Alien cultures

[TheFireGod]

This isn't Hot Topic though.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Honor killings in the American South were quite common up until the mid-twentieth century. Black men who were perceived to have done something to dishonor a white woman, like look at her the wrong way or whistle at her, etc, would be lynched.

That is absolutely true. But the thing is Americans no longer live in the 1950s, while some other cultures have not even reached the age of enlightenment (late 1700s, Rights of Man, etc) yet.

BTW, I notice most of the positive messages here come from Americans who live in places, like anywhere in the USA, where muslims of an intolerant kind have not yet taken over entire neighbourhoods. I assure you some people have different experiences. Belgium is one of the most progressive and gay-friendly countries in the world, but not in downtown Brussels. There, women in short skirts are regularly insulted and called whores. Gay men are beaten up. Gangs wait for gays to leave gay clubs and "teach them a lesson".

This is a country where gays born in the city flee to the tolerant athmosphere of the villages, not the other way around. Why? Because the catholic villagers live and let live. The holier-than-thou muslim zealots in Brussels don't. And that is a fact. Make sure this never happens in your country.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Honor killings in the American South were quite common up until the mid-twentieth century. Black men who were perceived to have done something to dishonor a white woman, like look at her the wrong way or whistle at her, etc, would be lynched.

No.

It would have been an honor killing when the family members of the victim lynch the her for alledgedly having been raped by the negro.

Afghan culture is that vile.

 

[rareboy]

Any culture that believes that women have no rights or autonomy is vile.

There are still regions in rural Catholic Italy, and South America where so called 'honour killings' occur yet as well.

Back to the thrust of the original post and this thread, though.

I think that Canada, because it is a secular society made up of a polyglot of cultures and races having to work together, is a difficult environment for any extremist, misogynist medieval religious or social practices to take hold. In fact, our guide to citizenship explicitly states a number of atavistic cultural practises that will not be tolerated.

In many respects, as sad as it was that these women were murdered, this was an excellent opportunity for the example to be set for people who come to Canada that there is no such thing as killing for honour. Murder is murder.

Including the 'honour' killing practise of capital punishment.

And hopefully this message will be heard around the world. And the men will come to an understanding that their women are not chattels. Or subservient or subordinate to them in any way.

 

[Telstra]

That is absolutely true. But the thing is Americans no longer live in the 1950s, while some other cultures have not even reached the age of enlightenment (late 1700s, Rights of Man, etc) yet.

BTW, I notice most of the positive messages here come from Americans who live in places, like anywhere in the USA, where muslims of an intolerant kind have not yet taken over entire neighbourhoods. I assure you some people have different experiences. Belgium is one of the most progressive and gay-friendly countries in the world, but not in downtown Brussels. There, women in short skirts are regularly insulted and called whores. Gay men are beaten up. Gangs wait for gays to leave gay clubs and "teach them a lesson".

This is a country where gays born in the city flee to the tolerant athmosphere of the villages, not the other way around. Why? Because the catholic villagers live and let live. The holier-than-thou muslim zealots in Brussels don't. And that is a fact. Make sure this never happens in your country.

This is not acceptable.
Ship all the extremist to Saudi Arabia to practice their life style.

 

[Lostlover]

That is absolutely true. But the thing is Americans no longer live in the 1950s, while some other cultures have not even reached the age of enlightenment (late 1700s, Rights of Man, etc) yet.

BTW, I notice most of the positive messages here come from Americans who live in places, like anywhere in the USA, where muslims of an intolerant kind have not yet taken over entire neighbourhoods. I assure you some people have different experiences. Belgium is one of the most progressive and gay-friendly countries in the world, but not in downtown Brussels. There, women in short skirts are regularly insulted and called whores. Gay men are beaten up. Gangs wait for gays to leave gay clubs and "teach them a lesson".

This is a country where gays born in the city flee to the tolerant athmosphere of the villages, not the other way around. Why? Because the catholic villagers live and let live. The holier-than-thou muslim zealots in Brussels don't. And that is a fact. Make sure this never happens in your country.

I'm not going to say what country I was in, but I definitely saw the type of people you are talking about that happened to be Muslim. I do know some Muslims here in the US, admittedly not well. The question is: how can two people that call themselves Muslim behave so differently? I'm going to chalk it up to culture and not religion.

The solution is to continue a highly selective immigration policy that seems to be in place. Muslims in the US do really well. Steve Jobs' father is a Muslim from Syria and the co-owner of eBay is an Iranian Muslim.

 

[Telstra]

I'm not going to say what country I was in, but I definitely saw the type of people you are talking about that happened to be Muslim. I do know some Muslims here in the US, admittedly not well. The question is: how can two people that call themselves Muslim behave so differently? I'm going to chalk it up to culture and not religion.

The solution is to continue a highly selective immigration policy that seems to be in place. Muslims in the US do really well. Steve Jobs' father is a Muslim from Syria and the co-owner of eBay is an Iranian Muslim.

Islam is both culture and religion.
The full burka thing was used for sand storm in the desert before the religion was born but now it is part of religious symbol. There are no sand storms in other countries but they still using it for no reason or just to annoy the host countries.

 

[rareboy]

I'm not going to say what country I was in, but I definitely saw the type of people you are talking about that happened to be Muslim. I do know some Muslims here in the US, admittedly not well. The question is: how can two people that call themselves Muslim behave so differently? I'm going to chalk it up to culture and not religion.

The solution is to continue a highly selective immigration policy that seems to be in place. Muslims in the US do really well. Steve Jobs' father is a Muslim from Syria and the co-owner of eBay is an Iranian Muslim.

Ask the same thing of Christians.

You know.

The ones who want to make homosexuality a capital crime versus the cafeteria Catholics who pick and choose what they want to believe.

It is all about tribal culture, not religion.

In addition to Christians I actually do know many Muslims. And Hindus. And Bhuddists. And Atheists. Very well.

And the muslim family I know from Afghanistan are horrified at what the people who are the subject of this thread did.

To smear an entire culture or religion because of the actions of the very few is disgusting.

It is like saying that Homosexuals are responsible for AIDS or that all homosexuals are pedophiles.

Statements born of ignorance and phobias.

 

[Lostlover]

Islam is both culture and religion.
The full burka thing was used for sand storm in the desert before the religion was born but now it is part of religious symbol. There are no sand storms in other countries but they still using it for no reason or just to annoy the host countries.

I don't remember any American born Muslims doing this honor killing, just immigrants nationalized. It definitely is a cultural thing.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

To smear an entire culture or religion because of the actions of the very few is disgusting.

Those who commit these actions are not so very few, and the rest of the culture do very little to prevent these crimes or even voice their approval.

 

[Kulindahr]

Those who commit these actions are not so very few, and the rest of the culture do very little to prevent these crimes or even voice their approval.

I suspect they don't want to be the next targets.

 

[CowboyBob]

That is absolutely true. But the thing is Americans no longer live in the 1950s, while some other cultures have not even reached the age of enlightenment (late 1700s, Rights of Man, etc) yet.

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Oh yes some do.

I can name 20 or so people right now who live in the 1950's... with their values and beliefs. Some even back to the Victorian era.

Even take a look at the conservatives in the republican party. They want to regress back to where women and minorities are secons class citizens. When they say "Let's Take America Back" they mean the rich wealthy heterosexual christian men. Period.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Those who commit these actions are not so very few, and the rest of the culture do very little to prevent these crimes or even voice their approval.

It is forbidden. Civilised people have free speech and the 'occupy movement'. Uncivilised people shoot each other.

Click on this link for an interactive map of the mayhem in my city over the last 3 months
http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?m...01587&spn=0.387755,0.575409&z=10&source=embed

January 1 - Matthew Hedges, a 25-year-old father of four, was shot dead in the chest while two of his children slept beside him at a Chester Hill home.
December 5 - A father and his teenage son escaped injury after a shot was fired into a house in Mount Pritchard.
November 26 - Shots fired on Charles Street, Petersham.
November 25 - Shots fired at house on Kingarth Street, Busby.
November 24 - Shots fired at house on Nash Street, South Penrith.
November 24 - Shots fired at business on Cleveland and Walker Streets, Redfern.
November 10 - Shots fired at house on Nineveh Crescent, Greenfield Park.
November 6 - Shots fired at house on Stevens Street, Ermington.
October 27 - November 3 - There are six drive-by shootings across Sydney's west, believed to involve the Hells Angels and Nomads gangs.
October 21 - Man dies after he was shot in the head inside a house in French Street, Maroubra.
October 18 - Shots fired at a house on Walker Street, Turrella.
October 3 - Man charged after allegedly shooting at another man on Pickwick Way, Ambarvale.
September 30 - Man charged after an alleged drive-by shooting on Victoria Street, Botany.
September 29 - Police officers shot and killed man outside Castle Hill police station.
September 26 - Teenager shot by police in his home in Holmes Street, Colyton, following reported break-in.
September 26 - Man charged with murder following shooting death of man at Bonnyrigg the day before.
September 6 - Shots fired at a house in Revesby in south-west Sydney.
September 6 - Shots fired at a unit in Eden Street, Arncliffe.
September 5 - Man found in Bursill Street, Guildford, with a shotgun wound to his upper thigh.
August 30 - Up to a dozen shots fired between two cars in Greenacre.
August 25 - Bullet holes found in a car on Lackey Street, Merrylands.
August 24 - Bullets hit a house on Francis Street, Fairfield.
August 22 - Pizza shop hit on Merrylands Road, Merrylands.
August 22 - Two men shot in Barcom Street, Merrylands, in domestic dispute.
August 23 - Bullets hit a house on Lachlan Street, Bossley Park.
August 21 - Bullets hit a house on Eddy Street, Merrylands West.
August 20 - Bullets hit a hairdressing salon on Harris Street, Fairfield.
August 19 - Bullets hit a house on Mallacoota Street, Wakeley, near Fairfield.
(this data is from the Sydney Morning's Herald, 10 January 2012. The shootings are still contnuing)

 

[rareboy]

Mods, can we lock this thread please?

This list is just bullshit. It looks like the call sheet in any American city and has nothing whatsoever to do with the OP or the topic of this thread.

This is just trolling and baiting. It has nothing to do with the original premise of the thread.

Enough is enough.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^ The original premise of this thread is that the people like us who value free speech and civilised behaviour are accepting people with an alien culture of forbidding free speech and practising uncivilised behaviour.

 

[rareboy]

And your last post has fuck all to do with this premise.

 

[jackoroe]

If anybody is breaking the law, they need to be punished. If alien cultures wish to come to your country and reject your laws and instead behave in a manner acceptable only in their homelands, send them back or jail them. I don't think it useful to paint all who come to your respective countries with such broad brushes.

I think we're about done here. Thread closed