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Active Duty's Axl tattoo controversy

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Oh, I should add that the 'Axl tattoos issue' is under discussion at Mod Towers at the moment.
As a result of the discussion at Mod Towers, we have added 'Axl' to the list of Prohibited Content.

Any images already posted in any of the forums will be removed.

Whilst we are happy to accept that he may well be a really nice guy, having one tattoo linked to White Supremacy is one thing, but having several, is either planned or extremely stupid and naive.

Regardless of the reason, we feel that an image of him with the tattoos breaches the Code of Conduct - specifically #3 relating to images that may be deemed potentially obscene material, and #8 relating to hate speech.

The JUB Galleries are part of the affiliate programme and therefore out of the jurisdiction of the Moderators - however Mark, the site owner, is aware of the current issue.

I will also point out that JUB has no issue with the Active Duty site nor it's owner.
 
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ONe will have to see where it goes from here. I imagine if Axl is used again..the customers will make it known with their wallets.
Then again,people are more than happy to support homophobic gay4payers and abusers so I truly don't think anything will come of it.
 
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As a result of the discussion at Mod Towers, we have added 'Axl' to the list of Prohibited Content.

Any images already posted in any of the forums will be removed.

Whilst we are happy to accept that he may well be a really nice guy, having one tattoo linked to White Supremacy is one thing, but having several, is either planned or extremely stupid and naive.

Regardless of the reason, we feel that an image of him with the tattoos breaches the Code of Conduct - specifically #3 relating to images that may be deemed potentially obscene material, and #8 relating to hate speech.

The JUB Galleries are part of the affiliate programme and therefore out of the jurisdiction of the Moderators - however Mark, the site owner, is aware of the current issue.

I will also point out that JUB has no issue with the Active Duty site nor it's owner.

I am happy to see that JUB has taken a stand against those images posted.

ONe will have to see where it goes from here. I imagine if Axl is used again..the customers will make it known with their wallets.
Then again,people are more than happy to support homophobic gay4payers and abusers so I truly don't think anything will come of it.

The only way someone can tell if a model is Homophobic or an abuser would be to read an article or interview where a models say's negative things about this community. This is a totally different animal. Axl wears his hate/views openly while someone who is working in the gay porn industry and finding it disgusting. At the end of the day if a model is str8 and is a sex worker in the gay community he hates himself much more then we ever could.


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At the end of the day if a model is str8 and is a sex worker in the gay community he hates himself much more then we ever could.

That assumes facts not in evidence. All we can safely say (without attributing motives to someone based on our own biases) is that he is in a place in his life, personally or financially, where it has become expedient to do sex work.

Back on topic, I wouldn't be adverse to seeing Axl after a well-designed tattoo cover. Like I said in my first post, young men and women sometimes are lead to believe terrible things that don't hold up after a few years - after life experience changes their perspective. Probably, a better explanation is in order as well.
 
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That assumes facts not in evidence. All we can safely say (without attributing motives to someone based on our own biases) is that he is in a place in his life, personally or financially, where it has become expedient to do sex work.

Back on topic, I wouldn't be adverse to seeing Axl after a well-designed tattoo cover. Like I said in my first post, young men and women sometimes are lead to believe terrible things that don't hold up after a few years - after life experience changes their perspective. Probably, a better explanation is in order as well.

My Point was directed to ninja about how we, in the gay community don't get as angry as we should, when gay 4 pay models are also homophobic and let it be known. There is no bias for me. It's true that when people work in a chosen career that they love they are much more happier and many don't call it a job and enjoy going to work everyday.

My statement goes to someone working in an industry that they disdain leads me to think those people disgusted with themselves far more then i am with them because it's internal and something they can't really shake off at the end of the day. those models who actively work in the industry and they have extreme reactions to that work and vocalize their homophobia closes a lot of doors for them. Look at Malachai Marx who had to throw up after a scene. That didn't come from us attacking him ,but from his own internal feelings of shame. Then he came back and did a couple more scenes before disappearing again.

I have no issue with gay 4 pay models. I just want a good performance. Others however, want gay porn to be gay models only which confuses me when they then turn around and gush all over a new gay 4 pay model. Active Duty operates on the fact that these are str8 military, masculine men who love pussy but are persuaded to have sex with men for money. It's a Niche.

I have met several Gay 4 Pay models who have been Very cool and some that having sex with men screwed them up more then they already were. I believe anyone who forces themselves to have sex for money with men (Gay or Str8, it applies to all) would have very low self esteem and people are there own worst enemy and that does more damage to them they anyone else could. Dink intimated that Axl didn't comment concerning a girl he loved and afraid of what the gay community's backlash would be, I doubt him. Directors,producers and studio owners encourage the models to play it str8, even/especially if they are gay. They focus on selling the masculine str8 men persona. The ungettable get to sell their product.


There are plenty of ex-porn models that wish they never did porn and many think it added to their lives even though they left and married women and had babies, like David fro Fratmen. Then you loser's Like Spencer from Fatmen who fervently lied about his porn past and wondered if got a gay roommate they would be sniffing his underwear and molesting him. His comments and disdain for the gay community and what he did will follow him forever.



So for the hardcore group(you know who you are) campaigning for all gay 4 pay models out of the gay porn industry either stick to that or change your tune. No more flip-flopping, please.

Also, if Axl is msart and gets away from the people that some say took advantage of him then he would remove those tat's, but even then just because you washed the outside is the inside still dirty?


Interesting link someone posted on The Sword: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-filled-tattoos-removed-face-article-1.969836

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At what point did Hellax ever care about "facts in evidence" before throwing his phony indignation fits?

Some people just need a cause.


Knowing people who have once worked in the industry and many,many stories posted on somewhat reasonable forums/blogs and by the twitter, Facebook, myspace, their own personal blogs then i have reference points and facts and common sense. It takes living within this community for many years and even on a basic level of people doing things against their nature (Esp. Sexual services) takes a heavy toll. But, I'm sure you will come in here and say you don't know any people like that and everything is so much better in pornland even when your boss is sucking dirty cock of a str8 that didn't even bother to Shower and apparently no one on that set had the good mind to have him use the shower.

Take from it what you will or not. Don't ASSume to know me and who i have met and gotten to know. My experiences have come right out of California where i grew and met more then my far share. I'll let you continue with the love fest going on between you and Dink. Even if you are wrong on so many levels.

Hey is Jake gonna use the NN kid? Dink gonna loan him out to Jake?

NVM you don't need to answer.


CXXX..|
 
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I feel like I might have stepped into a longstanding beef. I'm going to go hide back in the CF thread now. . .
 
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I agree with JUB's decision regarding this matter. ..|

I'm the first person to say that I absolutely love white guys. But I am also a gay man of color, and those photos promoting white supremacy and the Aryan Brotherhood were very offensive to me (even if that was not the intention).

I support Dink's right to feature whoever he chooses on his website (as long as they're at least 18, of course). If "Axl" is a big hit on "Active Duty", then all the best for him and Dink.

But JUB also has the right to decide if those images of Axl were appropriate for their website.
 
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even when your boss is sucking dirty cock of a str8 that didn't even bother to Shower and apparently no one on that set had the good mind to have him use the shower.

(a) I do not have a boss.

(b) This is clearly just another made-up story that you "know all about."

Don't ASSume to know me and

But you can assume to know Axl. OK. I see how that works.

Hey is Jake gonna use the NN kid?

You do realize that I haven't worked for Jake Cruise in months, right? That I left JCMedia to start my own production company last summer? Jake and I still talk every so often but only as friends and not really about the industry when we do?

And most of all... what was that last bit about? What does Jake have to do with any of this? Are you trying to make some point that only you "get."
 
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I'm the first person to say that I absolutely love white guys. But I am also a gay man of color, and those photos promoting white supremacy and the Aryan Brotherhood were very offensive to me (even if that was not the intention).

Weren't you the guy who just yesterday was gushing about how hot a former reality show star was while telling us about how you wanted to be raped by him in prison, where he is for beating up a woman in a drunken rage outside a bar in Fresno?

So... people who may or may not be White Supremacists aren't OK but guys who beat up women are "hot."

How does that work?
 
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Weren't you the guy who just yesterday was gushing about how hot a former reality show star was while telling us about how you wanted to be raped by him in prison, where he is for beating up a woman in a drunken rage outside a bar in Fresno?

So... people who may or may not be White Supremacists aren't OK but guys who beat up women are "hot."

How does that work?


You asked me the same thing already, and I already answered your question in that thread.

I never once excused or condoned what that guy did. If he did physically assault anyone, he should face the legal consequences.

I did say that he was hot (just as Axl is "hot"), and that I had a fantasy of having consensual sex with him. I never said I wanted to be "raped" by him.

Fantasy and reality are different things.

Please don't try to twist my words, simply because you disagree with me.
 
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I never once excused or condoned what that guy did. If he did physically assault anyone, he should face the legal consequences.

And then posted a bunch of pictures of him when you think that JUB shouldn't even allow pictures of axl.

I won't get into that decision, JUB isn't my site and they can have whatever rules they want. There are sites I won't' promote on my blog because of my own personal issues and it's my decision to make.

I'm just wondering why it's OK to post pictures of one and not the other in your mind.
 
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I'm not certain whether "Axl" knew or knows the meaning of the tats. I AM certain that what they signify is far greater than his porn career. Too fuckin bad if he is fired for being unaware of their meaning. It's much the same as if a foreign porn actor had the "N word" tattooed on him, because he didn't know what it meant. We all owe it to African Americans (and maybe even more to ourselves to maintain our self-dignity) to get that crap out of all media. There is a hierarchy of importance to these things and racism is one of the most important, because it is part of caring for all our brothers and sisters.
 
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I can't and wouldn't want to speak for Dink.

but I'm pretty sure he wasn't fired.

Anyway... I'll still post pictures of him on my blog and I'm more than happy to let people debate it there. I've posted a lot of stuff on my blog and let gay guys debate what they think about things. I'm also trying to get Dink to grant me an interview with Axl so we can hear it right from him.

I know nothing... zero... I know what some of those tattoos generally mean but I also know that sometimes kids get tattoos and think they "look" cool without understanding the history behind them.

Like the guys who walk around with 8 Balls on them thinking it means they like to play pool.

Or he might be a total Neo Nazi and Dink and I are wrong. Until there's more info... I'm going to wait. I've been wrong before and ended up looking like a tard.

Check out the thread currently in the main forum where I thought someone was being an asshole to someone else.. jumped in to defend him and play the Defender of the Bullied when it turned out the guy wasn't being an asshole and all I did was make a big stink about nothing.

So even I get it wrong.

From time to time.
 
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(a) I do not have a boss.

(b) This is clearly just another made-up story that you "know all about."



But you can assume to know Axl. OK. I see how that works.



You do realize that I haven't worked for Jake Cruise in months, right? That I left JCMedia to start my own production company last summer? Jake and I still talk every so often but only as friends and not really about the industry when we do?

And most of all... what was that last bit about? What does Jake have to do with any of this? Are you trying to make some point that only you "get."

So you no longer have a boss. Congratulations. No i didn't know you and Jake Split. I do not follow you so i was unaware of the split.I guess when the ship was going down you jumped pretty quickly. BTW, wasn't it after summer you were still posting as JCMedia here on JUB?

You yourself posted about how Kay the Asian model who changed his name 100 times, that he showed up for his scene with Jake without having taken a shower and Jake just went ahead with the scene. Your words, not mine.

No i wasn't aware you too parted ways. Glad your still buddies. If your production company was behind that scene you were in....well....Hmmm...|

As far as this kid is concerned, i really do not to assume since he himself made it public knowledge by permanently inking himself with White Pride symbols. Frankly, if he did it on purpose (Which is most likely) or he let's anyone do anything to him as i'm sure Dink has done and will continue to do. You and Dink believe that a flimsy excuse can erase what is in front of everyone's eyes and make people think they are the one's with the problem. As one gay man to another it fucking disgusts me how you want to give someone who just as easily would jump you on the street for being gay with his "Brothers" so that he can "Fit In" and most likely has done so, But hey' his pretty and that's all that matters.

This is your pattern,you defend an Abuser and Racist Steven Daigle, Mason Wyler when he used the N-word and fabricated that rape story and Cody Cummings when he made homophobic remarks. It was classy when you made a second interview and questioned him about the "Haters" i.e. gay men who were offended by his homophobic rant on his blog and in another interview. Now, you want to defend dink and this kid YOU don't even know.

So are you going to hire him for you videos? Is it just another Mason Wyler situation where you say you'll work with him and it never happens? Or are you gonna let his little freak white supremacist flag fly for your company?


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I guess when the ship was going down you jumped pretty quickly.

Except the rumors that you're spreading about the "ship going down" were just rumors made up by The Sword. Jake's company is stronger than ever, and the stories about him going out of business or selling the Jake Cruise ranch were so wrong it was funny. Jake decided not to take the option to purchase the Cruise Ranch because (from what I understand, I'd already left when this happened), there was a large construction project moving in close by and he wanted more space and more privacy. Besides, shooting outside there was kind of annoying with planes flying overhead every 3 minutes in the afternoon.

So he got a larger place that was in the Hollywood Hills. The Cruise Ranch was beautiful but a bit far out of town and too close to where the wild fires were.

Jake stopped production while he was moving and told scouts this.. but by the time it had telephone tagged itself to the blogs, "Jake Cruise Stops Production on Cocksure Men." Which was laughable. They're shooting up there today.

So as you can see... you're believing and spreading false rumors yet again.

And that means that....

This is your pattern


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Why not stop doing that?
 
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...Anyway... I'll still post pictures of him on my blog and I'm more than happy to let people debate it there...
I already did on mine as soon as I got the affiliate email. :)
I know nothing... zero... I know what some of those tattoos generally mean but I also know that sometimes kids get tattoos and think they "look" cool without understanding the history behind them...
This is very true, and even if it turns out that the guy genuinely had no idea of the symbolism attached to them, we would still remove them from JUB because it's the sight of them that is causing offence - not so much as whether he is or isn't a White Supremacist.
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As an additional thought, considering that there are Fetish sites out there that focus on chavs, skinheads, etc, I wonder if his images would have created such a stir in the Fetish forum? I'm guessing not - simply because it would be presented as more of a role play scenario than simply 'a hot guy'.

I do however, expect the same amount of drama the next time that a gay4payer is on record as saying that faggots are sick or perverted etc - but somehow I don't think that's about to happen.

Personally, even if he is a neo-nazi, I'd rather have sex with an open hot guy like Axl than with a gay4payer that keeps his hatred hidden.... guess I just like honesty from my tricks.
 
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Except the rumors that you're spreading about the "ship going down" were just rumors made up by The Sword. Jake's company is stronger than ever,

Except that it isn't...

You see, they have stopped production of SG4GE videos a long time ago, and now Cocksure men videos mostly feature third rate models (not the first rate they used to feature).
 
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Regarding the Axl issue, it's pretty obvious that he knew what those tattoos meant when he got them.

But also, I bet (as Dink said) that he had a very difficult childhood/teen years and he may even had served time in ¨juvie¨, which may explain where and why he got them.

Also, I give the benefit of the doubt to the kid, and if he wants to bury that past behind him, then I'm all about giving second chances to people
 
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