48% side with Wis. Gov. 38% with unions

[Kulindahr]

Silver wrote Rasmussen’s 2008 Presidential tracking poll "would probably be the one I'd want with me on a desert island."

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/tracking-poll-primer.html

Wow.

This is a superb example of what when I was in debate we called "inviting a slam" -- effectively begging the other team to kick you in the ass and then stomp on you. It was a great way to lose an entire round in just a few seconds.

I don't think the public opinion is any surprise. I am new, but I am very surprised at the lack of openess in some of the people who respond here.

I see phrases like "balancing the budget on the backs of the workers", and "crushing the little guy", even "destroying the middle class".

But I think when you see a poll like the above you have to at least consider that there may be a huge cross-section of Americans who are just tired....

• tired of struggling to pay more property taxes to support a class of Americans that seem far, far above middle class to average working Americans - maybe "Privileged Class" is a better term for the Unionized workers
  
• tired of having to work in a Union shop and having dues taken from your pay without choice, and having to financially support candidates you don't even agree with - true taxation without representation
  
• tired of hearing Union workers complain about benefits you can never see in your lifetime
  
• tired of hearing that yet again, even if they pick up a small portion of their benefit costs, there won't be aggressive cuts in their rates of pay, even though your family has faced cuts in wages, forced unpaid days off, elimination of overtime, etc
  
• tired of seeing Unions and Governors work out 12-24 month fixes vs. making the long-term, systemic change that allows the return of prosperity for the average worker

Let's face it Corporations have done well, Unionized workers have done incredibly well in these tough times, it's the real little guy who has been forced to pay for both. I think that is what those types of polls really show.

You're talking about the top-tier unions, which are the ones that get the attention. They're the ones who like many corporations operate on greed. But there are unions representing the little guy, which need help and protection from the government -- but they're not getting it because the money men who buy the candidates don't want real people having a voice.

This game has been going on at least since Reagan. The wealthy unions got theirs, and do nothing at all to help workers who barely get enough to live on, the ones who need powerful unions. It's why instead of a minimum wage around $30/hr, which is what it would be if it had kept up with inflation from the 70s, we have a minimum wage around a third of that.

 

[laikaNYC]

Even FDR warned that allowing public sector unions collective bargaining rights was "Unthinkable and Intolerable."

 

[Lostlover]

So, just because a plurality of Americans feel one way, that makes it right?

And finally, in economist Paul Krugman's latest column, he talks about how unions are the last megaphone for the lower and middle classes. The rich have the money, power and lobbyist groups in Washington. A select few rich in New York and DC pushed toxic mortgages and derivates that eventually led to Wisconsin's fiscal woes. And yet the unions are the scapegoats?

Also are people aware that the Wisconsin governor is CUTTING TAXES, yet teachers have to lose their collective bargaining power? GTFO of here with that budgetary concerns bullshit.

 

[Kulindahr]

Even FDR warned that allowing public sector unions collective bargaining rights was "Unthinkable and Intolerable."

So? FDR was an authoritarian.

 

[chrisrobin]

.nytimes.com

Need I say more?

Yes. So what's your point?

 

[chrisrobin]

Even FDR warned that allowing public sector unions collective bargaining rights was "Unthinkable and Intolerable."

Would it be possible to include the context in which this quote was made? Your boys are always accusing someone of quoting them out of context. Bet you can't.

 

[chrisrobin]

Silver wrote Rasmussen’s 2008 Presidential tracking poll "would probably be the one I'd want with me on a desert island."

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/tracking-poll-primer.html

When do you leave?

 

[joaama]

I saw a poll where 60 some percent supported the union.

It was USA Today or something like that.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yes. So what's your point?

Less than two minutes using google:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=15445

 

[Knucklehead]

The first poll in the Wisconsin union issue has come out. Most people are siding with Wisconsin's new governor, only 38% are supporting the unions. The fake sick notes and teachers who aren't teaching aren't going over too well.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...overnor_in_wisconsin_spat_38_side_with_unions

Looks like people have gotten over Breitbart and his fake notes..Maybe they realize when government can crush the most powerful in the country,maybe there isn't much of a chance for them to organize..

http://themoderatevoice.com/102199/usa-todaygallup-poll-61-oppose-limiting-union-bargaining-power/

SOLIDARITY.