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Active Duty's Axl tattoo controversy

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I've created this thread by splitting the discussion away from the main Active Duty Update thread.

Whilst Axl is currently on the Prohibited Content list, for the purpose of the discussion alone , the image below is of the model and tattoos concerned.


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I've been reading up on Axl's tattoos. He's a white supremacist.

14 = representing 14 words written by David Lane, "We must secure the existance of our people and a future for white children.

88 = The 8th letter of the alphabet being H. So 88 would be HH, for Heil Hitler.

Elbow Web = The traditional symbol used by all racists to indicate time served in jail.

Celtic Cross = Represents international white pride.

http://www.strhatetalk.com/Tattoo_Page_2.php

http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp

This is one seriously fucked up kid. Dink, I can't support your choice in models with this person. I asked that my post be removed about him.

I would like to read the words tattooed on his chest but can't find a pic clear enough.
 
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This is so SAD ABOUT AXL I NOW KNOW THAT MY MONEY WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS SITE UNTIL HE IS GONE. I'M NOT MAD AT YOU DINK CAUSE YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW.YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT & WHOM YOU TALK TO IN WAL-MART THESE DAYS ONE WRONG PERSON AS AXL APPEARS TO BE CAN RUIN EVERYTHING......

..| Thank-You Cowboy Bob for bringing that to light cause a guy had posted in the galleries that DINK was supporting a guy from the AB:eek: and NOW through your careful investigation I now it was true. Like I sad so SAD about AXL
 
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One thing...the AB is not too keen on homosexuals either. Perhaps Dynk should be given a chance to defend himself before we automatically brand him and Axl a racist.
 
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This is so SAD ABOUT AXL I NOW KNOW THAT MY MONEY WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS SITE UNTIL HE IS GONE. I'M NOT MAD AT YOU DINK CAUSE YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW.YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT & WHOM YOU TALK TO IN WAL-MART THESE DAYS ONE WRONG PERSON AS AXL APPEARS TO BE CAN RUIN EVERYTHING......

..| Thank-You Cowboy Bob for bringing that to light cause a guy had posted in the galleries that DINK was supporting a guy from the AB:eek: and NOW through your careful investigation I now it was true. Like I sad so SAD about AXL

You are absolutely right that I had no idea about the meaning behind Axl's tattoos. I see so many tats on these guys that I don't always inquire as to the meaning. To some, the tattoos have meaning, to others they get them on a whim or bet or just by being plain naive as to the true meaning behind them.

When I was 14 I was encouraged by an older neighbor to let him put a cross tattoo on my left arm. I didn't do it because I felt the tattoo had any serious meaning to me. I did it because my older neighbor said it was cool. I looked up to him and trusted him to put it there. I wanted to fit in with the older guys in the neighborhood and be cool. I have deeply regretted having done so ever since. We all make mistakes in our youth that we either immediately or later come to regret. It's part of growing up. Sometimes peer pressure causes us to make bad decisions.

I spent five days straight in the company of this young man and not once did I ever sense or see an angry or mean bone in his body. He was sweet, gentle and very caring. In fact, I can't remember the last time I worked with a guy that had such a sweet and caring demeanor. He was childlike in his fascination with what he was doing and so very happy and intent on doing a good job. We spent a lot of time out in public during our time together and not once did I hear him make any mean-spirited or racist comments and I live in a very culturally diverse part of the country. He smiled and beamed with pure sweetness the entire time.

I've been dealing with young men like Axl for many, many years and usually I can sense right away if something inside them is angry, mean or judgmental. It goes with the experience of having been around so many of them, gotten to know them well and having an innate ability to sense these things.

One thing I did learn about Axl, like so many of these young men, is that he had a very hard childhood. When we are young and impressionable we sometimes make decisions based on our environment that we otherwise wouldn't have made. I'm not saying that this is the end all explanation for why he got the tattoos that he got, but I would bet money on the fact that he knew very little in retrospect about their true meaning.

From what I know about the AB, which is very little at all, is that they also hate homosexuals. However, anyone that watches this young man in action in his latest scene or watches him in his War Chest solo would be hard pressed to tell me that we are dealing with a serious member of any type of hate group. He's simply not wired that way. He obviously is loving every moment of what is happening and he's very happy to be part of it.

I'm 40 years old and every time I look in the mirror and see that poorly done tattoo of a cross on my arm I am forced to recall a time when I was none-the-wiser for my actions. Let us all remember that before we cast stones at a young man who may very well feel the same.

The next time I speak to Axl, which should be soon, I'll be sure to ask him what his tattoos mean to him. It is my thought that his answer will come with much naivety or regret or both.

Does this put you in the mind of a serious member of any hate group?

http://www.activeduty.com/tour/image.php?id=164782&type=vids&cg=1234&mt=mp42000k&section=free_scene#164782


If it does, I must be REALLY naive myself.
 
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Nice answer, Dink... just watched the scene and despite the tattoos, he really doesn't seem the type of person that would fit in a hate organization (especially after being in a gay site and clearly enjoying it). But I think it's valid to enquire what those tattoos mean to him.

(the scene itself was insanely hot, by the way! ..|)
 
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One thing...the AB is not too keen on homosexuals either. Perhaps Dynk should be given a chance to defend himself before we automatically brand him and Axl a racist.

Ninja108 not once did I brand DINK as that and I NEVER WOULD its just that when CowboyBob brings stuff like this to light what else am I SUPPOSE to think? And as easyroad said nice answer..| But some people won't see it that way NO MATTER WHAT DINK SAYS.

AS I SAID DINK I DIDN'T/DON'T BLAME YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE AND STILL DO BRING US THE HOT MEN SO THANK-YOU AND KEEP UP THE GREAT AND EXCELLENT WORK ..||

PEACE
 
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Thanks Dink for your explanation. Yes, the AD guys have a lot of ink and since you see so much of it you probably didn't pay that much attention. It's understandable.

You have one of the best sites on the internet and some of the best guys. Axl is stunning but those tatts he displays puts an entirely different light of what kind of person he is. They're not faded and since you can't tattoo a minor (he appears young) those are recently done. He knows what the tattoos mean.

As I stated before, he's one fucked up kid. Charming, handsome, seductive, and a member of the AB wanting easy cash.
 
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Thanks Dink for your explanation. Yes, the AD guys have a lot of ink and since you see so much of it you probably didn't pay that much attention. It's understandable.

You have one of the best sites on the internet and some of the best guys. Axl is stunning but those tatts he displays puts an entirely different light of what kind of person he is. They're not faded and since you can't tattoo a minor (he appears young) those are recently done. He knows what the tattoos mean.

As I stated before, he's one fucked up kid. Charming, handsome, seductive, and a member of the AB wanting easy cash.

Cowboy Bob, I'm going to have to disagree with you on two things you said above:

1. He is just 18 and I'm pretty certain those tats were done a few years ago. You may not know much about the tattoo world these days and how many "artist" are now practicing the trade out of their garages or kitchens. There is a store right down the street from my house that sells very intricate and sophisticated tattoo guns to anyone that walks in their door. So, your point of the legality is moot from that perspective.

2. I tend to think I'm a good judge of character as I've dealt with some of the most dangerous people on the face of the planet and because of my intuitive cautiousness I'm still alive. I have a keen ability to sense danger and dangerous people. I disagree that he is a "fucked up kid". He may be a young man that was once mislead by naivety but I'd say he's pretty stable.

And maybe at this point in his life he has a better understanding of what the tattoos mean, but my guess would be that he also knows that he stands for none of what you, or the tattoos, insinuate.

The Active Duty guys are also a good group of guys and not one of them noticed anything out of the ordinary about Axl or suspected he was part of any hate group. Obviously none of them knew the meaning of his tattoos either as it was never mentioned by any of the guys.

I think there is a tendency on this, just like many other threads, to gravitate toward blowing things out of proportion. People like sensationalism and some of us enjoy bringing light to the negative. It goes with the territory and everyone that posts here (including myself) are welcome to express their opinions. So, I hope you'll take my response as my opinion and not an attack on yours.

Hugs
Dink
 
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Not a problem Dink. I appreciate your comments. I just know what I see and that's not something I care to view or be part of.

Thanks.
 
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Not a problem Dink. I appreciate your comments. I just know what I see and that's not something I care to view or be part of.

Thanks.

And you have every right to boycott Axl based on how you feel. But there is an old saying that does hold true: "Never judge a book by its cover" lest you miss the message within.

Thanks for your feedback.
 
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And you have every right to boycott Axl based on how you feel. But there is an old saying that does hold true: "Never judge a book by its cover" lest you miss the message within.

Thanks for your feedback.

Well said, Dink - I've really appreciated your responses on this subject tonight... And from the 80 minutes of vid I've seen of Axl on your site this past week, all I can say if he's a member of any 'hate group' he could make a fortune as one of the world's best actors...
 
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Well said, Dink - I've really appreciated your responses on this subject tonight... And from the 80 minutes of vid I've seen of Axl on your site this past week, all I can say if he's a member of any 'hate group' he could make a fortune as one of the world's best actors...

I'll holler out from the AMEN corner on that one, Calvar. Here's a nice free clip of the four way hardcore scene for you guys:

http://www.activeduty.com/tour/image.php?id=164869&type=vids&cg=1237&mt=mp4800k&section=free_scene#164869
 
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There's also a tattoo on the back of one of his arms that says "The Evil Within"... so weird - and it doesn't fit with his personality (as shown in the scene) at all. He's either the oddest member of a hate group or the most unfortunate victim of bad tattoo choices!
 
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Nice answer, Dink... just watched the scene and despite the tattoos, he really doesn't seem the type of person that would fit in a hate organization (especially after being in a gay site and clearly enjoying it). But I think it's valid to enquire what those tattoos mean to him.

(the scene itself was insanely hot, by the way! ..|)

So glad you enjoyed the scene. It was one of the most enjoyable scenes I've filmed this year.
 
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Cowboy Bob, I'm going to have to disagree with you on two things you said above:

1. He is just 18 and I'm pretty certain those tats were done a few years ago. You may not know much about the tattoo world these days and how many "artist" are now practicing the trade out of their garages or kitchens. There is a store right down the street from my house that sells very intricate and sophisticated tattoo guns to anyone that walks in their door. So, your point of the legality is moot from that perspective.

2. I tend to think I'm a good judge of character as I've dealt with some of the most dangerous people on the face of the planet and because of my intuitive cautiousness I'm still alive. I have a keen ability to sense danger and dangerous people. I disagree that he is a "fucked up kid". He may be a young man that was once mislead by naivety but I'd say he's pretty stable.

And maybe at this point in his life he has a better understanding of what the tattoos mean, but my guess would be that he also knows that he stands for none of what you, or the tattoos, insinuate.

The Active Duty guys are also a good group of guys and not one of them noticed anything out of the ordinary about Axl or suspected he was part of any hate group. Obviously none of them knew the meaning of his tattoos either as it was never mentioned by any of the guys.

I think there is a tendency on this, just like many other threads, to gravitate toward blowing things out of proportion. People like sensationalism and some of us enjoy bringing light to the negative. It goes with the territory and everyone that posts here (including myself) are welcome to express their opinions. So, I hope you'll take my response as my opinion and not an attack on yours.

Hugs
Dink

I abhor sensationalism actually. All I wanna know is why wouldn't you want to shine a light on a person and show them for who they truly are? And that is just a rhetorical question it has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH AXL.

Man I wish I was like COWBOYBOB and stick to my guns on AXL..... :confused: MORE than EVER. And I don't like being that way either.
 
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Nice answer, Dink... just watched the scene and despite the tattoos, he really doesn't seem the type of person that would fit in a hate organization (especially after being in a gay site and clearly enjoying it). But I think it's valid to enquire what those tattoos mean to him.

(the scene itself was insanely hot, by the way! ..|)

I abhor sensationalism actually. All I wanna know is why wouldn't you want to shine a light on a person and show them for who they truly are? And that is just a rhetorical question it has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH AXL.

Man I wish I was like COWBOYBOB and stick to my guns on AXL..... :confused: MORE than EVER. And I don't like being that way either.

Tattoos (like the one on my left arm that I mention above) are many times not indicative of who they/we really are. I stand by my thoughts on Axl. I believe him to be a very good, gentle, caring and decent young man. That's not saying I'm right.
 
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And on that note, I'm going to be like Harper Lee from here on out on the subject, when she was asked by Oprah:

Oprah: "But why didn't you ever write another book after "To Kill A Mockingbird"?

Harper Lee: "I said all I had to say"
 
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Tattoos (like the one on my left arm that I mention above) are many times not indicative of who they/we really are. I stand by my thoughts on Axl. I believe him to be a very good, gentle, caring and decent young man. That's not saying I'm right.

No, but you've at least met the guy and spent some time in his company, which I suspect is more than anyone else posting on this thread can say...
 
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Everyone's mind has already been made up, so there is no point in talking about it any further.
Those who want to believe Dynk (whom has actually spent more time with him than any of us posting here have and is a good judge of character) will do so.
Those who already have their minds made up aren't going to change them no matter what is said or done.
All I'll say is this..there aren't too many hate groups that will welcome someone who says he enjoys sex with men and cleary does from what we've seen in the clips.
 
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