A Gay Gene? Interesting study

[Kurn]

Homosexuality is a vital and necessary part of the natural human social system.
Anti-homosexuality is the perversion. Anti-social. Anti-life.


I have spoken!!

 

[Jannus]

I'm not sure if you've noticed or not, but more and more people are turning away from religion as the years go by. For our nation's youth who are on the fence with this, this will be major ammunition in our favor to discredit it and yet another nail in the coffin of organized religion.

Will it die? Of course not. But between all the negative attention the Catholic Church has especially received as of late, this will only serve to further the cause of resentment towards the Church.

This will not do any harm to us. Quite the contrary and society will be better off knowing the truth.

I have noticed the move away from religion. This means people will have even less reason in the future to avoid aborting their gay fetuses. I don't know how soon it will happen, but at some time in the near future, homosexuality will be rare. When we are old and gray, we may be quite a curiosity.

 

[Jannus]

Homosexuality is a vital and necessary part of the natural human social system.
Anti-homosexuality is the perversion. Anti-social. Anti-life.

I agree.


But the environment is also a vital and necessary part of natural human life, and that hasnt stopped us from doing everything in our power to destroy it.

 

[Sweet20s]

Interesting. I wonder if the gay gene gets passed to both men and women, if there is such a gene. Long story short, I used to play around with this guy, I'm pretty sure he's gay by the way he looks now. And he's got a lesbian aunt.

 

[Kigan2006]

Just thinking here....even if they make a prenatal test, how many parents would really abort their baby because of it? Thinking of all the parents who consider themselves very lucky just to have one child, I find it hard to believe all mothers would abort their children for that reason.

I know things could turn bad for us easily, but at the same time I think parents would love the child more than that.

But that may just be me. I know it could very easily turn to finding a "cure" and abortions. But they can't force the "cure" on anyone, and I don't think all parents would abort the child. Some parents don't have any of those tests done at all, not even to find out the gender. And I like to think most wouldn't abort the baby just for that reason. I've seen the strength of a mother's maternal instinct, to the point of trying to kill someone to keep the baby safe before it is even born. That is just an experience I saw unfold, so I've seen the strength of a mother's love, even to an unborn. I just find it hard to believe a mother could care so little for her child....

 

[Soilwork]

Soilwork and EternalLove, I completely understand your points. However, "coming out" for some people can be a real struggle... often leading to suicide. So, I guess you have to look at the benefits and risks of finding a gene.

Benefits: Less suicides, happier lives, less outcasting, etc.

Risks: Less or no more homosexuals... does this really harm anyone except for the few homosexuals left?

I don't know... I personally wouldn't want my child to have to struggle through this like I have.

Sorry.. but I think you're wrong..

The Christians will say "Yes, you were born with the gay gene, but that doesn't mean you have to act on your sinful urges.. you're just like alcoholics and kleptomaniacs... you have to learn to control your urges."

Then they'll try pass laws that will chemically treat gay people so we have no sex drive at all.

Trust me... it'll be worse..

 

[Soilwork]

I'm not so sure. Because as I said, the Bible will be majorly discredited if this can be proven. Civil Rights activists would be all over this.

And even though the Church has been vehemently against homosexuality based on the teachings in the Bible, they are also vehemently against abortion in any way. Disprove the Bible, then the teachings of the Church become severely questioned. And the question would have to pop up, "Was homosexuality ever supposed to be wrong to begin with or was it something that was simply put into a book for political reasons?"

But given the Church is 100% against any form of abortion, I'm really not so sure.

Since when have Christians been reasonable about anything.

Did you know that 98% of babies with Downs Syndrome are aborted? You think it's just pro-choicers that have those?

Of course not.

When the chips are down EVERYONE is pro-abortion so long as it serves their purpose.

And they're all going to abort gay babies whether they voted for Dubya or not.

All this "Oh, now people will accpet us" bullshit is just that...

People don't hate us because they think we chose to be gay, they hate us because we're different. People who hate black people didn't stop hating them once they realized that being black wasn't a choice and that they were BORN that way, did they?

 

[Soilwork]

But they can't force the "cure" on anyone, and I don't think all parents would abort the child.

Of course they can force the cure on someone.. remember that kid who's parents forced him to go to that Ex-gay bootcamp? He had no choice.. he had to go.. he was forced.

And 98% of babies with Downs Syndrome are aborted.

Trust me, this is NOT a good thing.

 

[Jannus]

But I do think that if this is proven, then people are going to start taking an even closer look at the Church. If the Church can be discredited yet again, especially with an issue as enormous as this, then we will have made major progress.

We can not let things continue the way they are. Lives are being destroyed because of it.

William Miller said the world would end sometime around the end of 1843. This was revealed to him by his study of the bible. Many of his followers sold their farms and all their belongings in anticipation of The End. When the world didn't end in 1843, he decided on October 22, 1844. When that didn't happen, he was not discredited. Today we call his movement Seventh Day Adventism. They're still waiting.

John Calvin founded a religion based on predetermination - that God determines before you are born whether or not you will enjoy an eternity in Heaven or Hell. Today, his followers no longer believe this fundamental thesis on which their church is based. Was the religion discredited and did all the Calvinists go back to being Catholic when they decided the very reason for the founding of their church was entirely wrong? No, they found new reasons to justify their existence. Today we call them Presbyterians.

Joseph Smith said that an angel revealed to him golden plates from which he "translated" a new bible, revealing evidence of Christ in the new world. When a transcript of what he'd written was hidden by the wife of one of his followers to test his "translation" abilities, he was unable to reproduce another translation from the original source. He later found an ancient Egyptian manuscript which he "translated" and which revealed further evidence that Christ had lived in the new world. (Smith lived at a time before ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics had been decoded, and were feared to be forever unreadable). The manuscript Smith "translated" survives. Scholars say it is a routine Egyptian funeral text. Smith also said that God told him men should have several wives, but women were not allowed several husbands. Was Smith's religion discredited? No, today we call them Mormons.

There is no such thing as "discrediting" a religion. Religions are never ever destroyed or even impeded by the discovery that their beliefs are flat wrong. They just make up new stuff to believe in.

 

[AaronG]

As a son of pro-life activists, I can tell you that serious pro-lifers WILL NOT abort gay babies. They'll just keep sending them to "straight camp."

The people who are REALLY anti-gay are also REALLY anti-abortion. The ones we need to worry about are the people who are only sort-of anti-gay, but also sort-of anti-abortion, i.e. willing to abort given enough motivation (this is a LOT of people).

We just have to hope that the pro-choice advocates don't beat the pro-gay advocates to their goal. Otherwise, gay fetuses might get the shaft, so to speak.

 

[MystikWizard]

Since when have Christians been reasonable about anything.

Did you know that 98% of babies with Downs Syndrome are aborted? You think it's just pro-choicers that have those?

Of course not.

When the chips are down EVERYONE is pro-abortion so long as it serves their purpose.

And they're all going to abort gay babies whether they voted for Dubya or not.

All this "Oh, now people will accpet us" bullshit is just that...

People don't hate us because they think we chose to be gay, they hate us because we're different. People who hate black people didn't stop hating them once they realized that being black wasn't a choice and that they were BORN that way, did they?

Well, I think the secret is getting to the younger generation, as undoubtedly they are our population of tomorrow. Convince them, and it furthers our cause for the future.

And respectfully I disagree about the Pro Choicers. The Church will not condone abortion and nor do they want anything to do with altering one's DNA, for any reason.

Not everyone will accept us, once proven. That's unrealistic. But like racism, I think it's fair to say that we've made significant progress in our country with it. It's not a bowl of cherries, but we've come a very long way from where we once were.

So, no it won't be an overnight change once this is eventually proven, but it will be a MAJOR step in the right direction.

We can not go on living like we do now. Suicides as a result of the pressure from the outside world, discrimination ... something needs to be done about it and combating it with scientific evidence is how you make your strongest case. I am confident that this is for the best.

 

[MystikWizard]

They just reported on the Gay Gene Study on Late Night here in Los Angeles.

I'm sure it's been picked up by the major news media, but I simply haven't seen it yet.

They mentioned the concerns from the Gay Community in that they feel that this may be used in determining abortions or genetic modification.

I have 100% faith that this is for the best and I pray that the results comes back favorably. Nobody should endure the level of prejudice and hate gays do in this day and age.

 

[Soilwork]

I promise you it won't make anyone change their minds.

They hate us because we're different and they don't care how we got that way.

People in the south didn't hate blacks any less when they figured out that being black wasn't a choice, did they?

 

[MystikWizard]

I promise you it won't make anyone change their minds.

They hate us because we're different and they don't care how we got that way.

People in the south didn't hate blacks any less when they figured out that being black wasn't a choice, did they?

I think it will make some people change their minds. Not all people, no. That just isn't practical. But any progress is welcomed progress.

As far as people in the South, things have still improved from decades ago, and we can't deny this. In my prior job I did a lot of traveling along the east coast. I went into Virginia, the Carolinas, Kentucky, etc. And the Blacks were truly among some of the nicest people I met and they seemed to get along very well with Whites. At one instance I walked into a hotel at 3 in the morning and a Janitor just looked up smiled, and we wound up talking for several minutes. Of course, that was just one example, but in every one of those states, everyone was very cordial to each other.

I can't say the same for the Central states, as I haven't spent any significant time there. Oklahoma, Kansas, Tennessee, etc. I'm not really holding my breath there. But the fact is that progress has been made.

I'm not expecting a miracle from this. But I do think it will help.

I also just like the satisfaction of hearing science prove and announce to the World what we've known all along.

 

[Soilwork]

yup... it took people coming out and integrating themselves into society. It wasn't a genetic thing.

Gay people, alas, tend to be cowards... they're not going to come out, 95% of the people out there are going to think that they dont' know any gay people so exterminating them won't effect them, and that will be the end of that.

Unless every single one of us comes out to every single person in our lives, the extermination will go on as scheduled.

And upon reading all the lame-ass reasons listed in this forum for not coming out, that's not going to happen.

 

[sixthson]

I've never understood this overwhelming desire many gays have to prove there is a gay gene. Those who don't like us will always dislike us. I imagine it might make many gays feel better about themselves because they live in such shame about their sexuality, but I suspect they would just find some other way to hate themselves.

Whether it's nurture or nature, I don't think you would ever find a single gay person who said he chose one way or the other.

 

[kevbo]

Frustrating.

Why do people even feel the need to study what causes homosexuality? Just accept the fact that it's here and no homosexual chooses to be one. It might be genetic, it might be developmental.

WHO GIVES A FUCK?

We're all adults who have already figured out we like to have sex with the same sex, why do we need a reason as to why this happens? Clearly we enjoy it...

 

[SantaCBear]

and cause more abortions.

Sorry, but as soon as there's a pre-natal test.. the extermination begins.

This is the last generation of gay men who'll actually live in the culture.. as soon as they can, straight people will be ready, willing, able and excited to wipe us off the earth.

Probably so for many couples.... and guess what? We would still fight for the freedom of a woman to do so, wouldnt we?

 

[Pushover]

Why haven't they tested animals, yet?

According to the wiki (I know it's not 100% reliable, but the info's got to come from somewhere):

Homosexual sexual behavior occurs in the animal kingdom, especially in social species, particularly in marine birds and mammals, monkeys, and the great apes. Homosexual behavior has been observed among 1,500 species, and in 500 of those it is well documented. For example, male penguin couples have been documented to mate for life, build nests together, and to use a stone as a surrogate egg in nesting and brooding. In a well-publicized story from 2004, the Central Park Zoo in the United States replaced one male couple's stone with a fertile egg, which the couple then raised as their own offspring.
The genetic basis of animal homosexuality has been studied in the fly Drosophila melanogaster. Here, multiple genes have been identified that can cause homosexual courtship and mating. These genes are thought to control behavior through pheromones as well as altering the structure of the animal's brains. These studies have also investigated the influence of environment on the likelihood of flies displaying homosexual behavior.
Georgetown University professor Janet Mann has specifically theorized that homosexual behavior, at least in dolphins, is an evolutionary advantage that minimizes intraspecies aggression, especially among males. Studies indicating prenatal homosexuality in certain animal species have had social and political implications surrounding the gay rights debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

It seems to me, if there's a gay gene, then they should have tested these animals first.

Either way, I find the very nature of this study NOT horribly fascinating; I find it horribly insulting. There's nothing to cure.

 

[Pushover]

Moreover, after reading some more of this thread, I notice that many seem to feel that they are what they are and no study or 'cure' will change that.

It's the same principle as those born with physical or even mental handicaps. They work their whole lives 'improving' on their 'disability' and living life to a fuller degree because of their 'disability'.

I hope that we will choose to live our lives the way we have, should a gay gene be proven to be reality. They cannot make it mandatory to take a cure, should they find it, anyways; that would be little short of genocide, if not genocide itself. They don't force anyone with any disability or defect to take a cure or even receive treatment. At least not in the USA.

Furthermore, if a gene is actually found, isn't that considered natural, even if it is a defect or mutation? Wouldn't that make homosexuality a natural occurrence? Isn't that something...