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Active Duty's Axl tattoo controversy

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Some posters at JUB get a really big kick out of stirring up shit with their phony indignation machine. A bit too big.

If they're not throwing fits that someone is "homophobic" or "biphobic" or "racist" or "ageist" or some other thing, they're throwing fits that they're not gay enough or not straight enough or too old. Or have bad hair. Or silly tattoos. Or their dick curves to the right.

I remember when I worked for a studio that only did young college athletes jerking off and people said we were homophobic because we didn't have gay sex on the site. Or we were racist because we didn't' have enough Asians on the site... but when we released an Asian model, the same posters came in and railed at us because they didn't like the model's name and said his "pubes look stupid."

Some people live to make big screaming fits about anything. Without it they wither and die. I've been on the receiving end of it so many times I've lost count and it never makes a dent of difference to the studio. If anything, sales usually go up when the controversy starts. (I'll never forget when a few posters here at JUB were claiming that after a rather odd publicity stunt I was part of where we faked a break in a massacre on one of the sites I worked for, the members had all cancelled their memberships and we had gone under. Truth was that was that in the wake of all the publicity, membership had gone up.)

I tell people over and over again at Industry conventions and industry-only forums is that "you should pay attention to what people on JUB say, file it away and forget it." Few of the people making the most trouble have been members of any of the sites they rail against endlessly and wouldn't join even if you changed every aspect of your site to match their every desire.

I know plenty of people who have spiderweb tattoos and they haven't killed anyone. I also know people who have tear drop tattoos and they haven't killed anyone, either. I've been told that the deer antlers on my back represent "satan" and that they represent "Kernunos" and that they represent "a sexist, anti-woman pagan ideal that men are the hunters and women are useless." (it's actually for the stag patronus in the Harry Potter books).

I was told my two-headed pig symbolized my being a "Cum Pig." When in reality, it was a poster for a theme night at my favorite bar that I got tattooed on my leg as a publicity stunt.

I was also told it meant I was a lover of Bacon. I'm a Vegan.

I've been told I'm a Nazi because I have a Picasso Painting on my arm that "Glorifies the Nazis attacking Portugal." In fact, the painting itself was quite an anti-Nazi painting but I got it because to me it symbolized being a gay kid in a farming village.

Dak Ramsey has been refused work because of the BioHazard symbol tattooed on his belly. It's the symbol of HIV+ men who bareback and like to pass the virus on to chasers. Except BioHazard was also Dak's favorite metal band in high school and he's HIV-. I know this because (a) he told me and (b) I've seen his STD test results.

I once worked with a model who was covered in odd Christian tattoos that seemed to suggest he was an extreme Christian right-winger. He got them because he was brought up in that environment and wanted to symbolize "what I have been drowned in my whole life but it never sank in... it only stays on the surface."

Not all artwork has the same meaning to everyone. Clearly.

Throw all the tantrums you want... the only thing it will achieve is that studios will stop coming here, posting their content, answering questions and talking with fans. Sad, really, that when a producer comes to show up what he's up to and what he's done and give previews of what he's doing, a few busybody Bettys need to fire up that phony indignation machine.
 
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I wasn't going to add to this conversation anymore but after reading about this alleged phone call I had to comment. I don't believe a word of it. Please don't insult the intelligence of this community.

A so-called "innocent" teenager covering his body with AB tattoos and claiming not to know what they're about is laughable. Virtually every tattoo this youth has on his body has to do with hate groups and Aryan Brotherhood. Even "NN" has symbolism. The jail tattoos are an entirely different subject as he has a couple of those also.

Your defense of this teenager is understandable as you want to protect your investment and whatever income you will make now and in the future off him. However, you will never receive any income from me again.

What is on display here is the dark side of pornography. Please don't exploit a troubled teenager. The soldiers in handcuffs six years ago wasn't enough for you?

I'm ashamed I went along with it but I won't make that mistake again.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_a_spiderweb_tattoo_on_the_elbow_symbolize

http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp

http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers.asp
 
Re: Active Duty update thread

I wasn't going to add to this conversation anymore but after reading about this alleged phone call I had to comment. I don't believe a word of it. Please don't insult the intelligence of this community.

A so-called "innocent" teenager covering his body with AB tattoos and claiming not to know what they're about is laughable. Virtually every tattoo this youth has on his body has to do with hate groups and Aryan Brotherhood. Even "NN" has symbolism. The jail tattoos are an entirely different subject as he has a couple of those also.

Your defense of this teenager is understandable as you want to protect your investment and whatever income you will make now and in the future off him. However, you will never receive any income from me again.

What is on display here is the dark side of pornography. Please don't exploit a troubled teenager. The soldiers in handcuffs six years ago wasn't enough for you?

I'm ashamed I went along with it but I won't make that mistake again.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_a_spiderweb_tattoo_on_the_elbow_symbolize

http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp

http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers.asp

Look Cowboy Bob, you're a star now. And not just on the JUB threads anymore. You've branched out.

http://thesword.com/is-this-new-active-duty-model-a-white-supremacist.html
 
Re: Active Duty update thread

Some posters at JUB get a really big kick out of stirring up shit with their phony indignation machine. A bit too big.

If they're not throwing fits that someone is "homophobic" or "biphobic" or "racist" or "ageist" or some other thing, they're throwing fits that they're not gay enough or not straight enough or too old. Or have bad hair. Or silly tattoos. Or their dick curves to the right.

I remember when I worked for a studio that only did young college athletes jerking off and people said we were homophobic because we didn't have gay sex on the site. Or we were racist because we didn't' have enough Asians on the site... but when we released an Asian model, the same posters came in and railed at us because they didn't like the model's name and said his "pubes look stupid."

Some people live to make big screaming fits about anything. Without it they wither and die. I've been on the receiving end of it so many times I've lost count and it never makes a dent of difference to the studio. If anything, sales usually go up when the controversy starts. (I'll never forget when a few posters here at JUB were claiming that after a rather odd publicity stunt I was part of where we faked a break in a massacre on one of the sites I worked for, the members had all cancelled their memberships and we had gone under. Truth was that was that in the wake of all the publicity, membership had gone up.)

I tell people over and over again at Industry conventions and industry-only forums is that "you should pay attention to what people on JUB say, file it away and forget it." Few of the people making the most trouble have been members of any of the sites they rail against endlessly and wouldn't join even if you changed every aspect of your site to match their every desire.

I know plenty of people who have spiderweb tattoos and they haven't killed anyone. I also know people who have tear drop tattoos and they haven't killed anyone, either. I've been told that the deer antlers on my back represent "satan" and that they represent "Kernunos" and that they represent "a sexist, anti-woman pagan ideal that men are the hunters and women are useless." (it's actually for the stag patronus in the Harry Potter books).

I was told my two-headed pig symbolized my being a "Cum Pig." When in reality, it was a poster for a theme night at my favorite bar that I got tattooed on my leg as a publicity stunt.

I was also told it meant I was a lover of Bacon. I'm a Vegan.

I've been told I'm a Nazi because I have a Picasso Painting on my arm that "Glorifies the Nazis attacking Portugal." In fact, the painting itself was quite an anti-Nazi painting but I got it because to me it symbolized being a gay kid in a farming village.

Dak Ramsey has been refused work because of the BioHazard symbol tattooed on his belly. It's the symbol of HIV+ men who bareback and like to pass the virus on to chasers. Except BioHazard was also Dak's favorite metal band in high school and he's HIV-. I know this because (a) he told me and (b) I've seen his STD test results.

I once worked with a model who was covered in odd Christian tattoos that seemed to suggest he was an extreme Christian right-winger. He got them because he was brought up in that environment and wanted to symbolize "what I have been drowned in my whole life but it never sank in... it only stays on the surface."

Not all artwork has the same meaning to everyone. Clearly.

Throw all the tantrums you want... the only thing it will achieve is that studios will stop coming here, posting their content, answering questions and talking with fans. Sad, really, that when a producer comes to show up what he's up to and what he's done and give previews of what he's doing, a few busybody Bettys need to fire up that phony indignation machine.

Ah, the voice of reason.:rolleyes:

It's interesting that on another blog that a poster who has watched the video reported that when asked about the "NN" tat he replied "he couldn't say what IT stood for" Not WHO it stood for. Big Leap indeed to what Dink posted.

CXXX..|
 
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Look Cowboy Bob, you're a star now. And not just on the JUB threads anymore. You've branched out.

So now you've resorted to taunting? You're claiming that he brought this up to be popular on JUB? How deluded are you and how did I never realize this before? Your ability to deflect is truly amazing. If you (and Jasun for that matter) hold this board in such contempt why do you bother to argue so tenaciously?

And as for you Jasun, if you have so little regard for what get's posted here, then why are you always so desperate to get a "win" in every single encounter you have?

You guys can "pooh-pooh" this all you want (oh look at the silly little jubbers) but this is bigger (and much more offensive) than you give it credit for. I guess only in porn can you tell your consumer base to go fuck themselves and still expect to turn a profit. Nice work if you can get it.
 
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In regards to what happened several years ago...those troops knew damn well the risks they were taking in making the videos and choose to go ahead anyway.
I will also say this...some of the people outraged over this sure don't seem to have the same level of contempt for the homophic gay for pay actors throughout the industry.
 
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So now you've resorted to taunting? You're claiming that he brought this up to be popular on JUB? How deluded are you and how did I never realize this before? Your ability to deflect is truly amazing. If you (and Jasun for that matter) hold this board in such contempt why do you bother to argue so tenaciously?

And as for you Jasun, if you have so little regard for what get's posted here, then why are you always so desperate to get a "win" in every single encounter you have?

You guys can "pooh-pooh" this all you want (oh look at the silly little jubbers) but this is bigger (and much more offensive) than you give it credit for. I guess only in porn can you tell your consumer base to go fuck themselves and still expect to turn a profit. Nice work if you can get it.

If you or anyone else on this thread is a member of the site and wants a refund, email me. I'll gladly issue it. Thing is, I don't think most of the people who are going on and on about it are actually current members. If you are and you are disgusted by Axl email me and I will issue your refund.
 
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If you or anyone else on this thread is a member of the site and wants a refund, email me. I'll gladly issue it. Thing is, I don't think most of the people who are going on and on about it are actually current members. If you are and you are disgusted by Axl email me and I will issue your refund.

Wouldn't it just have been simpler to APOLOGIZE two pages ago?

"I didn't realize what those tattoos meant and I'm VERY SORRY that it caused offense." See how simple that would have been?

You've spent so much time excusing and deflecting and blaming the messenger that I"m more turned off by your attitude to the whole situation than I originally was to the stupid kid with the racist tattoos.

I WILL cancel my membership (you were wrong there) but I don't want you to do me any favors.

With that I will (finally) say good night to all of this.
 
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Wouldn't it just have been simpler to APOLOGIZE two pages ago?

"I didn't realize what those tattoos meant and I'm VERY SORRY that it caused offense." See how simple that would have been?

You've spent so much time excusing and deflecting and blaming the messenger that I"m more turned off by your attitude to the whole situation than I originally was to the stupid kid with the racist tattoos.

I WILL cancel my membership (you were wrong there) but I don't want you to do me any favors.

With that I will (finally) say good night to all of this.

Several people noticed the deflecting but that's not a big deal. My membership is soon to run out but I'll not renew it. What turned me off even more than the tatts is the attitude on display.

Good night. It's late here too.
 
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And as for you Jasun, if you have so little regard for what get's posted here, then why are you always so desperate to get a "win" in every single encounter you have?

you'll notice I stopped posting porn here about over a year ago.

Wasn't worth the bother. It was fun for a while. Having the death threats about the Steven Daigle scene was a bit irritating, but having my husband targeted by another blog was the sign it was time I just walked away from arguing with people who just wanted to argue.

Now I just blog about what I'm doing and if I want a throw down argument, I'll come here but generally won't get too involved in porn debates. People always end up hauling out the "you're a hypocrite" or "you're on drugs" or "you're homophobic" or some other nonsense because I won't make porn they cast and script.
 
Re: Active Duty update thread

In regards to what happened several years ago...those troops knew damn well the risks they were taking in making the videos and choose to go ahead anyway.
I will also say this...some of the people outraged over this sure don't seem to have the same level of contempt for the homophic gay for pay actors throughout the industry.

Seriously? Your still posting and on top of that calling people out about your weak ass agenda when you and others like you flip so easily? You post about getting all the gay 4pay models out but, gush over this new kid with becomes more increasingly has a background of hate that includes hate against the gay community.

You need a time out.

CXXX..|
 
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you'll notice I stopped posting porn here about over a year ago.

Wasn't worth the bother. It was fun for a while. Having the death threats about the Steven Daigle scene was a bit irritating, but having my husband targeted by another blog was the sign it was time I just walked away from arguing with people who just wanted to argue.

Now I just blog about what I'm doing and if I want a throw down argument, I'll come here but generally won't get too involved in porn debates. People always end up hauling out the "you're a hypocrite" or "you're on drugs" or "you're homophobic" or some other nonsense because I won't make porn they cast and script.

To be honest, I've always enjoyed your posts and I actually regret writing that. I was caught up in the mood and what you wrote set me off but I usually enjoy your arguments.

No hard feelings I hope.
 
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He's calling your bluffs.

Brilliantly.

I'm willing to bet not a single one of you contacts him about it.

WHAT bluffs, though? It's MORE deflection to make the story about the people posting here rather than about the racist tattoos!

You're joining him in making this about "shit stirrers" rather than the offensive, racist tattoos on display!

Jeezus!!
 
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Seriously? Your still posting and on top of that calling people out about your weak ass agenda when you and others like you flip so easily? You post about getting all the gay 4pay models out but, gush over this new kid with becomes more increasingly has a background of hate that includes hate against the gay community.

You need a time out.

CXXX..|

My point is simply we get outraged over this but don't seem to have the same level of outrage over the gay4payers or Spencer Reed still being in porn for that matter. In any case..it doesn't appear that he's going away..just like the others aren't so do what I do and cancel.
As for the other part...I've said this in countless posts..when you're in a profession like the military,law enforcement,teaching etc...you know darn well the risks you're taking by doing porn.
 
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He's calling your bluffs.

Brilliantly.

I'm willing to bet not a single one of you contacts him about it.

I have already posted that i am not a member and why. It doesn't matter whether any of us it's that fact that it's pretty damned sad and sorry that people ignore this blatantly Neo Nazi and choose to look the other way because they like the look of a model. It may be just porn but, it sends a message loud and clear it is the worst representation of the gay community. It is also a slap in the face that yet another porn producer thinks people should just go along with whatever THEY say is the facts when the odds of him not knowing are 1 in a billion.

I do like that you show us who you are by defending a rather defenseless argument. I have made it a point to not respond to you and your bullshit since you returned but, this is pretty sad of you. I have known where Dink has stood for years and now i know even better. I love knowing who's who and what's what especially when racism is involved.

Dink has gained a lot of attention with this model however, i doubt it will be good for business as i'm sure that people are going to jump all over themselves to post his scenes to a file sharing site and go nuts.

CXXX..|
 
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