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With all this dont ask, dont tell stuff going on..seeing top gay fighter pilots, generals, getting sacked for being gay. I figured, who needs the rest of these guys? Why not make a totally gay town/city.

We are probably the most creative people on this world and we can be an example to the rest of the world.
 
I agree with Matter of Splatter, I don't think self-segregation is not the way to go.

If the community fails, no one will assist, and if it succeeds, it will garner resentment and hatred (even more so). It's a no-win situation.
 
But you can see anything negatively if you choose to. It's not self-segregation unless you want it to be.(its not like you can't go anywhere else) We already have gay areas in cities, so what would be a problem with a whole city/town that was gay/bi?
 
I'd love to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. As a way of life it would feel like being part of a cult I think.

I'd rather go to something like a big gay camp-out or the gay games or something, but not have to live every day like an ultra-orthodox settler in occupied lands.
 
The Castro in San Francisco is that way, if you want it to be . . . fun to visit, but it reminded me that I'm an assimilationist at heart.

Segregating makes it all seem exotic, whereas it really should be "oh, there's a gay couple next door, let's get the neighbors together and take them a welcome cake."
 
The best way to gain acceptance is to negate all the negative stereotypes there are about our community already. By locking ourselves up in a closet the size of a city, we're doing ourselves an injustice, but even worse, doing an injustice of all the homosexuals of future generations. There will be even more self-hate on their part, as well as create even more a separatist stigma attached to our orientations.
 
I think its because people think that when there is variety, then there is hope for so many things, but usually there just isn't. You have to be a certain kind of person, its not whats around you.

Just think of the popular fantasies we gays have.(ie the straight guy) We think if we are around them, then maybe we have a shot. Yet logically we know if a person is actually straight (not lying, not in denial, not bi), its just not true or possible. So this is the same thing. We want to be around people that we feel need to accept us in some way.

It's not just a gay problem. It's a society problem. Too many people think everything is possible because they have so much variety around them but that means nothing.

But everyone has accepted me, all my friends, family, so I don't feel this would be an idea to get away from haters..more of an idea for "ease"...dating would be a whole heck of a lot easier.
 
bayern20 said:
It's not just a gay problem. It's a society problem. Too many people think everything is possible because they have so much variety around them but that means nothing.
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i have no fucking idea what youre talking about but im fairly certain i disagree.

as for "gay town"... i think in reality it would be a bad idea for the reasons already stated. as a pure fantasy, a independant "gay country" would be nice, though. a haven for all the persecuted gay people of the world. a little bit like israel for jews. im saying, just as a fantasy.
 
x-cess said:
i have no fucking idea what youre talking about but im fairly certain i disagree.
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Yeah sorry, I'm mainly talking about urbanization and its principles and correlating it to why people wouldn't want to be "segregated".

The idea of urbanization became popular for reasons of efficiency, financially and otherwise. But also because the idea that great opportunities would be available. Pack people together in one area instead of being dispersed and include all the things they could possibly want in that smaller area. It's more efficient and it cuts on cost. People also like the idea that you can move into a big city where you had everything. You had good universities, good services, good bars, good restaurants, more people = better social opportunities, a bigger variety of people...basically, the best of everything, and a variety.

What I'm suggesting is that we have been fed this because it is more efficient but its mostly just a fantasy and dream. Because to truly take advantage of this DREAM, and I find it only a dream, not only do you have to be a certain kind of person/personality, you also have to give up a lot. So its not for everyone. The possibilities SEEM endless for most of us that live in bigger cities but its quiet clear that for many people who have specific and certain goals...a situation where they could be around people similar to them would be a much better thing..it would improve their quality of life. ie Specific towns/cities, for specific type of people, is not a bad idea.
 
It may be a fantasy and it may not be practical; but if we look to history, people who are culturally distinct in some way; or who share an ideology, have formed successful communities representing differentiated visions of what life should be. Take the Amish, for example. I could see a gay commune taking root somewhere and thriving for generations, if they've got something else besides their gayness as the social glue to hold them together.

It's an interesting thought experiment. The social "melting pot" that most of us live in is a nice and workable idea. Perhaps, the best yet. But it need not be the only viable option for human culture.

It might not be a bad idea to maintain the separateness of some historically isolated and distinct cultures (on remote islands, for instance) in case the rest of this shindig collapses or destroys itself.
 
^I would agree that gay ghettos are probably not the optimal social models. But how does the absence of straights = hell? That would suggest that the presence of straights = heaven?
 
Let the gay mafia patrol the gay ghetto (!)
 
HoodedRat said:
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If there were no 'straights' who would we have sex with? After all, everyone knows that gay men only fancy 'straight' guys. :lol:
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Honestly, i would bet that's the top reason. That is the "diversity" people are talking about because is there no diversity with gay people? are all gay people the same? This would just make it easier for dating etc

But the reason is this fantasy. You have to have a straight neighbor because we are mentally f-ed up to believe that they want to have sex with us. So its better to live that dream then not have it at all.
 
I can see this viewed by others in society as a welcome "good riddance" to gays.
Why GIVE them what they so badly want?
 
frankfrank said:
It's uniformity - or the absence of a cross section of humanity - which = hell.
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its only sexual orientation. there is a huge diversity of people in the gay population.

that's like saying, if there were only straight people, there would be no "diversity". well thats not really true because there is all kinds of straight people.
 
So you guys who bring up diversity are only reffering to sexual orientation diversity. I mean we are a minority in every single city, in every single country, by a large large mile. Our quality of life could be so much better if we weren't a minority like that.
 
I wonder what all these folks blithely chanting the "I prefer diversity" mantra think about the unique, distinct, and elegantly articulated cultures that exist in isolated pockets of the world precisely because they have developed in and remain in relative isolation.

Diversity and interconnectedness has many benefits, not the least of which is a certain dynamism and unpredictability.

However; diversity does tend to produce, over time, a certain watered down blandness as distinct groups dumb down and "neutralize" their cultural uniqueness to fit in with everybody else.

Japanese culture, for instance, lacks much of the ethnic diversity that most of us are used to; but that's part of what makes it so interesting.

Nothing in this life is free. If you want something, you have to give up something else.

This is part of why I hope the "gay ghettos" retain their identities and don't turn into sleepy, boring, getrified, yuppie villages of the sort that have proliferated in recent years.

But that may be hoping for too much.
 
It already exists. It is called the Vatican.

And look how that turned out.
 
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