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Advice on what to do with a homeless 18yo

Bi-Polar Mother alert...do NOT get to know her or even meet her....stay far away from her....I am serious...

It might not be "him" setting you up.......
 
I had told him about probably needing the birth certificate for getting the SS card, but he met his mother at her job last night, which is a hotel/bar, so I'm assuming she didn't have that on her...

And no...lol...I have no reason to ever attempt interaction with his mother.
 
Thing is I do feel bad for him, he seems genuinely nice. I just don't have the finances currently to do anything monetary for him, barely have enough for myself right now. Another issue is my car is getting work done tomorrow, and may be stuck at the garage until Friday some time. So running him all over town is tough as well. It'd have to be today, and right now I'm still sick from whatever it is I ate on Monday. I just don't want to leave him with no support, but at the same time I don't want the responsibility of this, especially since he's so young.

He hasn't killed you yet, so just give the young man a helping hand as long as you can. Let him know he has to get on his own 2 feet a.s.a.p. and he needs to take responsibility for his own life.
 
thorne8791 :wave:

Check your Private Message inbox, please. ..| :biggrin:
 
Update that's not really an update. No new developments since I last posted. Still aiming for Tuesday to run him for his documents and ID.

Sent you a reply Kyanimal, thanks very kindly!
 
Good luck.

I was kind of in the same situation not too long ago and had to cut him loose. In my case though I knew he was using me.
 
All you know is what he has told you, you really have no way of knowing if he is actually 18 or not, or if he is a run away or got kicked out.
I have helped others in the past and it cost me a lot of money and frustration. If you feel obligated to help put him in touch with those who do it and know how to handle situations and scams.
 
I'll help people out, what I won't do is make their problems mine, I wouldn't be driving someone all over town for example, nor would I ever consider giving someone cash. At the very most where money is concerned is I'd maybe pay a fee to the third party if it was an inconsequential amount, once. If someone insisted on cash, no way.

But I'd feed someone and let them use the shower, not so sure I'd let them stay, I'd probably drive the kid to the shelter though.
 
I read this thread this morning and its content has gnawed at me all day. I spent 25+ years working with adults (and they are adults) like this one as well as those who had been through far worse. Recently, I had occasion to meet some more incredible young folks who were in crisis--as was I!

I'll wait another day to fully consider if/how I want to respond to some ideas floated in this thread. But, for now . . . to be very positive and really respond to the OP:

Yes, you really can help him (let's call him David so that we at least begin to humanize him!) and, no, you don't have to get yourself in deeper than you already are. Some suggestions. For the sake of brevity, I'll just outline here. I'll PM the OP to see if he wants more detail on any of this--or anyone else can contact me for it for that matter.

1. LISTEN to David. And I mean really listen. Make eye contact. Encourage him to talk to you--tell you whatever he needs to. AND: As you listen intently, make no judgments, offer no advice, and voice no platitudes.

This is very, very hard to do because he is young and you are not. He's also asking (begging?) for help. He's also acting as though he doesn't know what to do (and, to be fair, who would in his situation?). All of this encourages us as communicators to step into the "older and wiser authority" role. Just about anything you say from that perspective is not helpful and may actually do harm.

Just one example of the killer platitudes we all hear and repeat without thinking: Saying "it's not so bad; after all, you have . . . " is like stabbing him in one eye and telling him he can still see out the other one! Telling him his mother is a lunatic bitch (sure, we all went there when we read it)--or even agreeing with him when he says it--is a judgment that doesn't move him forward. It's ok, to hear him out and let him vent, but don't add gasoline to the fire that burning up his life. And advice, no matter how good or how well-intended, always hits the listener's ear as "You should do _______," from which David will infer "I'm too stupid to figure that out on my own." It's a very short walk from there to "I really am useless."

So, no judgment/advice/platitude responses. Just listen.

2. Be the "guide on the side" as he figures out where he stands and how he can move forward. Again, this is really, really hard because we are socialized to "fix" people who come to us asking for a magic wand solution. Even when both we and they know there isn't one. I've found the following set of questions, in this sequence, to be very useful in getting young adults to talk their way toward progress. Note that I didn't say "solve their problems"; it's not that easy or fast. But this gets them thinking and planning.

What do you want to do to move forward? OR What do you think you need to do to move forward?
This asks David to talk about progress from his perspective. You might have another view, but it's his that will determine what happens next. Best to find out what that is before you work at cross purposes.

Also, the second version of this question will let you hear what David believes progress is supposed to be. You might be very surprised at his expectations. Again, best to find out what they are rather than assume they match yours.

Why do you want to do those things to move beyond where you're at?
In my experience, this is a HUGE question for most 18-year-olds to face, but they need to face it. The most likely response you'll get is, "Because _________ told me." And that's an opportunity to ask David to please explain why ________ would say that. What's the rationale? As an adult, he needs to be able to state--in his own words--why he's going to take a particular course of action. Given time and some silence to think, he probably will do that. It might be a pretty simplistic rationale or poorly expressed. Still, he's talking about why he's doing something. And that will get much more commitment to it.

How do you plan to accomplish what you want to do to move forward?
This one is absolutely key. Let David get away with a weak rationale; but work with him so that he develops a realistic and detailed plan. (People don't plan to fail; they fail to plan. Ooops. There goes my own platitude machine!)

In my experience, the time spent on all the preceding stuff (letting him vent by talking through where he's at, asking him where he wants to go next, making him think about why) really helps lead up to getting David to commit to a reasonable plan of action.

Also, this is the point where you can let David know what you can and cannot provide assistance for. If he makes a plan to go somewhere to do something, you can then say, "Oh, I can make sure you get there; but you'll need to figure out a way back." You might also encourage him to identify who else he could ask for a single favor (a ride to X on Y date) as opposed to asking one person to help with everything.

Nope, using this strategy won't make your worries and ambivalence about David and his issues go away. But, you might have noticed that, in many ways, this thread has allowed YOU to go through the process that I just outlined with all of us. Can you imagine how much better David will feel once he gets to do it--especially with a real, live, human adult sitting there listening to him? Perhaps for the first time in his newly adult life.

Hope this helps. I've seen it work.

For more details, PM me.

Ned
 
^ Ned ...

That's Awesome! :=D:

Perfect perspective! ..|

Trying to help, and actually helping, can be two different things. #-o

Still ... Gotta try! (*8*) :kiss:
Chaz :luv:
 
Amen Ned. Are you a social worker?

I had a similar experience with an 18 yo many years ago that this experience brought back the times I had with another 18yo about 20 years ago. I wish I had kept in touch with him. My "homeless man" was not gay.

All of us need help now and then. If we think about it of we grew up in a family they provided support and got us into the proper channels that most Americans enjoy today: Drivers License or state ID, a job, some spending money, even your first car. We forget the poorer people in this country who are really our fellow countrymen and women and we simply drive right past them or avoid that part of town all together.

I work with Alcoholics and drug addicts who put themselves into the homeless category themselves. So I do not hand them money at the traffic lights and exit ramps. It is true they panhandle for their abuse money, My city has many helps for homeless and there are places to start. People who know the system play it all the time. I know of one man who prefers to live at the YMCA because it is $8 a month rent. He prefers to be poor and plays the state rules to remain poor and get handouts. --Despicable, if you ask me.
But the average Joe and Jane has no idea how to help the newly homeless. This must change.

C
 
Ah that's tough. I got a long story that happened to me. See leven I turned 27 I landed a damn good job. I was now independent and songle. I had my life pretty straight but I met this 19 year old white guy at an undergound club nd he was incredibly cute and handsome. He was very chill of course. Me being the sexual Wolfe I am wanted to tease. He stayed with me because his "dad" kicked him out. I let him stay that night at my place so he brought this girl he had met. Both started to go at it which I was like ok I can't sleep because they might steal something.. but the next morning everything was in place he had a lot of gratitude for me which he wanted to show by sucking my cock. I was so tempted but told him no it wasn't necessary. Eventually he got a job but wasn't ready to move out yet. He kept staying out late and calling me to pick him up and when he sounded like he was in trouble he was having a blast in reality. I didn't care for his friends. One day I told him he needed to maybe try find another job since he got fired because he didn't show up. He then proceeded to get naked and bend over.. I'm like bro that's not what I mean
. I'm not kicking you out but I do need you to pick yourself up again without offering sex for money or get that idea out of your head. I noticed I started getting very motherly around him which was driving him nuts and which is odd as I don't normally become that.
I later find out his "dad" was some creepy who had picked him up when he was 16 some trucker dude who used to have sex with him. This kid was fucked up and when I kicked him and his friends out he walked out with a look on his face of him not caring. He wasn't grateful for many things and he had a bad mentality.
Be careful bud don't get stuck with him.
 
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