Active Duty Does It Again...Shocking!

[Críostóir]

Dink, he's Staff, not a Moderator. Not sure where the shells go on that one, but IIUC Staff can include people who do code-fixes on the site, and may not include Moderatorial powers.

 

[ACTIVE DUTY]

Re: Among Sharks

All of our affiliates make a % on each sale plus a % of any recurring memberships that they referred and that are rebilled. My point was more about what seemed to be ThunderCizzle's insistence to keep the pot stirred by throwing more gas on the fire.

JUB is an affiliate of every site they feature here. That's how they make their money. It would make sense to keep the fire going if they are making money from the thread or the underlying controversy.

 

[Lostlover]

I value those last 24hrs before the thread was locked. I learned a great deal about racism and what blacks face. I always thought they were exaggerating and now am chewing on some crow. In this thread, I used some of the training I received in a role I played as an expert witness in court cases to get information by making a person lose his cool. It worked in prying out some very telling admissions. I have no remorse for the baiting because it was deserved. Even if I go on double secret probation, it will have been worth it. Sometimes you just got to 'man up'. The blog admins of course are interested only in keeping order here. That doesn't matter to me when the issue at hand is this important.

This is why not many people respect gays in America. We as a community are morally bankrupt. I dare anyone to post about this on Facebook and see if the porn site has ANY backers. I doubt you will have one. But with queens on here, the cock (even Axl's miniature cock) reigns supreme.

I hope the backers of the wrong here are the one-eyed Willy's of the gay community.

We have to do better. We really do.

 

[Lostlover]

As a respected moderator here I'm surprised you've taken the time to throw more gas on a fire that has all but been put out by most of the people who at first had issue. It's opening my eyes more and more to what drives JUB behind the scenes. Every time someone goes to Active Duty as a result of any link on JUB (including this thread), joins the site, JUB gets 50% of that sale. Yet some of the members here want to say that it's all about money to me. I think that shoe may fit more than one foot.

LMAO. This is what Hellax was talking about when he said "manning up." You take it out on a moderator when your ass is in the wrong. Only in America can YOU do something wrong and then blame someone else for commenting on it.

 

[pat grimshaw]

… your ass is in the wrong…

…What's so WRONG with a little 'White Pride'….

…you know your wrong…|

…I hope the backers of the wrong here …

…what is wrong …

…white supremacist racism) is wrong…

… people do something to fix something wrong…

…AD is wrong…

Hmmm? I wonder if the word 'wrong' is the most appropriate noun or adjective etc. in the case of this foolish kid that none of us have met?

I wonder if the word 'wrong' could be replaced with sinful or sinfulness or sin?

 

[Críostóir]

Hmmm? I wonder if the word 'wrong' is the most appropriate noun or adjective etc. in the case of this foolish kid that none of us have met?

I wonder if the word 'wrong' could be replaced with sinful or sinfulness or sin?

If you're in church. Or in a country that has an established religion. Not appropriate terminology here.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^
This thread sounds like old-time, tub-thumping evangelicals baying for blood. They know they're right and the enemy is wrong! They are the true bearers of 'RIGHTEOUSNESS'. God is on their side; anyone else is a sinner going to eternal damnation!

 

[Críostóir]

And He shall purify the sons of Levi, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.

Not the uncut ones, obviously.

 

[ACTIVE DUTY]

LMAO. This is what Hellax was talking about when he said "manning up." You take it out on a moderator when your ass is in the wrong. Only in America can YOU do something wrong and then blame someone else for commenting on it.

Another case of someone not reading the thread. Just for the sake of it not getting lost in all of this new flame throwing I'll post again what I said earlier on:


Had you read the thread and saw the personal attacks against myself that was purely out of anger you might have spent equal amounts of time admonishing your fellow posters who partook in that action. I simply defended myself when needed with a taste of their own flame. Was it the right decision on my part? Certainly not. But most of us succumbed to the temptation, unfortunately.

I'm not here to hurt anyone or throw flames, but I will not stand by when others do so and let it go unanswered. However, I will no longer engage in the flame throwing and name calling because it's all really counter productive. I'm ashamed of myself for doing so.

Everyone here is welcome to their own opinion about Axl. His images have been banned from JUB and they don't have to look at him or his tattoos on this site and they certainly don't have to visit AD. With that said, a little moderation was certainly in order here. Some of my comments deserved removal as well and I'm glad they were removed along with the others.

Cowboy Bob, myself and a lot of others lost their tempers here and allowed it to get the best of us. It's regretful (at least to me) but it does happen when issues are of a sensitive nature. I'm more than willing to engage in an adult exchange, but I won't stand by and be belittled or demeaned just because someone feels it their right to do so. Belittle and demean the issue, not each other.

I have spoken to Axl about this issue for hours. I've let him read the old thread. He was concerned and after our talks he agreed that he would/should have the 14 88 tats covered. His explanations for the tats remained the same. What am I to do? Tell him he's a liar? No, I sat him down and talked to him about how it affects other people and he understands that and doesn't want to offend people. He also wishes he'd understood more about the tattoo choices he made at the time he got them, but they are there. He maintains that he has never been involved with a hate group or supported racist beliefs. Again, am I to call him a liar? His agreeing that he should remove the 14 88 tattoo shows that after understanding what it really means and its implications that it isn't something he wants on his body anymore.

As for his other tattoos--The Celtic Cross and the Vikings Prayer--the ADL web site warns us that many tattoos often have double meanings and that we should use care when evaluating what they mean to the individual that wears them. The ADL web site makes no mention of the Vikings Prayer and does not include it or Thors Hammer in its database. It plainly states the following:

"Users of this database should keep in mind, however, that few symbols ever represent just one idea or are used exclusively by one group. For example, the Confederate Flag is a symbol that is frequently used by white supremacists but which also has been used by people and groups that are not racist. To some it may signify pride in one's heritage but to others it suggests slavery or white supremacy. Similarly, other symbols in this database may be significant to groups or individuals who are not extreme or racist. The descriptions here point out significant multiple meanings but may not be able to relay every single possible meaning of a particular symbol. For this reason, all of the symbols depicted here must be evaluated in the context in which they are used."

Now, I'm not using that as an excuse for what his tattoos could represent. Only he knows the real meaning behind the tattoos and what they represent to him. Again, he has maintained that they were not intended to be racist, a measure of showing hate or meant to offend anyone.

Someone on this thread pointed out that some images of Axl from recent updates show the 14 88 tattoos being removed. This is true. We had shot those scenes before I knew anything about the possible double meanings and before Axl and I discussed this and he agreed to have the 14 88 removed. It was a measure that we both decided to take.

We have all offended one another here and on the other thread. Everyone is welcome to their opinion and will ultimately feel the way they wish to feel about it. I respect that, Axl respects that and he feels strongly enough to remove the 14 88 tattoo.

I certainly don't expect that his choice to do so should appease or change anyone's mind. But, I do feel it's a step in the right direction. As for me, you have every reason to take fault with me for some of the things I've said while the flames were being thrown here and I don't expect you to change your mind about me based on this post. You have every right to decide for yourself whether my responses were how I really feel or just knee-jerk reactions to the insults I received while the flames were being thrown.

Either way, I'm not asking for your forgiveness. I am offering my forgiveness for tempers being flared, names being called and people losing control and my apologies for the role I played in that.

Take care of yourselves and each other.

 

[Hellax24]

I started this thread to continue the discussion. I see people are happy with the steps Dink has said he has made and that he had a sit down with Axl and he assured everyone everyone he's not a racist. Again, i will point out that in the previous thread that Dink made a long post about how he himself is not racist and regrets he has offended anyone or caused anyone to be hurt by his actions.

Then turns around and releases another video with the model and the tattoo's most on this thread and the other previous thread have researched for ourselves, that states at least 4 of the tattoo's Axl has is associated with white supremacy. So the model claims he did not know and just let people ink him with whatever. At this point i don't know if it is true of it isn't. I doubt any of us will ever know the truth. However, the one thing that still remains true is that Dink, released another video with the offensive tattoo's on full display and has made sure that everyone knows he has plenty more that he intends to release.

That is not regret. That is not understanding why people are upset and are so offended by what he is doing. Also, as pointed out , he is still making posts blaming others. He makes posts about how any model or anyone else that is involved with AD doesn't have a problem working with Axl. He's a great kid and we the offended are a bunch of whiners. That point that is being overlooked is that this kid is just the latest in a long line of being the new model. However, Dink is the one making the decisions and speaking for all of them and has no intention of pulling the offensive videos from his site or releasing any more.


CXXX

 

[ACTIVE DUTY]

For those who continue to refuse to READ, once more:


Everyone here is welcome to their own opinion about Axl. His images have been banned from JUB and they don't have to look at him or his tattoos on this site and they certainly don't have to visit AD. With that said, a little moderation was certainly in order here. Some of my comments deserved removal as well and I'm glad they were removed along with the others.

Cowboy Bob, myself and a lot of others lost their tempers here and allowed it to get the best of us. It's regretful (at least to me) but it does happen when issues are of a sensitive nature. I'm more than willing to engage in an adult exchange, but I won't stand by and be belittled or demeaned just because someone feels it their right to do so. Belittle and demean the issue, not each other.

I have spoken to Axl about this issue for hours. I've let him read the old thread. He was concerned and after our talks he agreed that he would/should have the 14 88 tats covered. His explanations for the tats remained the same. What am I to do? Tell him he's a liar? No, I sat him down and talked to him about how it affects other people and he understands that and doesn't want to offend people. He also wishes he'd understood more about the tattoo choices he made at the time he got them, but they are there. He maintains that he has never been involved with a hate group or supported racist beliefs. Again, am I to call him a liar? His agreeing that he should remove the 14 88 tattoo shows that after understanding what it really means and its implications that it isn't something he wants on his body anymore.

As for his other tattoos--The Celtic Cross and the Vikings Prayer--the ADL web site warns us that many tattoos often have double meanings and that we should use care when evaluating what they mean to the individual that wears them. The ADL web site makes no mention of the Vikings Prayer and does not include it or Thors Hammer in its database. It plainly states the following:

"Users of this database should keep in mind, however, that few symbols ever represent just one idea or are used exclusively by one group. For example, the Confederate Flag is a symbol that is frequently used by white supremacists but which also has been used by people and groups that are not racist. To some it may signify pride in one's heritage but to others it suggests slavery or white supremacy. Similarly, other symbols in this database may be significant to groups or individuals who are not extreme or racist. The descriptions here point out significant multiple meanings but may not be able to relay every single possible meaning of a particular symbol. For this reason, all of the symbols depicted here must be evaluated in the context in which they are used."

Now, I'm not using that as an excuse for what his tattoos could represent. Only he knows the real meaning behind the tattoos and what they represent to him. Again, he has maintained that they were not intended to be racist, a measure of showing hate or meant to offend anyone.

Someone on this thread pointed out that some images of Axl from recent updates show the 14 88 tattoos being removed. This is true. We had shot those scenes before I knew anything about the possible double meanings and before Axl and I discussed this and he agreed to have the 14 88 removed. It was a measure that we both decided to take.

We have all offended one another here and on the other thread. Everyone is welcome to their opinion and will ultimately feel the way they wish to feel about it. I respect that, Axl respects that and he feels strongly enough to remove the 14 88 tattoo.

I certainly don't expect that his choice to do so should appease or change anyone's mind. But, I do feel it's a step in the right direction. As for me, you have every reason to take fault with me for some of the things I've said while the flames were being thrown here and I don't expect you to change your mind about me based on this post. You have every right to decide for yourself whether my responses were how I really feel or just knee-jerk reactions to the insults I received while the flames were being thrown.

Either way, I'm not asking for your forgiveness. I am offering my forgiveness for tempers being flared, names being called and people losing control and my apologies for the role I played in that.

Take care of yourselves and each other.

 

[ACTIVE DUTY]

And this:


No, actually the tattoos were covered up by a tattoo artist with black ink. They aren't just digitally removed or covered with make-up.

The reason they were digitally removed in the photos was because I came to learn what 14/88 was related to and had the discussion about it with Axl. Unfortunately at that point we had already shot four scenes. So, I decided as a measure of respect to have them digitally removed in the images from those scenes. Unfortunately doing the same in video is a little more difficult and not possible in the video itself.

Axl and I do not live in the same city or the same state for that matter. That's why we shot four scenes on his first visit and were not able to take the steps to remedy this until his next visit which was two weeks ago.

As for the Dolly Flamingo videos you mention or the "tranny" videos. I made those quite awhile back and never did anything with them. I was using them to test using You Tube since I have never done so. I'm actually not a technical person at all. I don't edit my videos and have never even opened an editing program. I was experimenting with the Dolly videos to understand You Tube myself so I wouldn't have to rely on anyone else to do a posting.

Hope this helps clear some of those questions up.

 

[Ninja108]

The problem with this thread is that whatever valid points were made were lost the minute insults were thrown around. And sorry,resorting to insults to get a reaction,whether or not it confirms your beliefs or show the other person's true nature,makes you look no better.
Axl's images have been banned from JUB and the word about him has gotten out. All the new threads have done is simply create drama..and nothing more.

 

[Críostóir]

I'm glad we got our civility back, though the cost of the incivil parts of these threads is not retrievable.

I think the 14 and 88 are the only tats that have NO non-racist meaning, and Axl is having those blacked out. I'm very pleased with that outcome and I want to say that I respect him for making that choice. I still would have liked to hear from him directly, but that's just because I like to hear people speak for themselves.

I look forward to seeing pictures of him with the blacked-out numbers.

 

[Hellax24]

And this:


No, actually the tattoos were covered up by a tattoo artist with black ink. They aren't just digitally removed or covered with make-up.

The reason they were digitally removed in the photos was because I came to learn what 14/88 was related to and had the discussion about it with Axl. Unfortunately at that point we had already shot four scenes. So, I decided as a measure of respect to have them digitally removed in the images from those scenes. Unfortunately doing the same in video is a little more difficult and not possible in the video itself.

Axl and I do not live in the same city or the same state for that matter. That's why we shot four scenes on his first visit and were not able to take the steps to remedy this until his next visit which was two weeks ago.

As for the Dolly Flamingo videos you mention or the "tranny" videos. I made those quite awhile back and never did anything with them. I was using them to test using You Tube since I have never done so. I'm actually not a technical person at all. I don't edit my videos and have never even opened an editing program. I was experimenting with the Dolly videos to understand You Tube myself so I wouldn't have to rely on anyone else to do a posting.

Hope this helps clear some of those questions up.

Bottom Line is that you released a 3rd. video with Axl and those offensive tattoo's. You say you shot many, many more scenes and plan to release them. Now, you choose to be the first in this thread to flame it and people responded to you flaming. So, stop posting that you were attacked first when you weren't, now the previous thread may be a different story, but not this one.

You were aware of how those offensive tattoo's are viewed and the meanings behind them. In the previous thread people did searches themselves and the posters did research themselves and not just taken someone's word that they are racist. You attempting to once again, make it seem that people do not know what they are talking about and are in the wrong. Your attempts to continue to do that negates all your posts about regrets, and how bad you feel about flaming and releasing videos that promote racist attitudes and views.

This is not the first situation that has caused people to view you in a negative light. It has been spelled out in the previous thread. I am not going back there, because most of us know why we have a problem and distrust your words when your actions speak far louder then what you post. I think a person who regrets his previous actions would take steps to rectify those actions. Axl, decided to block out those numbers, great. What about the "NN"? What about you stop releasing videos with those tattoo's visible in them? Why not pull the other videos that you have already released? If this isn't about money and really about doing what's right then that will demonstrate that you mean what you say.

CXXX

 

[PhunkSpunk]

Please , close this insane thread.

What do you mean? It's the Soap Box Derby!

 

[Hellax24]

I'm glad we got our civility back, though the cost of the incivil parts of these threads is not retrievable.

I think the 14 and 88 are the only tats that have NO non-racist meaning, and Axl is having those blacked out. I'm very pleased with that outcome and I want to say that I respect him for making that choice. I still would have liked to hear from him directly, but that's just because I like to hear people speak for themselves.

I look forward to seeing pictures of him with the blacked-out numbers.

Hearing from him would have gone a long way. Because we have caught Dink not being completely honest before and sometimes people need to see the body language of the person speaking to gauge if it what they are saying is truthful or not. Though we will never really know the truth as to why Axl,got the tattoo's our how he was feeling at the time they were done. The focus is how AD/Dink continues to go about dealing with this situation is what myself and others still have a problem with based on Dink's actions up to now. I'm not sure you remember his post about how he has many,many more videos and he is going to keep releasing them. Now, it's completely different. He goes from one extreme to another.


CXXX

 

[Hellax24]

What do you mean? It's the Soap Box Derby!

Do you have anything to add to the discussion? If not then why do you keep posting in here?

CXXX

 

[ACTIVE DUTY]

Bottom Line is that you released a 3rd. video with Axl and those offensive tattoo's. You say you shot many, many more scenes and plan to release them. Now, you choose to be the first in this thread to flame it and people responded to you flaming. So, stop posting that you were attacked first when you weren't, now the previous thread may be a different story, but not this one.

You were aware of how those offensive tattoo's are viewed and the meanings behind them. In the previous thread people did searches themselves and the posters did research themselves and not just taken someone's word that they are racist. You attempting to once again, make it seem that people do not know what they are talking about and are in the wrong. Your attempts to continue to do that negates all your posts about regrets, and how bad you feel about flaming and releasing videos that promote racist attitudes and views.

This is not the first situation that has caused people to view you in a negative light. It has been spelled out in the previous thread. I am not going back there, because most of us know why we have a problem and distrust your words when your actions speak far louder then what you post. I think a person who regrets his previous actions would take steps to rectify those actions. Axl, decided to block out those numbers, great. What about the "NN"? What about you stop releasing videos with those tattoo's visible in them? Why not pull the other videos that you have already released? If this isn't about money and really about doing what's right then that will demonstrate that you mean what you say.

CXXX

How about you READ. Those videos were shot BEFORE I knew what the 14/88 tattoo meant. That's like a police officer giving someone a ticket for going through an intersection BEFORE the city posted a stop sign.

Once I knew what the 14/88 stood for I, and Axl, took the steps to rectify it. If you'd like to send me a check for the money I spent shooting content in good faith without knowing the meaning of the tats at the time I will be glad to take them down. Again, you keep on and on about this like you are making some grand point. The point was taken about the tattoos offending others and steps were taken to remedy the situation.

Had I shot the initial 4 videos without knowing about the 14/88 meaning your point would be valid. At this point you are asking me to accept a citation AFTER the stop sign was posted. You asking for retroactive retribution when I had no idea when the videos were shot is a bit overbearing. You don't visit Active Duty and you are not a member so why should it matter so much to you when the majority have already said here that the steps to remove the tattoos were enough to satisfy them?

 

[ACTIVE DUTY]

Do you have anything to add to the discussion? If not then why do you keep posting in here?

CXXX

Do you have anything to ADD to the discussion or are you going to keep on and on with the same stuff over and over?