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Abortion

Depends on when it is performed.

On a full grown viable baby, yes I would consider it murder.

On a mass of cells that doesn't even resemble a person, no.
 
NightOwlGate said:
Thoughts?

I believe it is murder, period.
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At what point is it murder? There is absolutely zero brain activity until 20 weeks, when some nerves begin to develop, and then some form of brain activity doesn't begin until 24 weeks.

While I don't believe abortion should be used as a form of birth control, there are very few instances where I think abortion is OK. When the fetus is a danger to itself or the mother, then I believe that choice should be made by the parents to continue with the pregnancy or to terminate. Also, in the case of rape, I believe a woman should have that right to abort (if she hadn't already taken the 'morning after' pill).

Now, if you are stupid enough to get pregnant because you weren't careful, then no, I don't believe abortion is the answer, but I would never let my personal feelings get in the way of a woman's right to choose.

Do you believe in capital punishment? Just wonderin'...
 
Obviously, a fertilized egg is not a human being.
 
I am against abortion. It is murder.

But I'm not for making it illegal.

I'm not going to tell people what to do with their bodies.

Plus I am for stem cell research.
 
I'm not a huge fan of it but it should NOT be illegal. Abortions will be performed whether it's legal or not, except when it's legal it'll be FAR more dangerous and won't be performed by healthcare professionals.

People who are against the legalization of it get on my nerves.

So... these babies that you INSIST be born, who's going to care of them? The parents? Not always, we don't live in a cartoon Cleavers world.

Oh.. mind if we dip into your pockets a little bit for welfare programs to care for these kids you insisted be born? What's that? No? Hypocrisy much?
 
I think that women should have the right to choose. If you think it is murder, then don't do it. If you don't and it is a viable option for you, then I think you should have that freedom. I, however, think that it should be regulated. I don't think that abortion should be another form of contraceptive. I think it should be used in emergency situations, much like the Plan B pill, only more extreme of course. And a woman should, if wanting to get a second or third abortion should have to show clear evidence that she is NOT just using it (and taxpayer money, of course) as her contraceptive.

I think that making abortion illegal is a really dangerous idea, because in the end it will lead to a lot more death and pain then if abortion was just legal. For example, most all children being aborted are unwanted (obviously). Forcing women to have kids, and thus putting them in an unwanted environment can have severe emotional and psychological damage to the child, and it is speculated that a good percentage of them won't to see the age of 18 (from either suicide, neglect, abuse, or just being left in a dumpster).
Now, I hear the argument for adoption very often. Here are my thoughts on that. First of all, there are already so many children in care homes around the world waiting to be adopted. Putting more children into that system is socially irresponsible. Furthermore, both of my parents were adopted, and my grandparents ran a foster care home for most of my life. I have personally seen the in's and out's of the adoption system, and I know first hand (not just from statistics, but from my own two eyes) that a high number of these people will run away and live on the street, or commit suicide before adulthood.
Now, concerning the life of the mother, in some cases (not a huge percentage, but some) the mother's life is in danger of having children. Making abortion illegal would result in the death of many women, which could be avoided with abortion. And finally, whether abortions are illegal or not, they will continue to go on. However, if abortions are legal they will go on in a safe environment, where the mothers life is preserved. If they become illegal, they will occur as "back alley" abortions that often lead to both the death of the fetus, as well as the severe injury (if not death) of the mother.

As you can see, making abortions illegal cause a great deal more death than just simply legalizing abortions. We can all agree that they are a very unfortunate and sad tragedy, just as the death of any living thing is. However, it is a necessary evil, and a right that women should maintain.
 
I am pro-choice. The government should not be policing someone elses body.

I do think when it is a late term abortion, there should be some serious reasons why that fetus should be aborted.
 
If the baby is actually formed and alive and alive I mean a beating heart and functioning brain, then aborting it is murder, but no, I don't think it is murder in the very first stage of the pregnancy. Mainly at the beginning of the first trimester.

However, you are stopping a life from forming.
 
It's a simple question for me. What is a human being? If it's not a human being, do whatever you want to it, doesn't matter, it's not human If it is, it is entitled to the full rights of all other humans.

So simple answer is human life begins when sperm and egg join, and therefore to kill it is murder and should be prosecuted as such. Exceptions will be granted whenever the law allows you to take another's life.
 
jdoe4822 said:
So simple answer is human life begins when sperm and egg join, and therefore to kill it is murder and should be prosecuted as such. Exceptions will be granted whenever the law allows you to take another's life.
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I'm sorry but that's ridiculous.

So if someone uses say the morning after pill, that's murder? :rolleyes:

A fertilized cell is no more a human being than a skin cell or a blood cell.
 
If your using abortion as a form of birth control and just out of convenience I think that is disgusting and dead wrong! But who are we to judge that? Most women who have abortions struggle with this! They are not murderers they may not be able to take care of the child,they may have been raped,or the child could be from incest.... But people say that thats not the child's fault! NEWS FLASH that child may grow up without a family and hating him/herself and being depressed... Also you cant tell a woman what she can and cannot do to her uterus!
 
hotatlboi said:
I'm sorry but that's ridiculous.

So if someone uses say the morning after pill, that's murder? :rolleyes:

A fertilized cell is no more a human being than a skin cell or a blood cell.
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A skin or a blood cell is a part of your body. It has your DNA. A fertilized egg is an indepent and separate life. And yes I believe the morning after pill is murder.
 
AdmiralAlfie said:
My thoughts?

If you don't approve of abortion, don't get knocked up, m'kay? And if you DO get knocked up and don't approve of abortion, don't have one. Seems pretty simple. :rolleyes:
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree. ..|

However, unlike others, I can at least see both sides of this issue.

But I fully support the legalization of abortion, until God himself/herself intervenes. :-)
 
jdoe4822 said:
A skin or a blood cell is a part of your body. It has your DNA. A fertilized egg is an indepent and separate life. And yes I believe the morning after pill is murder.
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a fertilized egg isn't independent imo, it couldn't survive outside the womb. at all.

and the morning after pill doesn't kill a fertilized egg, it intervenes before conception occurs.
 
sabot3ur said:
a fertilized egg isn't independent imo, it couldn't survive outside the womb. at all.

and the morning after pill doesn't kill a fertilized egg, it intervenes before conception occurs.
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doesnt matter if it couldnt survive on its own. it doesnt have the mothers DNA therefore it is not a part of her body and is a separate life. so when you say surviving on its own, are you using viability as your begining of life?

as far as morning after pill goes, my understanding is that it prevents a fertilized egg from implanting in the wall of the uterus and therefore kills the embryo. if so, then I say its murder.
 
ICO7 said:
That post is all-around retarded. A non-human living creature can have anything done to it because it doesn't matter, but a joined human sperm and human egg then OMFG!
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I was exaggerrating...obviously we do grant non human life forms some protection (animal crueltly laws and such). my point is that the question of whether or not an embryo (or zygote, or fetus, etc) should be able to be killed is a simple one. If you do not consider it a human being, than ultimately, yes it generally can be killed if we want it dead*. However, if it is a human being, than it is entitled to the full right to life given any other human.

*whether that is moral is a different debate, I'm only idenfitying what I see as the generally accepted view that non human life, while it should be preserved and protected, does not enjoy an ultimate right to life if its destruction is perceived to be in our best interest
 
I wonder how many pro-lifers make weekly trips to the local restaurant where they can consume the meat of animals that weren't granted any sort of dignity or life. :roll:
 
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