A quote by Colin Powell

[Corny]

Some food for thought.
Especially for certain people from the "burn a koran" thread ..

I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.

I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards--Purple Heart, Bronze Star--showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at the very top of the headstone, it didn't have a Christian cross, it didn't have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way. And John McCain is as nondiscriminatory as anyone I know. But I'm troubled about the fact that, within the party, we have these kinds of expressions.

 

[braex27]

An excellent quote from Powell.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

You mean a Muslim who isn't somehow a traitor?
Shocking!

While Obama is almost certainly not associated with any terrorists who aren't heads of state, and McCain is an ass for saying so, Obama can hardly be accused of wearing his heart on his sleeve where it comes to his religion.

 

[BostonPirate]

a pretend christian.

HA

so hes a muslim because of his father hes a radical chrtistian because he attended jeremiah wright's church for twenty years, and then he's an athiest and a fake christian because he just became one this year.

What a fucking joke the republicans and their supporters have become.

You guys just say any fucking thing that comes to mind and see what sticks to the wall. Truth as well as intelligence challenged, all in one party.

Brilliant.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

There is something intensely wrong with a religion where one is expected to betray one's country.

 

[White Eagle]

a pretend christian.

HA

so hes a muslim because of his father hes a radical chrtistian because he attended jeremiah wright's church for twenty years, and then he's an athiest and a fake christian because he just became one this year.

What a fucking joke the republicans and their supporters have become.

You guys just say any fucking thing that comes to mind and see what sticks to the wall. Truth as well as intelligence challenged, all in one party.

Brilliant.

In my travels through this internet highway, I ran across the WorldNetDaily PDF "Obama Eligibility Primer: The Eligibility Issue and What You Can Do".

These fools are still questioning his being eligible. This PDF apparently is dated 2010.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=197557

I just have to laugh at them. There is nothing else you can do.

 

[CowboyBob]

Colin Powell has always been the voice of reason and I admire him very much. Unfortunately he has said he would never run for President. He's too moderate for the Republicans now, but if he decided to run as an independent I have a feeling he would give both parties a run for their money.

He's NOT into demagoguery, so he couldn't run as a Republican.

 

[CowboyBob]

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.powell.transcript.10/index.html

Colin Powell lost all standing for me when he lied to the world. He has a weight of guilt on his shoulders regarding the Iraqi War and as a consequence is at least partly responsible for the death of that kid. I think mr Powell would do better retreating from public life.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that weapons of mass destruction thing. He was going along with Bush/Cheney and I suspect he was told to say that. Follow orders, Colin.

I still like him anyway. Especially now that he's away from the Bush debacle.

 

[hotatlboi]

Powell has had no credibility with me since his attack, as Chair of the Joint Chiefs, the highest ranking military officer in the US, on gay men and lesbians serving in the military - way back during the Clinton administration. His serving Bush/Cheney's lies just further ground his reputation to sht as far as I was concerned. (But I didn't say this before cos I didn't want to get totally off topic.)

He has corrected that mistake by supporting DADT repeal.

 

[hotatlboi]

Like Bill Clinton, too little, too late.
What he says now that he is comfortably no longer in a decision-making position in the government carries a lot less weight.

Well, times were different then. Remember Clinton tried to have open service, but Congress refused.

Not saying that's an excuse, but it was the reality of the situation.

 

[MisterMajestic]

I often wonder about Obama's conversion to Christianity. It's hard to accept that a man of such intelligence would be able to embrace the mysteries of Christianity in 2010 as an adult. It seems much more likely that recognition of the profound social (and political) advantages of being Christian led him to become a "pretend Christian."

You're wondering because you don't live your Life by Faith. Christians believe that Jesus is Love and there is no mystery to that.

I grew up in the Church. My mother is an Ordained minister. When I became a Man I chose to remain a Christian and keep the Faith...Every day I wake up I step out on "Faith" and I turn it over to the Lord...President Obama made the same decison for his life when he became a Man, found a Wife, Found his Faith, and when he asked God to guide him with his decision to run for Office...

If you never-ever believe in God, step foot in a Church or accept any religion as your Faith; God will still Love you but he won't hear your silent Prayers if you know what "praying" is...

 

[BostonPirate]

Just to be clear. I am not Republican or a supporter of Republican or conservative agendas.
I'm just offering the observation that it's extremely unusual for someone who is an atheist to convert to Christianity, particularly for someone with the intellect, kinds of family experiences, and formal education such as Obama has had. But given the nature of politics, particularly for African Americans in Chicago during the 1980s, it would make a lot of sense to "convert" to Christianity for social reasons rather than as a true matter of faith.

(And, hey, this wouldn't be the first time in history that someone had "converted" to another religion solely for social/political reasons. For some particularly gruesome examples, you need only consider Conversos in Spain/Portugal, Hindus during the colonization of Goa by the Portuguese, and colonization of the Americas by Europeans, as well as westward expansion to the Pacific by their American descendants).

It also wouldn't be the only time that Obama allowed political expediency to weigh heavily in his decision on how to approach an important moral issue.

And in case you still think I am just hating on Obama, fact is that I have no doubt that a large percentage of so-called devout Christians in politics in Washington, and in state and local government throughout the US, are pretend Christians.

he has attended sunday services for over twenty years.... HAVE YOU????

 

[MisterMajestic]

The path someone who is an atheist must take in converting to Christianity is radically different from the path someone who is a Christian from earliest life takes when the latter decides to maintain his faith in Christianity as an adult.

You did not need to give the example about Atheists converting unless you're suggesting President Obama was once an atheist..President obama did not convert from Atheism to Christianity..He has believed in God since he was a child...We're talking about YOU calling a sitting President a "Pretend Christian" without an ounce of proof... So Quote where Obama said he was ever an Atheist. I have not read President Obama's books. If you've read his books then please quote what you've read...

Converting from one religion to another is probably easier for a child since the entire family is a part of the process. We know that President Obama attended Muslim & Christian schools as a child. As an Adult Barack Obama joined a church & became a Christian for whatever reason and his Walk with the Lord is his & his alone.

You and others can Call President Obama a "Pre-tend Christian" until you're Blue in the Face. Fact is fact. None of us have a clue what was going on in then citizen Barack's heart when he accepted Jesus Christ as his personal saviour...

I find it comical that the People yelling the Loudest and calling the President an "under-cover" Muslim or a "Pretend Christian" have not stepped foot into anybodys church or some spiritual Sanctuary in years..

Racists & Hypocrites continue to be exposed left and right...

 

[BostonPirate]

Not sure how that is even remotely relevant.

Besides,

wikiquote

so he is an athiest because it doesn' t matter how much he goes to church, he is a bad christian for going though, and hes also a muslim.

Did we cover everything?

Is there anyother way you can think of to make up a story on how the presidents religion matters?

 

[BostonPirate]

You and others can Call President Obama a "Pre-tend Christian" until you're Blue in the Face. Fact is fact. None of us have a clue what was going on in then citizen Barack's heart when he accepted Jesus Christ as his personal saviour...

I find it comical that the People yelling the Loudest and calling the President an "under-cover" Muslim or a "Pretend Christian" have not stepped foot into anybodys church or some spiritual Sanctuary in years...

Quoted For TRUTH!

 

[BostonPirate]

Here's an interesting video explaining the "pretend-Christianity" of Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITsYUjv_aEA

Maybe I went too far in calling him a non-believer, but I'm inclined to count him among the people who believe in a higher being but find no salience in organized religion.

Obama is a man of science, BUT he was raised by his grandparents when his mother was away, right?

so he must have had a more christian backround then he lets on about. I have found that the real christians, the ones that actually use christ as a model for behavior, tend to not brag and use their religion for political gain.

It's the fake ones that say they are christian and then talk about blowing up clinics that are the fake christians.

 

[BostonPirate]

So quote where he ever said that he was never an atheist.

are you really asking someone to prove that something doesn't exist?

You now want him to SAY he was NEVER an athiest to prove that he IS a christian.

now that is really odd. It is Pixie logic.

 

[BostonPirate]

You need to re-read MisterMajestic's full post #22 for the context of my post.

I read the whole thing. I am pointing out where your logic failed completely.

ok lets play a game....

Prove to me that you never killed anyone. I am assuming you didn't and so you can't prove that you didn't. You can get your police record, but then that would only cover what you got caught at doing, not what you didn't do.

So prove to me that you DIDN'T kill someone.

its imposible.

That doesn't make you a killer.

 

[BostonPirate]

Thanks, but I am already familiar with the negative proof fallacy.
You are taking that post way too seriously.
I was merely ribbing MisterMajestic, who committed the same kind of error (and I notice you haven't made any comment about that).

well

Not in this incarnation...HA

 

[jdoe4822]

I think Unclean and Hitchen's make a good point - his conversion was awfully convenient and he definitely does not come from a background that suggests that he ever was, or would be susceptible being converted to Christianity. Can we prove it one way or another? Of course not. But we are free to suspect. I know I saw plenty of fake Christians in the church...as I like to say 99% of them give the other 1% a bad name. I might actually gain a little respect for him if he really was our first truly atheist president.