About the wrestlers that worked as fratmen models

[jaxon29]

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I see via news reports that Nash is transferring and wants to become the first person to win NCAA championships from two colleges. I guess I don't understand the rules. If he violated NCAA rules, how can he transfer and still be on a NCAA team, just at a different college. Life is sure funny.

It's also come out that these two had previousely been in trouble for violating the same rule. Some people apparently think they're above the rules and don't seem to learn from mistakes. No sympathy from me for either of them.

 

[PhunkSpunk]

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If he violated NCAA rules, how can he transfer and still be on a NCAA team, just at a different college. Life is sure funny.

It's also come out that these two had previousely been in trouble for violating the same rule. Some people apparently think they're above the rules and don't seem to learn from mistakes. No sympathy from me for either of them.

The action taken against these guys was based entirely on the UNL's interpretation of the rule regarding selling of image, the intent of which is to prevent student athletes from modeling for ads and engaging in sports gear promo. No official ruling NCAA ruling was made with regard to this alleged infraction, and I suspect none will be as the rule itself may be in violation of the First Amendment. The NCAA would like to keep it on the books for reasons that have more to do with Nike and Under Armour than with Fratmen, and they don't want to open the door to its being struck down by the courts. Phil Knight filing an amicus brief in support the abrogated rights of Fratmen models . . . MAJOR lol!

You are wrong about a previous violation of the rule regarding modeling/selling their image. 'Nash' had been cited by the Lincoln police for 'keeping a disorderly house' (read 'college party') and 'Cal' for underage drinking. Horrors! Sounds like a typical Saturday night on Fraternity Row, however the UNL athletic department is trying to spin it like these incidents established a precedent for anti-social behavior: the guys had a wild party, drank alcohol, and then . . . masturbated for a porn site! Sounds like defamation to me.

I hear that the guys are considering a suit. I hope they pursue it.

Nah, these guys were totally railroaded!

 

[jaxon29]

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Okay, I understand about the 'image thing' as related to Nike or sports gear, etc. Sounds like they are trying to stretch the rules to include other situations now such as FM.

However, I have seen an AP report that according to the Athletic Director, the two guys were previousely declared ineligible for violating that rule and it had to be appealed. They were reinstated but suspended for one match.

 

[PhunkSpunk]

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This whole brouhaha has made me take a look at my own appreciation of porn, and possible complicity in the exploitation of naive models.

I don't think the Fratmen guys intentionally mislead these guys; however I don't think they had a realistic appreciation of just how much these guys had at stake. In terms of homoerotic cachet, Division I wrestlers are the Ace of Hearts, and this may have blinded the webmasters to the fact that these guys had scholarships on the line, and came from a culture that is homophobic by definition.

There are plenty of guys out there who look like Big 12 wrestlers, who would have been eager to model and not had anywhere near at much at risk. Dawson? Lucas? Need I say more?

'Nash' apparently has signed a letter of intent with another school. The program has a very good reputation, but coming from the Big 12 -- the creme de la creme of collegiate wrestling -- it's bound to be a let-down. I hope he shows 'em all and wins another National Title.

Wrestling is these guys' life. 'Nash' was named 'Mr. Wrestling' of his home state his senior year of high school, and 'Cal' received a similar honor in his. At UNL they'd found a niche near the top of the hill. Real wrestlers don't get rich, however with their Big 12 collegiate credentials, the sport would have taken care of them. They'd work their way up the coaching ladder and maybe in a couple of decades be a head coach somewhere. Maybe not for a Div. 1 program, but nonetheless it would be a decent life still working in the sport they love. However with this black stain on their record that's pretty unlikely now.

 

[PhunkSpunk]

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However, I have seen an AP report that according to the Athletic Director, the two guys were previousely declared ineligible for violating that rule and it had to be appealed. They were reinstated but suspended for one match.

Here's the press release:

NU wrestling Coach (MM) said in an Athletic Department statement that this incident was not the only factor determining the duo's dismissal.

"The history of behavior of these men, including the current matter, does not reflect the standard of excellence we aspire to on and off the mat," M. said.

Both men have a track record with the law , according to The Associated Press. ('Nash') has paid fines for maintaining a disorderly home and having an open alcohol container and ('Cal') for a minor in possession of alcohol, trespassing and assault.

If you look at the UNL web site, in the few remaining pictures (most have been removed) it is fairly obvious that 'Nash' and his coach enjoyed a pretty close relationship: 'Nash' appears to have been his coach's protégé. At matches they are frequently tête-à-tête. This observation is borne out by Nash's wrestling clinic video on YouTube: his passion for the sport is so apparent -- he's a natural coach! Perhaps a sense of betrayal accounts for why the coach came down so harshly on the guys -- instead of giving them the slap on the wrist and maybe some volunteer work this 'offense' warranted.

 

[jaxon29]

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There's a link to another AP article over on QueerClick which is what I was referring to. They have all those updates in with all the team pix and it's the 8/22 update.

 

[BlueLantern]

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Just curious, who here thinks this a non-issue that shouldn't matter? (as in they should be allowed to do porn)

 

[SonOfSlobone]

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Just curious, who here thinks this a non-issue that shouldn't matter? (as in they should be allowed to do porn)

Of course, but are they willing to face the consequences? The problem comes when you think you can do it anonymously, which isn't possible on the Internet unless maybe you put a bag over your head (and cover up the Nebraska tattoo).

It's like that guy on the last Big Brother show, who did all the gay porn. And he went a LOT further than these guys did. Although come to think of it nobody seems to have cared very much, maybe because he's so ugly...

 

[SonOfSlobone]

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tangent/

Yeah, can you believe that? I thought these were big strapping hunky guys. They're TINY! I'm about their weight combined, and I'm not fat. My leg is about as big as either of these two

Well, one of them's in the 125 lb. class, don't know about the other guy. But wrestling is one sport where extra weight doesn't help, because they only put you in a tougher weight class.

 

[BlueLantern]

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Of course, but are they willing to face the consequences? The problem comes when you think you can do it anonymously, which isn't possible on the Internet unless maybe you put a bag over your head (and cover up the Nebraska tattoo).

It's like that guy on the last Big Brother show, who did all the gay porn. And he went a LOT further than these guys did. Although come to think of it nobody seems to have cared very much, maybe because he's so ugly...

Are youy talking about Tommy Hansen? You can't be, because Tommy Hansen is gorgeous!

 

[SonOfSlobone]

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Are youy talking about Tommy Hansen? You can't be, because Tommy Hansen is gorgeous!

No -- I think his name was James. It was in the last series.

Here's the link, I won't post the pix here because that would be Off Topic. He's the one with the dick in his mouth.

http://www.dudetubeonline.com/2008/02/20/james0220.jpg

 

[PhunkSpunk]

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Just curious, who here thinks this a non-issue that shouldn't matter? (as in they should be allowed to do porn)

While I think it shouldn't matter, I think it's unrealistic of anyone to think that it wouldn't.

These guys did nothing to compromise their heterosexual identity. However wrestling is the ultimate 'contact sport', and I could see where a straight guy would be a tad uncomfortable hitting the mat with a guy who'd done hard core gay scenes, like 'Dawson' or 'Lucas'.

 

[Homoerectus]

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JUB has been straight forward in stating it is trying to protect its association with Fratmen. This is their site and we must abide by their wishes, their rules and censor whatever they wish.

 

[chillyboi]

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Danm is he hot!!!!!
though yahoo has removed nothing, glad i got to see him b4 its too late

 

[studybuddy]

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However, I think any school should be allowed to set standards of behavior for its students as long as the rules are applied equally and the students are fully aware of the rules prior to attending.

I don't think that state schools should be allowed to set any standards they want. If the University of Nebraska had a rule that said students can't attend a Catholic mass, and it applied equally to every student, it would still be unfair discrimination.

Generally, I think we need to enact broad "lifestyle discrimination" protections in this country, lest quasi-governmental institutions like schools and employers grant themselves the right to control minute aspects of our personal lives. Morally and ethically, punishing a student for appearing in gay porn is no different from punishing a student whose wife appeared in porn, or a student who puts a bumper sticker for a bizarre candidate on their car. "Bringing shame or embarrassment upon the university/workplace/condominium/etc." is an entirely arbitrary standard, even though it was mentioned by several officials at UNL in their statements.

 

[studybuddy]

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Recent examples of where "lifestyle discrimination" occurs:
-a police officer fired after being photographed wearing earrings on his own time.
-a woman fired from her office job because she had a John Kerry bumper sticker on her car.
-employers refusing to hire people who smoke cigarettes at home.
-the Snyder, OK, police chief who was railroaded out of office because his wife posed nude.

Realize, of course, that I'm not saying it's wrong for a police force to set a dress code, or for a university to set a code of conduct for its students. But these should only apply while you're "on the clock." It's not the place of an employer to tell you how to dress every second of the day, or for a school to tell you that you cant' engage in legal behavior on your spring break.

 

[studybuddy]

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Of course, but are they willing to face the consequences?

What "consequences" do you think they should be willing to face? The question was "should it matter?"--as in, should they be kicked out of their sport or school?

It's illogical to say "They should be allowed to do it if they're willing to face the consequences," if you're talking about some kind of official consequences. That's like saying, "Cancer patients should be allowed to use medical marijuana as long as they're willing to go to jail." Imposing punitive consequences isn't want "allowing" means.

 

[cm98059]

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Reading some of the posts in this thread, do some of you think that these guys, really deserved to have their personal lives become a national news story? If that is the case, anyone who has a personal ad on any of the many websites out there "deserves" to become a headline on CNN or NBC. Should we throw out the entire constitution? You have the right to pursue happiness as long as it fit's in with the beliefs of Fred Phelps?

Some of the comments made in this thread sound like some of you think that you can never learn from anything you have done in the past, and that a mistake made when you are 20 should follow you for the rest of your life. If we were to follow this logic, a 17 year old who rear ends the car in front of him or her, should never be allowed to drive again, because they might rear end another car. We cannot learn from our actions and change our behavior? Or are we a vindictive society that cannot allow someone to do something that may be outside our "conventional" thinking? Oh My God, you ate anchovies on your Pizza. You need to be fired from your law practice, because anchovies are awful, and that makes you an awful person.

Do some of you think that guy's are lied to about the work they are performing? I happen to know a guy who used to scout for talent. If he saw someone at a club or on the street, or where ever, he would ask them if they were interested in modeling. If they said yes, he would give them his card, and have them set up an appointment. But maybe to protect people from someone who may be less consciences, we should shut down the entire industry. The ability to express yourself is over-rated, from now on, everyone has to buy Silver Ford Taurus'. So, trade in that red Honda, you have to follow the crowd.

Some of these examples are irrational, but are they any more irrational than what just happened to these two guys? In the state I live in, college football is a multi-million dollar industry. honestly, I don't know what colleges in this state have wrestling teams. I wouldn't know a wrestler from the UW or WSU if they walked up to me on the street and put me in a full nelson. My first reaction to this thread could have been Nebraska has a University? I still don't know these two guys names and honestly, I could care less. Is posing naked, jacking off really such a threat to our society that they needed to be made an example of on the national news? Is getting paid for doing something that another person finds to be entertaining a capital offence? Should this story have really even been on the news when there are hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico or Wild fires burning in the Western United States? Are the actions of these two guys really any of our business? Would this be an issue or a news story in Canada or France? How about Brazil? Zimbabwe? Romania?

Lastly, why is this story an issue in the United States?

 

[wanderer]

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Lastly, why is this story an issue in the United States?

its because this country has nothing better to do then run people's names through the mud. and i bet there are probably a number of very conservative news outlets that are making a HUGE deal out of it cause they want to discrouage other similar guys from doing the same thing? like making an example of them.

its all so unnecessary. and i never see any national headlines about any college girls being caught doing anything, like on girls gone wild or whatever (the only difference i see is that the girls werent paid on that video) but im sure there are tons more girls that are getting paid, and lots of them could be sports players too.

this society has no problem with girl-girl action, but a severe phobia at even the slightest hint of male-male action, even if its just holding hands!

 

[BlueLantern]

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Is this story is over?