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1. Polygamy
Mohammad Shafia had two wives named Rona Amir Mohammad and Tooba Yahya. But it seems they lied about this state of polygamy to the authorities who entering to live in Canada. It seems the parents didn't know or speak the language(s) of Canada.

2. Honour Killings
Mohammad Shafia and his son killed one of his wives and ALL of his three daughters because they brought dishonour to his name, Mohammad Shafia.

I feel aggrieved because this man was accepted into my country before spurning it for Canada.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/twisted-concept-of-honour-sisters-and-wife-murdered-20120130-1qoj7.html
 
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I feel aggrieved
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Well get over it.

They were tried and convicted. Canadian justice took care of them.

It shouldn't mean fuck all to you just because they happened to pass through OZ.
 
The Canadian taxpayers have to feed and clothe and toilet these individuals for a long time to come.

I wonder if they'll bother to learn the language of the people who are feeding, clothing and toileting them for all those years to come?
 
The point to be made here is there is one set of rules for everybody. "Honor Killings" cannot be condoned. Nor can polygamy in places that otherwise prohibit it.

If people think they can move to a new country and bring their own little system of justice with them, they need to learn otherwise and quickly.
 
^ Which Canada has done. Just as we made it clear that serial killing by military personnel is not acceptable either.

As for polygamy, check with the sisterwives in some Mormon communities to see how that is working out for them.

But this has nothing to do with any JUBBER feeling personally 'aggrieved' by the situation.
 
This is why you don't let just anyone into your country.

If you tell people that they must assimilate, you're called a racist.

If this would have happened in America, the neanderthal mother, father and son would be on death row. I'm sure this family would have thought about it twice before doing this crime, if they lived in America. Weak laws made with kindness in mind permit this kind of behavior.

Lastly, we have polygamous relationships here in America. Utah, Idaho, Montana and Northern Arizona condone and permit this filth. So, let's not act like it's an Afghan problem. The mormon cult has run amok in this part of the country.
 
Canada is an open and welcoming society. It is a nation built on the strengths of immigrants from many different cultures.

99.9999999999% of all of our new citizens are valuable, law abiding people who want a better life for themselves and their children.

Whether they are from Australia, Russia, or England, or Asia or the middle east or Mexico or the US, there will always be a percentage that will commit a violent crime.

The purpose of the justice system is to deal with this.

And we don't tolerate murder for any reason.

And we don't feel the need to add murder to murder in order to deal with our murderers. Because it isn't a deterrent and only demeans the value of all human life. It is just as medieval and absurd as Honour killings.

I think the point has been made.
 
What's the point of this thread? Are you putting down all practitioners of Islam because of the actions of a few people?

It appears Canada took care of it. What they did was wrong. People of all races, religions and cultures commit horrible crimes.

And all cultures are alien to you if they're not your culture.

Here's Susan Smith. She's the monster who murdered her two little boys. She blamed it on two imaginary black men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith

http://www.biography.com/people/susan-smith-235800

She was having an extra marital affair. Her biological father committed suicide. Her stepfather repeatedly molested her. He was the head of the local Christian Coalition and member of the Republican party.

What does it tell you about THAT culture?
 
CowboyBob said:
What's the point of this thread? Are you putting down all practitioners of Islam because of the actions of a few people?

It appears Canada took care of it. What they did was wrong. People of all races, religions and cultures commit horrible crimes.

And all cultures are alien to you if they're not your culture.

Here's Susan Smith. She's the monster who murdered her two little boys. She blamed it on two imaginary black men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith

http://www.biography.com/people/susan-smith-235800

She was having an extra marital affair. Her biological father committed suicide. Her stepfather repeatedly molested her. He was the head of the local Christian Coalition and member of the Republican party.

What does it tell you about THAT culture?
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I'm not sure it is religious. It's cultural even with Susan "White Trash" Smith. I'm trying to think of an "advanced" Muslim country and Turkey comes to mind. Unfortunately, they do honor killings too.

CWBob, it isn't a "few." There are tons of stories all over the net of honor killings happening in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and even Arizona. This Iraqi father in Phoenix ran over his daughter because she was becoming to "westernized."
 
Lostlover said:
I'm not sure it is religious. It's cultural even with Susan "White Trash" Smith. I'm trying to think of an "advanced" Muslim country and Turkey comes to mind. Unfortunately, they do honor killings too.
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Christians don't have honor killings?

http://www.project.nsearch.com/forum/topics/christians-have-honor-killings

Relation to homosexuality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

According to Dr. Shahrzad Mojab, a University of Toronto professor of women’s studies, followers of Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Christianity have used their religions as a rationale to commit honour killings.
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Religion is geographic. What religion you become depends on where you were born on the planet. Honor killings happen everywhere, no matter culture you are, no matter what religion you are.
 
Thought I would add that it may happen more with one culture than another, it doesn't justify the OP to criticize the entire culture..... or "alien culture" as he puts it..... on the actions of one family.
 
I would also remind the OP that when the whites first landed in OZ, their brutish customs and refusal to assimilate likely caused the same type of consternation among the aboriginals.
 
Dimwits think cultures they're not familiar with are alien. If dimwits were more perceptive, they'd realize that the habits of different cultures are completely comprehensible.

Even when the habits are deplorable.
 
pat grimshaw said:
The Canadian taxpayers have to feed and clothe and toilet these individuals for a long time to come.

I wonder if they'll bother to learn the language of the people who are feeding, clothing and toileting them for all those years to come?
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rareboy said:
I would also remind the OP that when the whites first landed in OZ, their brutish customs and refusal to assimilate likely caused the same type of consternation among the aboriginals.
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Kind of like the British and French did when they arrived in Canada. Same thing when the British arrived in India, South Africa, Australia and the USA. They assimilated nicely into the native cultures. :rolleyes:
 
Only thing I find unacceptable are honor [STRIKE]killings[/STRIKE] murders.

As for polygamy, it's as much an alien culture to us, as homosexuals having a loving relationship is alien to Evangelicals.
 
^ One wonders if LL and Grimshaw appreciate the irony.

Probably not. If one can demand an honour killing as retribution for an honour killing....then the notion of polygamy as a lesser evil than homo marriage in many people's eyes is likely a little too arcane.
 
^ I'm sure that if this is the only type of story you are looking for, we can expect to be treated to a whole series of them.

But you are conveniently overlooking the stories of non muslim murders, aren't you.

Jack edited out my comments in the first response to the OP.

I stand by them. And I hope the others here don't allow this poisonous and narrow viewpoint to go unchallenged.
 
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