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Active Duty's Axl tattoo controversy

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^ regardless of that, I think the point remains that people see what they want to see, and interpret them how they want to interpret them... ;)

I'm sorry, but are you saying that you now think that's what has happened here? That the racist tattoos on the model are nothing but a "misinterpretation" by some overly-sensitive people?
 
I got the joke. I guess I implicitly got the answer to my question, too. Dink would prefer not to have a heart to heart with Axl because he is afraid of what he will find hear. He is the curator who wants to believe the implausible, rather than find out that the miner just went home to fuck his wife.

Assumption
 
Possibly, yes.

That question was not directed to you, it was directed at someone in who's rationality I actually believe. Of course, you can't resist using any opportunity to deflect (yet again) the situation to place the blame of the "offense" on the people who dared be offended.

But even in your smug "possibly, yes" response you concede the possibility that it isn't so you are at least willing to exploit the possibility of racism in the name of a dollar.

Seriously, why don't you just say "fuck off" already and stop hiding behind all this coy nonsense of yours. Just admit that you don't care and be done with it.
 
I missed most of this, but a few points:

1) A symbol's meaning is what is read, not what is written. The Confederate Battle Flag is a racist symbol, and if you mean "I'm a southerner and proud" you can't just use it to mean that, because anyone who sees it will read you as declaring your racism, because that's what it means now.

Similarly, a biohazard symbol as a tattoo means you're HIV positive; Jasun's negative friend made a mistake by getting that tattoo. The mistake is NOT on the part of the people reading it and assuming he's saying he's positive. What HE meant by it is actually irrelevant. It's incumbent upon him to explain to people when it matters (which should be only when he's about to have sex, on camera or off).

I hope no one would dispute that you can't wear a swastika and blame people for assuming you're a (neo-)Nazi. It really was an innocuous sun symbol before the Nazis got hold of it--but it ain't now, and tough.

2) It really is possible that Axl was that naive as a teen. Racists are by definition unscrupulous people with nothing a reasonable person would call ethics; why would they hesitate to mark up some dumbass teen just for practice drawing the symbols for their AB brethren?

3) That said, it seems more likely that he got the tats because he thought they were cool, as a way of acting out. Since he was too young when he got them, he (or at any rate the tattooist) was breaking the law even if the tats had been hearts and flowers. Teenagers, as I may have mentioned, are often stupid and almost always clueless about a lot of things.

He may have had a racist past, even a homophobic one. Am I the only one who got called faggot in high school by guys who later turned up at the gay bar, with anything but a homophobic attitude?

4)
The choice of stage name for him is kind of suspicious in itself. The most famous Axl is, of course, the notoriously racist and homophobic frontman of Guns 'N' Roses, Axl Rose. (Axl isn't his real name either.) Anyone believe that's a coincidence? Anyone think it's this kid's real name? Thought not.

5) According to what I've read here, Dink has not made Axl aware of what's being said here. I hope he does find out, though, because his reaction will be telling. He could, for example, have a tattoo artist block in the "14" and the "88" so that they appear as solid squares. That wouldn't take long or be expensive, but it would make it clear that he doesn't stand behind those sentiments.

6) The Celtic Cross? A racist symbol? First I've heard. And according to an earlier post in this thread, the idea that it's PRIMARILY a racist symbol is debunked by people who know about such things. To be watched, because the swastika effect could still turn it INTO a racist symbol, even though it predates CHRISTIANITY (let alone the racist horrors of the 20th Century) by a thousand years or more. And the Thor-hammer became a symbol of Norse Paganism only after Christianity came to Norse lands, and people who kept the old ways wanted something they could wear around their necks to declare their allegiance, as Christians had the cross.

Some Asatru (people who follow the Norse gods) are racist. Some are not. Just as some Christians are homophobic, and others are not.

7) Has anyone thought that maybe the thing that Dink found exciting about Axl was the fact that he had all these tough bad guy tats and yet was a sweet bottom boy? Or even "hah! Look at all this neo-Nazi body art...we'll show him sucking dick and getting fucked and REALLY piss off the AB!"

OK, that's a stretch. But most things are complicated, much as we'd like them to be simple. And I'd love to see video (because I don't go near such people if I can avoid them) of an AB mucky-muck watching Axl bottom and having his head explode!
 
I'm sorry, but are you saying that you now think that's what has happened here? That the racist tattoos on the model are nothing but a "misinterpretation" by some overly-sensitive people?
There's no 'now' about it, I've neither agreed or disagreed with either side of the discussion in any of my 7 posts in this thread. I've added my personal opinion on the ethnic diversity in porn (or lack of it), and I've posted my personal opinion about Dink's business model and his handling of this controversy. The decision to remove images was the result of ME bringing the matter to the attention of my fellow mods, based on what I interpreted to be a Code of Conduct issue.

Do I believe that people have misinterpretated the tattoos? No.

Do I believe that people are being overly-sensitive? About White Pride? No.

But I DO think that there's some dis-proportionate reaction and name-calling over these last 6 pages, and people have been choosing what they want to hear. Now, that may be because I'm from the UK and we're a lot more reserved about our reactions, but it also has something to do with what we as a community seem to excel at, and that is hypocrisy and judgement.

Whilst doing some housekeeping on numerous threads this week, I've come across models with a 'hammer & sickle' tattoo - this symbol is banned in Hungary and Lithuania as 'criminal' and frowned upon in several more countries because of the results of communism and everything that it stands for. There are many models with a crucifix - a symbol derided and hated by many because of the persecution by Christianity from it's origin through to modern day. There are also models with satanic tattoos - which must surely be offensive to good Christian folk. Neither do we restrict discussions of Fred Phelps and the WBC, or remove images of their placards and all of their 'hate' messages.

Nobody seems offended by these models sporting symbols of organisations and idealogies responsible for the suffering and deaths of millions over the years, and nobody asks us to remove the pic of WBC waving placards saying 'God Hates Fags'. Why?

Now, it's not my job to tell anyone here how to think, and neither will I tell you you're right or wrong in what you think, it's simply my job to ensure that when you DO post those thoughts, you don't breach the Code of Conduct.
 
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The other thing I find heartbreaking and unfair to this young man is how people on the blogs can decide to outright attack someone before hearing their side of things. This young man is obviously very open sexually, interested in exploring his sexuality and eager to do so. He was excited to be on Active Duty and be part of a gay porn site. If I brought all of this to his attention and pointed him to these threads he'd be devastated and I'm sure very hurt. In fact, he'd probably be scared off from doing any other work. It serves as an example of how we as a culture can run people back into the closet. It breaks my heart.

Generally people are always bashing the G4Pay models, but here we have a young man that clearly is enjoying what he is doing and really wants to explore. His videos thus far will show you that side of him. He is happy about the opportunity to show off for people who want to see him. To have him bashed like this is just a reminder to all of us that we need to hear both sides of the story before we react to all the malicious attempts to attack his character.

This clown needs to be banned as well. No one, especially someone at 40, can be oblivious as to what these tattoos stand for. I knew what HH, 88 and a spider web tattoo all meant at 20.

No one is this stupid. No one.

I said it years ago on JUB: you can't beat getting an education and coming from an intact family. People that don't have either get sucked into doing porn and joining white supremacist groups (not saying that this loser porn "star" is any of this or belongs to Stormfront BTW). The porn "star" in question has a flat ass and a small dick. The small dick is perfect for people at Stormfront seeing how insecure they are with people that are different (and that includes us homosexuals).

Stay in school.
 
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I said it years ago on JUB: you can't beat getting an education and coming from an intact family. People that don't have either get sucked into doing porn and joining white supremacist groups (not saying that this loser porn "star" is any of this or belongs to Stormfront BTW). The porn "star" in question has a flat ass and a small dick. The small dick is perfect for people at Stormfront seeing how insecure they are with people that are different (and that includes us homosexuals).

Stay in school.

So you disapprove of people doing porn, yet you're a consumer of it (or you wouldn't be on JUB, which is a porn site). And you don't necessarily think Axl is a white supremacist, you're just attacking him because you don't like his ass and dick.

I hope that isn't what you meant, because you're coming off as a real jerk.
 
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So you disapprove of people doing porn, yet you're a consumer of it (or you wouldn't be on JUB, which is a porn site). And you don't necessarily think Axl is a white supremacist, you're just attacking him because you don't like his ass and dick.

I hope that isn't what you meant, because you're coming off as a real jerk.

I'm not going to say one way or another what his current beliefs are as I don't know, but at the time he got those tattoos I think it should be clear as to what he believed. I commented rather bluntly on his ass and dick, because I have a good idea (I believe) of his values of at least one point in time.

I love porn. I just have an idea of the type of people that do porn. I've yet to see a Harvard graduate do gay porn. Why is that? Its web site says there are 50,000 graduates around the world.

Someone posted earlier that "Axl" had a rough life. Of course. I'm not surprised at all. If you've read porn star blogs and tweets, a lot of them are always going through issues most people could never dream of and this isn't a coincidence. ("Axl" is around my age. I don't have any friends with tattoos like him. I firmly believe that his choice of tattoos isn't what a normal person would get when he goes to a tattoo parlor. Porn recruiters aren't attracting the next Steve Jobs.)
 
Too bad no one showed Axl this flowchart:

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I love porn. I just have an idea of the type of people that do porn. I've yet to see a Harvard graduate do gay porn. Why is that? Its web site says there are 50,000 graduates around the world.

Someone posted earlier that "Axl" had a rough life. Of course. I'm not surprised at all. If you've read porn star blogs and tweets, a lot of them are always going through issues most people could never dream of and this isn't a coincidence. ("Axl" is around my age. I don't have any friends with tattoos like him. I firmly believe that his choice of tattoos isn't what a normal person would get when he goes to a tattoo parlor. Porn recruiters aren't attracting the next Steve Jobs.)


I disagree with this.

First, of all this just adds to the negative stereotyping of people who do gay porn.

Would I do gay porn? No, I would not. And even if I wanted to, I don't have the "body" that people would want to see on camera.

But I'm not about to pass judgement on the personal backgrounds or circumstances of people who do gay porn.

Yes, many guys who get into gay porn may do it because of financial reasons, to make ends meet. Maybe they had this athletic body but they were from a small town, and gay porn was their "ticket" to make money fairly quickly and move to the big city.

But at the same time too, some guys who do gay porn are college educated or former military, or they go to school after finishing a "stint" in gay porn.

Conner Habib is a former (?) college English professor and he writes very intelligently and eloquently. He is also a gay porn star..

As for Axl, I don't know about his personal circumstances. He may have come from a "rough" family and got swept into the Aryan Brotherhood. Or maybe not. Regardless of why he got those tattoos, they were offensive and I am glad that JUB decided to not feature him on this website anymore.
 
As an addendum to my previous post, I should clarify that I do not think that being in porn is a good idea if you want to have a high profile career, work with children in any manner, or go into a high-level position in a major company.

Once your photos & videos of you in the nude are posted on the internet, they are there forever. Even if they are removed, someone has downloaded a copy and it will never go away..

If somebody asked me whether I think going into porn is a good idea, I would tell them no, and ask them to strongly reconsider..

BUT.......I don't believe in stereotyping and assuming people's personal backgrounds and beliefs, just because they do gay porn.
 
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I disagree with this.

First, of all this just adds to the negative stereotyping of people who do gay porn.

Would I do gay porn? No, I would not. And even if I wanted to, I don't have the "body" that people would want to see on camera.

But I'm not about to pass judgement on the personal backgrounds or circumstances of people who do gay porn.

Yes, many guys who get into gay porn may do it because of financial reasons, to make ends meet. Maybe they had this athletic body but they were from a small town, and gay porn was their "ticket" to make money fairly quickly and move to the big city.

But at the same time too, some guys who do gay porn are college educated or former military, or they go to school after finishing a "stint" in gay porn.

Conner Habib is a former (?) college English professor and he writes very intelligently and eloquently. He is also a gay porn star..

As for Axl, I don't know about his personal circumstances. He may have come from a "rough" family and got swept into the Aryan Brotherhood. Or maybe not. Regardless of why he got those tattoos, they were offensive and I am glad that JUB decided to not feature him on this website anymore.

I'd never do porn because even though it's me doing porn, I could potentially hurt my family. My mother was appointed by the governor to a high position. My older brother is marrying a national politican's daughter. I just started my career. Why would I put any of this in jeopardy or embarrass my family for a quick buck?

If I had a 12 pack, bubble butt and a million dollar smile, I'd never consider doing porn. NEVER EVER.

"Quick ticket"? There are no shortcuts in life. Would you be excusing a "coyote" who was busted smuggling in illegal immigrants for $100,000 because he couldn't afford his mortgage?

I think not.

At around 25 when their looks fade, they realize they should have been hitting the books instead of lubing their ass the last couple of years.
 
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I'd never do porn because even though it's me doing porn, I could potentially hurt my family. My mother was appointed by the governor to a high position. My older brother is marrying a national politican's daughter. I just started my career. Why would I put any of this in jeopardy or embarrass my family for a quick buck?

If I had a 12 pack, bubble butt and a million dollar smile, I'd never consider doing porn. NEVER EVER.

"Quick ticket"? There are no shortcuts in life. Would you be excusing a "coyote" who was busted smuggling in illegal immigrants for $100,000 because he couldn't afford his mortgage?

I think not.

At around 25 when their looks fade, they realize they should have been hitting the books instead of lubing their ass the last couple of years.

It's nice of you to consider your family and all their "connections" and choose not to do porn. It sounds like your family is in a financial position that you would never have to consider doing porn. That's also very nice. You're fortunate.

I'm sure that you are the only person on this thread who cares that your mother was appointed to a high position or that your brother is marrying into politics. But, you felt it necessary to point it out so you could preach from the self-conceived pedestal that you placed yourself upon by mentioning.

For someone who is "close" to Axl's age you've sure spent a lot of your youth (the last six years to be exact) on a porn thread preaching the gospel in your 8,000 posts. I'd say at the least that makes you persistent. Your family's position in this world makes you no better or smarter than anyone else on this thread.

As for my being a "clown", I think I now have company.
 
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There are no gay white supremacists.

I know right. Because we all know that Racism within the Gay community is totally unheard of... And the very possibility of such things is pure absurdity right...:rolleyes:
 
Hilarious that in a discussion about race/racism, our happy pornographer chooses to post a joke involving men who are perceived to be black.

Axl is hot. His tattoos represent a racist group, regardless of whether or not he knew it. The pornographer now knows they are racist symbols, but chooses to continue to showcase them, and he is basically laughing at everyone in this discussion.

No one's mind will ever be changed in this discussion, and now that it's been conveniently split off from the thread in which new posters might come to learn about AD, this will have little impact.

It's a done deal and a dead horse to keep beating beyond this point.
 
As time passes and the silence of Dink continues regarding his sadness at offending people (even if unintentional), I am reaching the conclusion that Dink has no regard for blacks and may well be racist himself. He has done NOTHING on this board to dispel that notion.
 
To answer Lost lover: Danny Vox, Dark Alley media, is a PhD at his day job

Roman ******* was a staffer at the Israeli consulate during the day until his ex outed him or something.

That tall swedish drink of water (what the hell is his name?) is a real estate firm exec in new york, soon to be star of a bravo tv show and deliberately became a gay porn star to experience it and wrote about it in a book.

Connor Habib is a scholar (i think he teaches college).

If we look hard enough, we would probably find a Harvard graduate to star in a gay porn.

The point is, not all people who do porn are on the down and out. Sure, there are plenty of them who are hustlers and criminals, but for every one of those there is another college kid who need to pay the bills. Even Dink has pointed out several of his boys who are now discharged and in school. And unless you count being in the military as a unsavory job, i dont think many of Dink's "boys" are poor characters.

Criostoir's and Quastar's opinions, i think are right on the point. The reactions to this kid is overblown by a thousand times or so. Liev' (SC) has the hammer and sickle tat, and i think he just use it to denote russian pride, so must we label him a communist and go Joe McCarthy on his ass (ew, visual of gross roy cohn, ew)? Plus when i lived in London, i used to go to a gay skinhead bar right there in the middle of the city. fred perry, bleached jeans, bracers and doc martens, the whole nine yards and then some. I am not white (and pretty obvious that i am not) but i got nothing but smiles when i walk in the door.

Maybe it is just my experience of interacting with someone who "looks" racist but turn out to be sweet as pie, i wont rush to judgment based on a tattoo.
 
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