A friend.....still?

[metta]

Please answer the following and lets assume that you discussed these issues with your friend and your friend was unwilling to change his/her position:



1. If you have a friend that supported and pushed for the extermination of Jewish people, would you still be their friend?





2. If you have a friend that was fighting to end allowing couples of different races getting married, would you still be their friend?





3. If you have a friend that was pushing to exterminate the entire middle east, would you still be their friend?





4. If you have a friend that was pushing for laws to bring back slavery, remove non-whites from school, and insist that they sit at the back of the bus, would you still be their friend?





5. If you have a friend that supports taking away your basic civil rights, would you still be their friend?









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[metta]

^
I'm just curious to see where peoples values lie and how far they are willing to go to support them.

 

[Piquechampion]

No to ALL....

 

[Lightsage]

No to all of them.

I'd probably rip into them verbally until they started crying for it too. I've done it before for different reasons.

At that point if they still hold those values they'll be dropped faster than humanly possible.

 

[G-Lexington]

So, let me jump way to the potential end.

You're going to find out which of your "friends" voted for Prop 8.
And you're going to find out which of your "friends" voted for McCain.
And they're off the Christmas list.

Lex

 

[Alpha1851]

I'm going to say "yes" to all of the above. Why? Well, I'm pretty persuasive, and I hope that by being their "friend," I could change their minds. I could talk w/ them and show them that love is always better, more useful, wiser, and more productive than hate. Also, people tend to let their guard down if they consider you their friend. You can get into their head. Figure out what makes 'em tick. Find their vulnerabilities. What they're afraid of. This information can help ya to slowly and subtly manipulate the situation. People are much more likely to listen to a friend who disagrees w/ their viewpoint than they are to listen to a stranger who holds an opposing viewpoint. I think I could make a difference. Why not try--what have you got to loose Metta? I take it that some of your "friends" have disappointed you lately.

 

[GL]

i can honestly tell you that my friends do not support the positions listed but even if they did i would still be their friend.

do not be mistaken though, the relationship may be rocky from time to time because i will stand my ground and my beliefs.

why? because i try not deal in 'absolutes.' i would hope that my being their friend might lead them to question their own beliefs. change doesn't happen on its own.

 

[metta]

So, let me jump way to the potential end.

You're going to find out which of your "friends" voted for Prop 8.
And you're going to find out which of your "friends" voted for McCain.
And they're off the Christmas list.

Lex

No, I have no problem with people voting for McCain. I have friends that are voting for McCain. As for supporting Prop 8, that I do have a problem with. But I also do not have any friends that would support Prop 8.

 

[metta]

Wow Noelie, I have no idea where all of this is coming from. That is an interesting statement. I have never met a perfect human being and I don't think that it is fair to expect it.


As for your comment....I'm not sure what you want to discuss here. I will answer it for me. I can't really answer it for other people.

condemn people for mistakes made years ago,

There are three people that I have dropped from my life because of prior things they have done. One was a friend that tried to aggressively sexually attack me. The other two are a married couple that get their kicks out of hurting other people again and again without any remorse. I also have a couple family members that I try to avoid because the only time they talk to me is so that I can bail them out of their latest emergency.

block phone calls

I don't know how to do that. I have never had the need to do so.

blank out others (also on JUB) for the slightest offence (sometimes on behalf of others).

I don't have an ignore list....empty....I'm not even sure where it would be on this site, however, I am aware that it is an option on this site.

 

[belamy]

Can you imagine why I have lots of acquaintances, some of them even considering themselves friends of mine, while not having ANY friends at all myself..?

 

[metta]

Can you imagine why I have lots of acquaintances, some of them even considering themselves friends of mine, while not having ANY friends at all myself..?

lol....damn....that is what I call high expectations.....

I guess you have been jaded a little by the whores

 

[Riverrick]

I would find it difficult to remain someone's friend under the listed conditions. I think after arguing my points and seeing them fall on deaf ears, I would find myself feeling less close to them and pulling away.

Family members are different. You put up with them but don't necessarily have a close relationship with them.

I don't expect my friends in CA to vote for Prop 8.....I'm sure they won't. I'm not so sure of my relatives in CA, though.

 

[belamy]

lol....damn....that is what I call high expectations.....

I guess you have been jaded a little by the whores

In fact, whores have been my salvation rather than my damnation: if I had depended exclusively on "normal" people for my sexual development, right now I might be sitting to the right of Jeffrey Dahmer [ame]http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=OFEIhM46lKY[/ame]

 

[kevbo]

I don't know if those people would want to even be friends with me...

 

[sixthson]

It's an awfully extremist view to think that gays being denied the right to marry is the equivalent of the Jewish Holocaust, the annihilation of the entire Middle East or placing any race of people back under slavery.

A point of view like this is likely to turn people away from your political cause, rather than toward it, in my opinion.

How does making this kind of connection, where there is none to be made, differ from those who oppose gay marriage by saying it will destroy the nation, in general, and the family, in particular? They are both scare tactics used by the fearful and insecure.

To your question about friendship, these kinds of people would not be my friends in the first place. You don't just wake up one morning and decide to hate Jews, Muslims, blacks and everyone who is different from you. This kind of hatred and ugliness grows over time and those whom you call friends, know it.

Would I be friends with someone who thought gays should not be allowed to marry? Why not, we have known quite a few people over the years whose views about gays have changed for the better because they got to know us for who we are.

 

[metta]

^
Yes, I do need a long nap...have not slept much lately. But the thread is getting people to think a little, which is basically all that I wanted.

 

[Joshua_me]

1) No

2) No

3) No

4) No

5) No


Umm, where are we going with this ?

 

[Joshua_me]

Hmm...

I think maybe a little sleep is needed, babe.

We'll still love you tomorrow. Promise.

 

[Centexfarmer]

^
I'm just curious to see where peoples values lie and how far they are willing to go to support them.

Or more to the point, how far anyone of us are willing to remain someone's friend.

I can't imagine associating with anyone who held such views, much less calling them my friend.

 

[metta]

I just thought that I should mention that the list should not have one event compared with each other. It was never an attempt to equate one with another. It has more to do with observing differences in opinion on various events.