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Abolish the federal minimum wage

Should we abolish the federal minimum wage?

  • Yes, but maintain state minimum wages

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Yes, AND abolish state minimum wages too

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • No

    Votes: 30 83.3%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .
Kulindahr said:
Actually, I'd freeze it until the debt is paid off.
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Yes, here too. Abolish is so final sounding.

As someone who is between a Federalist and Confederalist when it comes to country government and constituent governments, I support to keep the wages in states.
 
what a stupid idea. bring it up to a livable wage. YES.
Can you imagine SC or Miss without a federal minimum wage?
They already have a shit load of loop holes how not to pay it
 
Aren't most state minimum wages higher than the federal minimum anyway? It seems like abolishing one without the other wouldn't make too much of a difference.

The state minimum wage makes sense, though, as the cost of living is different in each state. Unfortunately, cost of living and minimum wage is always fighting. If you raise the minimum wage, you indirectly raise the cost of living. But lowering it doesn't really have the opposite effect (gas prices rise quickly, but drop slowly).

You can't really get rid of the minimum wage altogether without some harsh backlash. You need to lower the cost of living first (you'll fight the companies for this one), then you lower the minimum wage (you'll fight the workers for this one). I doubt either will be popular.
 
This year, gas prices are going to go up to $4.00 a gallon. Analysts have predicted this will cost the average American $750 more a year for fuel costs.

Many states are maintaining their rate to the federal minimum wage. In other words, a majority of American minimum wage workers (which represents millions of Americans) will actually make -$750 less this year just on gasoline alone. This is an independent figure based on global supply and demand. The federal minimum wage has no significant effect on the price of gas.

I'd say this discussion is over.
 
Here's my question though; if a state's cost of living is less than another state, but employees are still paid the same minimum wage, is it necessary for those wage levels to be the same? If the minimum wage goes further in that one state, should it be the same, or should the state set its own? By the same token, shouldn't states like california, where the cost of living is substantially higher than most, have a much higher minimum wage?
 
Toriko said:
Um, no. It's not. What one makes per hour is a very myopic viewpoint to justify the federal minimum wage on the basis of the increase in the price of a commodity, regardless of the increase being independent of wage. It doesn't answer the problem that the $750 increase in gas costs would require over 103 additional minimum wage hours per minimum wage worker to afford it. From where are these hours to be culled considering the unemployment rate?

Plus, a couple of posters have made propositions that have remained unfortunately mysterious. And quite a few people haven't chimed in.
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That's the point. They aren't culled. Essentially, every minimum wage worker takes a massive hit from their wages that they cannot possibly recuperate. The standard of living drops, and more people end up suffering. Even Washington state (where I live), which has the highest state minimum wage rate in the country, does not offset this year's rises in energy costs.

It is an all too common myth that the wage worker depresses the economy and costs thousands of jobs for getting a 16 cent raise. Sure, you can hire two workers for half the minimum wage amount; however, tell me how that person is going to survive. People gripe and complain about how the poor sap social services and cost the taxpayer millions. If you pay a person their worth and a livable wage, they will be less likely to be dependent on food stamps and welfare.
 
I don't think there's a constitutional basis for minimum wage guidelines to be within the purview of the Federal Government.

It ought to be a state by state issue.

It might cost half as much to live in one state compared to another, why should the wages be the same?
 
LOL. Good luck with that one. When Dems took the congress in '06, the first (and really only) thing Bush compromised on was allowing an increase in the federal minimum wage, which Dems and advocates for low-earning households had been pushing for some time. This is the guy who said he would veto even a bill strengthening penalties for hate crimes against gays, which was considered the easiest of all civil rights measures to pass and was the first gay rights bill to pass when Dems had all branches of government. So, yeah, no. Even tea partiers aren't likely to put this gem too high up on their platform - not if they expect to get reelected anyway.
 
How about instigating a federal maximum wage so that the crooked Wall Street bankers and hedge fund managers that caused and profitted from the current recession are called to account.

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Stupid idea.

The minimum wage is what makes for a functional economy.
 
Dumb idea. The last thing we need to make income disparity in this country even greater than it already is.
 
Curious thing to note. It seems that a handful of states have created laws that allows them to pay less than minimum wage under certain conditions. Businesses that make less than $500,000 a year in Minnesota can pay $5.25 an hour. A lot of states have laws that pay $2.60 an hour if the employees are allowed tips (sounds like it could be a crappy deal for the employee if you're working at the wrong place).
 
Kulindahr said:
Think of it as an incentive to fix the damned debt.

If I had my way, that would mean the minimum wage would be frozen about three years.
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That still doesn't make any sense. Why not cap everyone to no more than $50,000 per year until the debt is paid off? Why not raise taxes to a flat 40% until the debt is paid off? Why not cut federal spending 95% on everything including Social Security and Defense until the debt is paid off?

Why would any wage scale affect the debt or not? Other than "incentive"??? If that's the "incentive" most Americans would say, "meh, fuck it! Who cares, keep the deficit spending/benefits flowing".
 
MoltenRock III said:
That still doesn't make any sense. Why not cap everyone to no more than $50,000 per year until the debt is paid off? Why not raise taxes to a flat 40% until the debt is paid off? Why not cut federal spending 95% on everything including Social Security and Defense until the debt is paid off?

Why would any wage scale affect the debt or not? Other than "incentive"??? If that's the "incentive" most Americans would say, "meh, fuck it! Who cares, keep the deficit spending/benefits flowing".
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You think all the Americans on minimum wage would be happy to let the debt rise if the wage was pinned to the debt?
You think the Democrats in Congress wouldn't take the debt more seriously if to raise the minimum wage again they had to kill the debt?

This isn't a discussion about the other items you mentioned, but I'll make a comment: except for the 95% item, your suggestions above are puny compared to what I've suggested elsewhere. As I said, if I had my way, and if the minimum wage was frozen till the debt was paid, the minimum wage could rise again in three years.
 
I dont really know the difference between state and federal and really your state/federal laws distinctions in the states confuse the shit out of me.

But typically it isnt the minimum wage that is causing the problem with the debt lol.. And even if it does contribute to the debt why punish the poor further? If you do it usually results in more problems which state institutions need to fix anyways lol..

I would rather more heavily tax the rich. trust me they can handle it..

Also didnt Britain implement a maximum salary of something like 350k pounds?

Seems pretty reasonable to me. you can live pretty nice on 350k pounds lol
 
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