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71 % of USA thinks Bush is to blame for recession

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The 71% saying Bush should get blamed was a modest decline from the 80% who felt that way about a year ago, in July 2009.

What about President Obama?

In the July 2009 poll, a third, 32%, said he should shoulder a great deal or moderate amount of the blame. That percentage has risen -- no surprise, given that he's been in office for 20 months. Now almost half, 48%, do. But 51% say he's dealing with problems he inherited, not created, saying he deserves not much or none of the responsibility for economic problems that include high unemployment and a faltering housing market.
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/09/poll-george-w-bush-obama-economy/1

This spells trouble for the republicans in their drive to pin the economic woes on the president and places them just as at risk for the economic concerns as the dems.

It seems to also indicate that the Dems are gaining traction on their push to focus the Ire of the voters on the republican policies they are STILL pushing that led to the recession.

I am actually surprised that there are not more people blaming the president for the economy, but I guess I underestimated the voters on this one.
 
You really have to admire this young president who stepped into this huge mess Bush left and is doing his best to fix it. To make matters worse, the vestiges of the former administration have been doing their damnedest to discredit him and still are trying to make matters worse. Since the Republicans drove us into the ditch (as others have said) they're still trying to grab the steering wheel and keep us in the ditch.

The Republicans are trying everything possible to keep the economy bad so hopefully the voters will react to it. No other time in American history have there been a more destructive group of un-American people than the modern-day Republicans.

Yes, Bush is to blame. EPIC FAIL president.
 
jackoroe said:
Rasmussen has the public blaming Obama by 1 point over Bush. More importantly, Bush isn't president so Obama will feel the public's wrath come November. Count on it. Problem is they'll replace the incompetent democrats with incompetent republicans.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../48_blame_obama_for_bad_economy_47_blame_bush
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we are looking at two different sets of numbers

the USa today poll has similar figures that rasmussen reports, but it shows that how the question is asked is what is important.

71 percent blame Bush and the repubs for the problem, but its pretty even as to whom the votes consider responsible for finding a sollution or a lack thereof.
 
jackoroe said:
Problem is they'll replace the incompetent democrats with incompetent republicans.
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What's the answer then, if both Democrats and Republicans are incompetent? Does this mean that democracy is a failure?
 
jackoroe said:
Rasmussen has the public blaming Obama by 1 point over Bush. More importantly, Bush isn't president so Obama will feel the public's wrath come November. Count on it. Problem is they'll replace the incompetent democrats with incompetent republicans.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../48_blame_obama_for_bad_economy_47_blame_bush
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Unfortunately that's what happens when you are surrounded by incompetence on either side. Incompetent becomes your only option and you are forced to decide which is the least incompetent.
 
MoltenRock III said:
Egad! Don't say that! Everything was tits and roses under Bush. :rolleyes:
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Goddammit! You're right.

The Bush years..... peace, prosperity, no terrorist attacks on our soil, infrastructure built and repaired, hundreds of millions of jobs created all with living wages. There ere equal rights for all, no one went hungry. Pollution eradicated. Stock market soared. Open and transparent government. He and his Vice President left office with the highest approval ratings of all time. It was paradise on earth. Kumbaya.....

Enter Barack HUSSEIN Obama.....:grrr:

He started two wars, tortured prisoners, the stock market plunged, millions thrown out of their homes. Enron is his fault. Hurricane Katrina is his fault. Silverado Savings and Loan is his fault. He's a secret socialist trying to enslave the masses with his Kenyan Muslim beliefs. And he's one of them uppity coloreds too.....

We must return to the Bush years. Must. Return....
 
CowboyBob said:
What's the answer then, if both Democrats and Republicans are incompetent? Does this mean that democracy is a failure?
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IMO democracy has not failed but the two-party system has failed. Look at the country. Republicans are disgusted with republicans, democrats are disgusted with democrats and each are disgusted with each other. Epic meltdown. The two parties have turned into nothing but self-serving power brokers. Personally, I think the country fell to fascism under Bush. The SCOTUS has validated that by giving corporations the "right" to manipulate voters with billions in campaign donations and they are allowed to do so without any transparency to avoid being boycotted. Some, like Fox News, are being deliberately transparent, as witnessed by their recent "donation" of $1 million to the Republican Governors Assn. This is "fair and balanced"? Also, never mind that Fox/Newscorp's second biggest shareholder (next to Murdock) is a Saudi muslim (Kingdom Properties). Since the republican party has always been the protectorate of corporate dictates, guess where that money is going? The Tea Party is just a subset of this strategy. They basically split the GOP right down the middle. True conservatives are bailing the GOP and they have their own civil war going on internally...with Tea Party neocons.
 
Orlandude said:
IMO democracy has not failed but the two-party system has failed. Look at the country. Republicans are disgusted with republicans, democrats are disgusted with democrats and each are disgusted with each other. Epic meltdown. The two parties have turned into.................................................................
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And all of this can be placed at the feet of money in politics. Between the hatefest FOX has nightly, and the hundreds of millions of $$$$ that is plowed into the political system by corporations, Washington DC has become nothing other than a tar pit of scandal, lies, fraud, abuse, and fucking the middle class.

While the GOP trollbots post endless threads about Mexicans and illegal immigration the USA is turning into Mexico more and more everyday, whereby the affluent making up 10% of the population are insulated from any problems, the other 20% who are struggling middle-class but keeping their heads above water, and the rest of the 70% are poverty stricken minions, chained like slaves in working their fingers to the bone, and dying very young, and in poor conditions. That's the USA in 2050 if things don't change dramatically.
 
MoltenRock III said:
And all of this can be placed at the feet of money in politics. Between the hatefest FOX has nightly, and the hundreds of millions of $$$$ that is plowed into the political system by corporations, Washington DC has become nothing other than a tar pit of scandal, lies, fraud, abuse, and fucking the middle class.

While the GOP trollbots post endless threads about Mexicans and illegal immigration the USA is turning into Mexico more and more everyday, whereby the affluent making up 10% of the population are insulated from any problems, the other 20% who are struggling middle-class but keeping their heads above water, and the rest of the 70% are poverty stricken minions, chained like slaves in working their fingers to the bone, and dying very young, and in poor conditions. That's the USA in 2050 if things don't change dramatically.
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I was thinking about that today. Wondering how different it would be if all contributions except those by individuals were banned, and spending was capped. When the last presidential election saw a combined total of $1.3 billion being spent, with one candidate spending almost double the other, then there's a problem.
 
JB3 said:
I was thinking about that today. Wondering how different it would be if all contributions except those by individuals were banned, and spending was capped. When the last presidential election saw a combined total of $1.3 billion being spent, with one candidate spending almost double the other, then there's a problem.
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McCain and the supremes put the nails in the coffin on stopping that from being fixed.
 
MoltenRock III said:
And all of this can be placed at the feet of money in politics. Between the hatefest FOX has nightly, and the hundreds of millions of $$$$ that is plowed into the political system by corporations, Washington DC has become nothing other than a tar pit of scandal, lies, fraud, abuse, and fucking the middle class.

While the GOP trollbots post endless threads about Mexicans and illegal immigration the USA is turning into Mexico more and more everyday, whereby the affluent making up 10% of the population are insulated from any problems, the other 20% who are struggling middle-class but keeping their heads above water, and the rest of the 70% are poverty stricken minions, chained like slaves in working their fingers to the bone, and dying very young, and in poor conditions. That's the USA in 2050 if things don't change dramatically.
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i concur...but id like to add some things

i dont place the blame fully on our two party system......if we had more educated voters...politicians would actually care and therefore would work for us....sure youd still have corruption here and there....but i believe it is the voter that has let our government run over us...irony i know
 
JB3 said:
No, they didn't. The issue is way more complicated than that.
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its as simple as the voters demand it. If we insisted that it happen then it would. But we don't and they know they can get away with it.

Thats as complicated as it gets.
 
BostonPirate said:
its as simple as the voters demand it. If we insisted that it happen then it would. But we don't and they know they can get away with it.

Thats as complicated as it gets.
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Voters also demanded slavery and the internment of Japanese citizens. :rolleyes:
 
JB3 said:
Voters also demanded slavery and the internment of Japanese citizens. :rolleyes:
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so is that just to be arguentative or are you saying you don't want to have campaign finance reform because it equates to slavery and internment? :confused:
 
JB3 said:
I was thinking about that today. Wondering how different it would be if all contributions except those by individuals were banned, and spending was capped. When the last presidential election saw a combined total of $1.3 billion being spent, with one candidate spending almost double the other, then there's a problem.
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I firmly believe in public funded elections. Maybe for House elections they get $1 million each, plus 100 "free" TV commercials in their district" (or similar). The Senate would get $5 million plus 150 "free" TV commercials. The President would get $100 million plus 1,000 TV commercials. (Or whatever.)

Campaigning could only take place in the 6 months leading up to the election.

If there were a private fund raising component perhaps it could make up 10% or 20% of the total monies given, so thereby one could raise a little extra money to run. Or one had to split all monies raised with their opponent 65% to 35%, or similar. Or 60% - 40%.

The non-stop campaigning, with zero time in between for governing is killing the country. House members have to raise money for their next election starting on the day they are sworn in.

The money has got to get out of politics. The federal politicians won't ever adopt a system that would hamstring them, so it may need to come from the states as they have the ultimate decision in who represents them. The state legislature who has no conflict of interest in deciding this, could draft very strict guidelines on how these elections are to be run, and if the person running for federal office doesn't like it? They can go fuck themselves, as the state has the ultimate decision in setting many of these laws, and the SCOTUS can't do a damn thing about it.

Additionally, a group of 5, 10 or 15 states could group up together to formulate very similar guidelines.
 
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