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A Deal on DADT?

opinterph said:
Ugh. Even with your description, I have not been successful in locating the language of the amendment. ](*,)
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I'm sorry. I made a mistake. The correct reference is H.AMDT.672. It amends H.R.5136. There is a summary available at Thomas.gov. I checked the search feature this time, and it took me there.

The summary has the following provision related to implementation.

An amendment numbered 79 printed in House Report 111-498 to repeal Dont Ask Dont Tell only after: (1) receipt of the recommendations of the Pentagon's Comprehensive Review Working Group on how to implement a repeal of DADT (due December 1, 2010) and (2) a certification by the Secretary of Defense, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and President that repeal is first, consistent with military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion & recruiting, and second, that the DoD has prepared the necessary policies and regulations to implement its repeal. It would also include a 60 day period after certification before the repeal took effect.
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This was the basis of my date and analysis. Repeal becomes effective after the oft-mentioned study is reported (Dec. 1). There must also be policies for implementation. After those policies are finished, there will be a 60-day waiting period. So you see, I don't find a situation in which DADT is repealed with no non-discrimination policy in place.
 
construct said:
This was the basis of my date and analysis. Repeal becomes effective after the oft-mentioned study is reported (Dec. 1). There must also be policies for implementation. After those policies are finished, there will be a 60-day waiting period. So you see, I don't find a situation in which DADT is repealed with no non-discrimination policy in place.
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That's the way I read it. It doesn't allow for a return to the pre-WWII situation when things were a bit vague, or the Korean War times when there was a total ban on even appearing to "act homosexual"; it requires things to move forward. In a way it tells the military they don't have to rush, they don't even have to make progress -- but that if they do, there's no turning back.
 
I guess the thing that still makes my blood pressure rise the most is that when the Iraq/Afghanistan wars were in full force, a very good friend of mine who is a commissioned officer was reactivated for the remainder of his service due.

It required him to back out of a new condo he was buying, cancel his plans for grad school and report back for the (almost) two years he had remaining on his commitment. He had already told his unit he was gay when he left, not thinking he would be reactivated.

He went to the intake center and TOLD his commanding officers. Their response? They didn't care...he was back in and on his way to Afghanistan. His unit knew he was gay...he had told them. They had met his partner. Still no problem.

Justin introduced me to at least 20 other service members who he was friends with and all were openly gay. It was no problem.

Another friend is about to be called back to Afghanistan as a front line medic. One would not have to ask nor would he have to tel. I asked him if he has ever had a problem and he said...never. His troops accept him for who he is with no issues.

From what they have said and I have seen, the issue seems to more be with the upper brass who are older and not nearly as enlightened as the younger troops. Just like my son (who is a First Lieutenant) and his friends -- they have never had issues playing football with my friends when they visit DC; I've taken them to the drag show (and on stage); and their generation is enlightened that there are differences. As my son has said, "Dad, I get more annoyed with a guy who snores."
 
Wait so I'm confused.

Did a repeal to DADT get passed? Or are they still debating?
 
boiseboy said:
Wait so I'm confused.

Did a repeal to DADT get passed? Or are they still debating?
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It passed the House.

It passed out of committee in the Senate, which means it goes to the floor for consideration.

And I do so wish that one percent of the 3/4 of Americans who want it to pass write to their senators!
 
boiseboy said:
Wait so I'm confused.

Did a repeal to DADT get passed? Or are they still debating?
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A repeal of DADT was passed by the House as an amendment to a Department of Defense appropriations bill. It has not yet been passed by the Senate, but I strongly suspect that it will. The repeal will be proleptic. It will not be actual until certain things take place (which I explained in a previous post). There is evidence that those conditions will happen sometime soon after the first of the year.
 
RazorzEdge88 said:
Could they even pull off a filibuster? It's bad enough that most of the country doesn't support DADT, but how could Snowe, Collins, and Brown realistically filibuster DADT repeal and then answer to their respective states? They'd look completely foolish and compromise their electability.
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There's the key to the thing: if the Democrats stand firm, it will take only a few valiant Republicans to stop a filibuster.
 
Well last year with the Matthew Shepard Act being inserted as an amendment to the Defense Bill, it still passed by 68/29. Even though the DADT repeal is in the bill, several Republicans will still vote in favor of it because it won't be worth fillibustering the entire bill over just one detail.
 
Speaker Pelosi on DADT: 'This is over'

I was just on a conference call with Speaker Pelosi, and asked her about the recent DADT repeal compromise passed by the House. I mentioned that many of our military leaders are talking about the repeal of DADT not being a "done deal" yet, and they're increasingly talking about the Pentagon's implementation study being about "if" and not just "how" to implement a repeal.

Pelosi's response: "This is over."

Let's hope the Pentagon gets the message.
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http://gay.americablog.com/2010/06/speaker-pelosi-on-dadt-this-is-over.html
 
I highly doubt Scott Brown will vote to fillibuster the entire defense bill. He really has been taking crap from both sides of the spectrum (not being conservative enough but also screwing over gay rights supporters).

Also Lisa Murkowski, Dick Lugar, and George Vinovitch have supported GLBT rights in the past. I also don't see Judd Gregg voting to fillibuster the entire bill just over that detail.
 
Jockboy, is the Senate amendment the same as the house amendment? If it is and if it passes, then it will be hard for it to get stripped out in conference, right?
 
JockBoy87 said:
Identical, and yes.

The amendment is a compromise concocted by Sens. Lieberman and Levin, and Rep. Patrick Murphy.

The possibility for being stripped out in committee is in the event of a successful filibuster, whereupon the Armed Services Committee might reconsider and report out a new defense bill without the amendment. In that case, there might be a lot of pressure to remove it in the House version as well.
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But a filibuster can be stopped if you have 60 votes, right? That's why only a few Republicans would be needed to kill it.
 
Here's an interesting development: in several primary races around the country, the Victory Campaign has found gay or lesbian candidates to stand against representatives who voted against the DADT legislation.

May they all win!
 
I want them to keep DADT in place because if there is ever another draft (not likely, but you never know..) then draft dodgers (like me :badgrin:) will have a ready-made excuse. Although it probably wouldn't work like that, but oh well.
 
I heard that there is a gay man running to unseat Mary Bono Mack in California (she voted against repeal, which is unusual since she has a long history of supporting pro-glbt legislation)

Good news regarding Scott Brown not voting to fillibuster the defense bill. I assume Olympia Snowe won't do it as well. If no more Republicans step foreward (which I think is unlikely anyways) 3 Democrats could vote for a fillibuster and we'd still be fine.
 
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