving them to me was not condoninganything but better Safe than sorry for anything. he could be a right old bastard but hw was never dumb. god i miss him some days

 

[kallipolis]

Nope. There's a right way and wrong way to put them on, we've got pregnancy and STD stats to prove it. Remember that saying about ASSumptions?

Despite the easy availability of condoms, there are many people who are far too lazy to use them. The it cannot happen to me, syndrome. I'm indestructible. Or, so they, fantasise.

Indifference comes with a price.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Despite the easy availability of condoms, there are many people who are far too lazy to use them. The it cannot happen to me, syndrome. I'm indestructible. Or, so they, fantasise.

Indifference comes with a price.

You know what else comes with a price? Complete ignorance of social constructs, assuming that there's one precedent for everyone, that situations don't vary. Someone is inevitably left behind and, as usual, they shoulder the blame as well.

 

[figjam]

... and keeping the men separated.

Now how do you propose keeping men in an all male prison seperated?! I see you are hitting the head-against-the-brick-wall as usual - what do you suggest we do with HIV+ criminals?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Now how do you propose keeping men in an all male prison seperated?! I see you are hitting the head-against-the-brick-wall as usual - what do you suggest we do with HIV+ criminals?

Good question..... just kidding, no it's not. Separate housing perhaps? To be honest though that's not MY proposal, they already do that in some prisons.

It's all good though sweetie, it's not your fault that you're unaware. I do fault you for not using common sense though. How do you separate men in prison? Maybe use the thick walls and bars and cell blocks they already use.

Common sense ain't common anymore is it?

 

[figjam]

Good question..... just kidding, no it's not. Separate housing perhaps? To be honest though that's not MY proposal, they already do that in some prisons.

It's all good though sweetie, it's not your fault that you're unaware. I do fault you for not using common sense though. How do you separate men in prison? Maybe use the thick walls and bars and cell blocks they already use.

Common sense ain't common anymore is it?

lol. No "sweetie" those thick walls and bars are meant to keep them in. They still share cells, showers, mess halls, communal areas. Each man is not blocked into a concrete square. Have you seen a prison (movie/Discovey channel)?

It is not ignorance - it is called 'reality'.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

lol. No "sweetie" those thick walls and bars are meant to keep them in. They still share cells, showers, mess halls, communal areas. Each man is not blocked into a concrete square. Have you seen a prison (movie/Discovey channel)?

It is not ignorance - it is called 'reality'.

Those thick walls and bars aren't just meant to keep them in but to keep them segregated. I've seen prison, my father used to visit one every week.

There are different cell blocks, different wards, PC, etc... So...now you know....that you CAN separate HIV+ men in prison the same way you separate by race or levels of offense or threat.

 

[figjam]

Those thick walls and bars aren't just meant to keep them in but to keep them segregated. I've seen prison, my father used to visit one every week.

There are different cell blocks, different wards, PC, etc... So...now you know....that you CAN separate HIV+ men in prison the same way you separate by race or levels of offense or threat.

When did you dad stop visiting?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

When did you dad stop visiting?

Fail. I was 17 at the time, he was actually doing ministry work.

So...time for a pop quiz. Prisons have, in the past and currently, separated men by which categories?

A) Offense

B) Threat level

C) Race

D) HIV status

E) All of the above

You have fifteen minutes, when you're done, pencil down, face up.

 

[figjam]

How old you now?

 

[kallipolis]

You know what else comes with a price? Complete ignorance of social constructs, assuming that there's one precedent for everyone, that situations don't vary. Someone is inevitably left behind and, as usual, they shoulder the blame as well.

Lovely words, devoid of meaning. Why avoid the issue?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Lovely words, devoid of meaning. Why avoid the issue?

Void of meaning? Well I guess that depends on how you interpret them. Social ignorance, just as epidemic as HIV. Or is "social ignorance" devoid of meaning as well?

 

[figjam]

Void of meaning? Well I guess that depends on how you interpret them. Social ignorance, just as epidemic as HIV. Or is "social ignorance" devoid of meaning as well?

OMG - spare us the melodrama and just answer the question... ?

 

[kallipolis]

Void of meaning? Well I guess that depends on how you interpret them. Social ignorance, just as epidemic as HIV. Or is "social ignorance" devoid of meaning as well?

Social ignorance is a reflection of stupidity. Stupidity cannot be contracted, through sexual relations. The word stupidity is politically incorrect, but better reflects the reality of those people who choose to say, no to the use of condoms. And then are surprised by the pregnancy, and/or the sexually transmitted infection.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

OMG - spare us the melodrama and just answer the question... ?

There was a question in there? Oh, I didnt' see it amidst all the empty rhetoric. We already explained this a page ago, there are more reasons than laziness that people forego condoms. Of course to understand this you'd have to realize that not everyone lives the same life as we do. That's the part that's not clicking in Kall's head.

 

[kallipolis]

There was a question in there? Oh, I didnt' see it amidst all the empty rhetoric. We already explained this a page ago, there are more reasons than laziness that people forego condoms. Of course to understand this you'd have to realize that not everyone lives the same life as we do. That's the part that's not clicking in Kall's head.

The human person does not need to attend an Ivy League university to be able to appreciate the value of utilising a condom. Society does its best to inform the public of the absolute need to use condoms during sexual relations. This has been part and parcel of a public health programme for nearly thirty years. If some choose not to follow good advice, then the thought strikes me that their choice evidences their indifference to sound advice. This behaviour may be called stupid, or even ignorant, but hardly encourages us to imagine, that there is much more than that to consider.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

The human person does not need to attend an Ivy League university to be able to appreciate the value of utilising a condom.

Oh really? Got any kids? Why not send 'em to school in the south side of Chicago or Compton or Decatur, GA?

Society does its best to inform the public of the absolute need to use condoms during sexual relations.

That's a good one. 'Cuz, ya know, every time we see someone have sex in a movie they always stop to put on a condom. Every time I stroll through the hood you almost can't see past all the Awareness tables where they hand out condoms.

This has been part and parcel of a public health programme for nearly thirty years.

Somewhat, yes.

If some choose not to follow good advice, then the thought strikes me that their choice evidences their indifference to sound advice. This behaviour may be called stupid, or even ignorant, but hardly encourages us to imagine, that there is much more than that to consider.

Well there ya have it folks. Kalli has just solved all of our problems. Mental and emotional disarray aside, people who don't use condoms are just stupid. Why didn't we think of that?

Oh yeah, that's right, 'cuz it's far more nuanced than he's implying.

I (don't) envy the bubble you live in.

 

[kallipolis]

Oh really? Got any kids? Why not send 'em to school in the south side of Chicago or Compton or Decatur, GA?

Is their a legal requirement in the United States to send teenagers to school, in order to learn how to fit a condom? Or are we assuming that all teen pregnancies and/or sexually transmitted infections are the result of people who did not benefit from being educated, in their need to utilise condoms when engaging in sexual relations?

That's a good one. 'Cuz, ya know, every time we see someone have sex in a movie they always stop to put on a condom. Every time I stroll through the hood you almost can't see past all the Awareness tables where they hand out condoms.

You will also note that in movies, no one visits the toilet. But they do in real life.

Of course bars, pubs, discos, dance halls do not maintain condom machines in their rest rooms. Condoms are never sold in pharmacies, or in supermarkets. People never visit supermarkets, or pharmacies, or bars. Do they?





Well there ya have it folks. Kalli has just solved all of our problems. Mental and emotional disarray aside, people who don't use condoms are just stupid. Why didn't we think of that?

Oh yeah, that's right, 'cuz it's far more nuanced than he's implying.

I (don't) envy the bubble you live in .

People with special needs, are catered for, by our society. We are discussing the general population. There lies the issue at hand. People who should know better, and act accordingly, unfortunately do not. The high teenage pregnancy rate, and high sexually transmitted infections rate, evidence this unwholesome fact of life. That behaviour is best described as stupidity.

 

[luminum]

Despite the easy availability of condoms, there are many people who are far too lazy to use them. The it cannot happen to me, syndrome. I'm indestructible. Or, so they, fantasise.

Indifference comes with a price.

When you don't live on a college campus, condoms are freaking expensive. Not everyone has the income to afford that consistently. If they sold them individually for the amount they sell them per box, it might be less of a barrier. But even a deal like $20 bucks for 36 condoms is $20 bucks that someone may need to spend on rent or food or gas, all of which are just as necessary to livelihood as safe sex. Why do you think there's such a big push in free condoms on college campuses? It's because the price of buying condoms and the stigma of buying condoms in a public place are well documented and recognized barriers to condom use and safer sex practices in health behavior research. How many college students, for example, would be having unprotected sex if they had to go out and buy their own condoms?

It's not just the "lazy crowd." Yes, there is a problem with indifference to safe sex, but why is it always assumed that when people do "irresponsible" things, it's because they're "stupid" or "too lazy?"

If social justice has demonstrated anything, it's that the larger perspective of social inequity, social behavior, and health behavior is a far better explanation than "laziness and stupidity." Again, people who have most (if not every) social privilege have little reason to be so reckless, but a great deal of people are not so privileged (there is no "general population of social advantage") and there are a great number of reasons for why there are so many health disparities.

And particularly vulnerable racial, ethnic, economic, and sexual minorities, even women as a minority group, (which together probably contribute to what I would estimate as a majority, scarily enough) are far from "surprised" by their STIs or unintended pregnancies. In the larger argument of social inequity, people aren't surprised--they're waiting. They wait for these things to happen. They know the odds are stacked against them. They come in for STI tests all the time and each time they're surprised they haven't contracted what is viewed as an inevitability for them and the people in their communities.