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Allegedly, Obama is Abandoning White Middle Class Voters

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If this is true --> WOW.

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/the-future-of-the-obama-coalition/

I'm so sick and tired of being sick and tired of voting for people because I dislike the others' policies. Disgusting. President Obama hasn't cracked down on those responsible for the financial crisis and is now, supposedly, willing to ditch a good part of the democratic base.

I wish I was one of those people that didn't give a damn about politics. Life would be so much easier.
 
Lostlover said:
If this is true --> WOW.

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/the-future-of-the-obama-coalition/

I'm so sick and tired of being sick and tired of voting for people because I dislike the others' policies. Disgusting. President Obama hasn't cracked down on those responsible for the financial crisis and is now, supposedly, willing to ditch a good part of the democratic base.

I wish I was one of those people that didn't give a damn about politics. Life would be so much easier.
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Obama has turned his back on just about all of his base,including white,middle aged voters..

Now that it's campaining time again,he'll give his usual rhetoric delivered in his fake preachers cadence..Fool me once,shame on you..Fool me twice,shame on me...Or,as Bush would say ''ain't gonna get fooled again.''

I live in Utah now.Outside of Salt Lake,the state is gonna go for whatever psycho the GOP nominates.I just transferred my license over and registered with the Green Party.It only took me about 25 years,but I'm done with corporate owned democrats too..
 
I honestly don't think he likes being president. I was kind of shocked at some of the things he said about Americans recently.

One of the greatest problems with our system is that it really discourages people who could do a good job from getting into the race. We're just left with less than satisfactory choices.
 
Just to note a technical distinction between "middle class" and "working class." Those terms usually mean "doing okay" and "just scraping by." Also "Working class" can also be a polite way of saying out-and-out poor.

So, abandoning the working class is not the same as abandoning the middle class.

Is it a good idea? If reaching out to working-class white voters means changing their minds and getting them to vote for things that will actually improve their lives (health care, taxing billionaires...) then yes of course they should reach out.

But sometimes "reaching out" is a code for "do some of the foolish things they want in an effort to get a few votes." My sense is that a lot of what white, working-class people want for the country is against their own interests, and against the country's. In that case, by all means please ignore them. Contain them even.
 
Well, it is getting to be campaign time... You will hear all kinds of rhetoric bandied about on all of the candidates.

I'm getting to a point where I just think we need to make sure no encumbant gets re-elected. But, then again, look at what's happened with all the new congressional members: Nothing has gotten done.

Perhaps if the Dems become the majority in both houses and Obama gets re-elected, perhaps they'll not make the same mistake they made from 2008 - 2010 and actually get something done.
 
Why should he be any different than the GOP?

Everyone has abandoned everybody.

There is no one who feels well represented by anyone.

This is a deadly dangerous vacuum.
 
I don't buy any of the garbage in that story. Allegedly... that word alone usually means no hard proof. So until we hear a named source then I'll call B.S.

That particular class of folks is the core of what the Democratic Party stands for.
 
jackoroe said:
I honestly don't think he likes being president. I was kind of shocked at some of the things he said about Americans recently.

One of the greatest problems with our system is that it really discourages people who could do a good job from getting into the race. We're just left with less than satisfactory choices.
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Like the lie that Obama called Americans "lazy"?
 
Seems like 2012 is shaping up as a classic lose lose situation

Paralyzed over his skis talk too much about stupid stuff not at all about important stuff Pres Obama

Who by any measure would be shown the door and not rewarded for a job not done

Or spineless positionless who do u want me to be Mitt

Yech

And the worthless excuses for public servants in the house and senate - with a few exceptions .......

Provide no relief

Other than that things r grand
 
Knucklehead said:
I live in Utah now.Outside of Salt Lake,the state is gonna go for whatever psycho the GOP nominates.
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In 1992, Utah was the only other state in which Ross Perot finished as No. 2. (The other one was Maine, which was a Democratic pickup for Bill Clinton as Utah held on for unseated George Bush.)

George W. Bush carried Utah by over 45 points in 2004.

In 2008, John McCain held it by about 28 points.

Utah can only be won by a Democratic presidential candidate if that individual is elected with, say, 60% of the U.S. Popular Vote. (Even then, it's doubtful.)

So, going Green is fine.
 
From the article:

The 2012 approach treats white voters without college degrees as an unattainable cohort. The Democratic goal with these voters is to keep Republican winning margins to manageable levels, in the 12 to 15 percent range, as opposed to the 30-point margin of 2010 — a level at which even solid wins among minorities and other constituencies are not enough to produce Democratic victories.
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I haven't read much of the article; but I'm thinking it's not revelatory as Lostlover seems to think.

Comparing 2010 is misleading because you can see a good 31% to 40% of the electorate, from a presidential just two years earlier, not participate in voting for the congressional midterm elections. In my home state of Michigan, over 5 million votes were cast in the presidential election of 2008; two years later, 3 million participated for the 2010 midterms.

From Chuck Todd's and Sheldon Gawiser's How Barack Obama Won: A State-by-State Guide to the Historic 2008 Presidential Election, is exit polling info on that 2008 presidential. Worth reviewing:

WHITE VOTERS, NO COLLEGE DEGREE
2004 (34): George W. Bush (R), 61% | John Kerry (D), 38%
2008 (39): John McCain (R), 58% | Barack Obama (D), 40%

WHITE VOTERS, COLLEGE DEGREE
2004 (43): George W. Bush (R), 55% | John Kerry (D), 44%
2008 (35): John McCain (R), 51% | Barack Obama (D), 47%

WHITE VOTERS, BY GENDER
2004 Males (36): George W. Bush (R), 62% | John Kerry (D), 37%
2004 Females (41): George W. Bush (R), 55% | John Kerry (D), 44%
2008 Males (36): John McCain (R), 57% | Barack Obama (D), 41%
2008 Females (39): John McCain (R), 53% | Barack Obama (D), 46%


PRESIDENTIAL VOTE
2004: *George W. Bush (R), 50.73% (286) | John Kerry (D), 48.27% (251/252)
2008: John McCain (R), 45.66% (173) | *Barack Obama (D), 52.92% (365)



What is important to note is that "White Voters, No College Degree" overperform how Republicans fare nationally. But not only that, whites (generally) overperform with how the GOP fares nationally.

(Also noteworthy: Whites are in decline. Now, it's no mystery why Republican leaders in states are aiming to suppress the vote.)

This stuff really doesn't escape that common thread that ties all demographics: shifts.

Voting shifts.
 
jackoroe said:
I honestly don't think he likes being president. I was kind of shocked at some of the things he said about Americans recently.

One of the greatest problems with our system is that it really discourages people who could do a good job from getting into the race. We're just left with less than satisfactory choices.
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I don't think he likes being President either.

However, I do think he likes campaigning. His leadership style so far has been campaigning (if I may call that a style) -- it's like he doesn't know what to do now that he has the job.
 
Knucklehead said:
Obama has turned his back on just about all of his base,including white,middle aged voters..

Now that it's campaining time again,he'll give his usual rhetoric delivered in his fake preachers cadence..Fool me once,shame on you..Fool me twice,shame on me...Or,as Bush would say ''ain't gonna get fooled again.''

I live in Utah now.Outside of Salt Lake,the state is gonna go for whatever psycho the GOP nominates.I just transferred my license over and registered with the Green Party.It only took me about 25 years,but I'm done with corporate owned democrats too..
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I think this is what I'm going to do. I don't feel right calling myself a Democrat and voting for the Democrats when I feel disgusted by what they have become: Republican Lite.

They've committed many illiberal policies: supporting big banks, pushing a watered-down health care bill, passively supporting gay rights and more.

I'm officially Green. I'm heading up north where hopefully I can do something about the party I chose as mine. Green here we come.

The Arizona Greens are never going to win. However, I won't be giving a party that's is moving to the right my vote. My vote isn't cheap.
 
Well he was in Scranton, Pa. Wednesday with all those white, middle class voters he is abandoning... LOL. Seems to really blow a hole in this so called strategy right there.

I may not be totally happy with Obama on everything, but I'll be damned if I sit and home and give the Republicans a glimmer of hope to win in 2012.

I also care about the Supreme Court and I'd care to have a Democratic President making those appointments.
 
I think that the supreme court nominations have to be one of the guiding reasons for voting in 2012.

The court has already been loaded with conservative religious judges...one or two more and the Supreme Court end up looking like a bunch of Ayatollahs.
 
Jack Springer said:
I don't think he likes being President either.

However, I do think he likes campaigning. His leadership style so far has been campaigning (if I may call that a style) -- it's like he doesn't know what to do now that he has the job.
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I agree Jack. I think his true passion is fund-raising. I think it means everything to him to get dressed up and go out at night with the hopes of being around people who are perceived to be highly accomplished. I think he likes the campaigning portion as well, and I think he's great at it.

However, it's like a salesperson who has no real product. He gets the deal closed, but then can't deliver/execute. It's the reason why companies have salespeople who go out and sell, but then have a competent manager behind the scenes that delivers the customer promise.
 
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