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American imperialism and why so many around the world hate us

The OP started a discussion about American imperialism and America's foreign policy in Israel is an example of this American imperialism. The OP asked why America is hated in the world and I provided my opinion.

The USA is throwing their weight around in Israel as the Jews in powerful positions in America and in Israel have the USA government support to push their anti Arab agenda.

I am not American, and I see America very differently than how the USA sees their country. As a Canadian and a foreigner, I don't place the USA on some pedestal.

The USA has done a lot of damage in this world, but you won't be watching the mainstream American media criticize the USA policy on Israel on the six o clock news.

So when people get blown up in Boston or NYC or any other part of America by terrorists don't be crying to the rest of the world about why America is hated. Read a history text book, and learn about how much damage America has caused in this world.

I love how this coming from someone who reaps the benefits from being a British North American Colonial subject of "Betty Montbatten." American Imperialism, indeed.

News Flash, bud...If anything, Britain caused the "Holy Land" mess by jining up worldwide Zionists and deeding the land to create a "Jewish State" instead of the US and the UK opening up their borders to the escaping Jewish refugees of Europe. By using the "convenient opportunity" of WWII and the Holocaust, they were able to create the ultimate "divide and conquer" situation and gain a beholden and grateful steadfast ally in Israel...at the same time solidify their strangle hold (at the time) on Palestine, Egypt and Jordan.

The United Kingdom had the science of Worldwide imperialism down to a "T." The partition of the Sub-Continent, the original Afghan war (120 years ago) and the scramble for Africa, to name a few.

If anything the US is cleaning up after the "legacy of the British Raj" which technically you're still under through both the Crown and Commonwealth. Therefore:

Ο αναμάρτητος υμών πρώτος, βαλέτω τήν λίθον.
(He who is without sin, cast the first stone.)
 
I love how this coming from someone who reaps the benefits from being a British North American Colonial subject of "Betty Montbatten." American Imperialism, indeed.

I cannot understand how people insult nations and people of those nations on the basis of what happened by people who aren't them, in the past. It's ridiculous. It's like insulting all Germans for WWII.. okay, that does happen still.. crazy

I really hope this thread is locked before people start saying things they'll regret.
 
I love how this coming from someone who reaps the benefits from being a British North American Colonial subject of "Betty Montbatten." American Imperialism, indeed.

News Flash, bud...If anything, Britain caused the "Holy Land" mess by jining up worldwide Zionists and deeding the land to create a "Jewish State" instead of the US and the UK opening up their borders to the escaping Jewish refugees of Europe. By using the "convenient opportunity" of WWII and the Holocaust, they were able to create the ultimate "divide and conquer" situation and gain a beholden and grateful steadfast ally in Israel...at the same time solidify their strangle hold (at the time) on Palestine, Egypt and Jordan.

The United Kingdom had the science of Worldwide imperialism down to a "T." The partition of the Sub-Continent, the original Afghan war (120 years ago) and the scramble for Africa, to name a few.

If anything the US is cleaning up after the "legacy of the British Raj" which technically you're still under through both the Crown and Commonwealth. Therefore:

Ο αναμάρτητος υμών πρώτος, βαλέτω τήν λίθον.
(He who is without sin, cast the first stone.)

Canada is an independent country from the United Kingdom Canada shapes its own foreign policy which is distinct from the UK.

Canada has nothing to do with the UK invading Africa or Asia or other parts of the world.

Canada is a peace keeping nation we aren't invading other countries like the USA or the UK and blowing people up. Killing innocent people and murdering children is something the USA specializes in.


Yes, Canada is part of the Commonwealth but the Queen of England is simply a symbol that is it she has no political power in Canada.
Also, many Canadians resent the whole monarchy system because it is obsolete.
 
Canada is an independent country from the United Kingdom Canada shapes its own foreign policy which is distinct from the UK.

Canada has nothing to do with the UK invading Africa or Asia or other parts of the world.

Canada is a peace keeping nation we aren't invading other countries like the USA or the UK and blowing people up. Killing innocent people and murdering children is something the USA specializes in.


Yes, Canada is part of the Commonwealth but the Queen of England is simply a symbol that is it she has no political power in Canada.
Also, many Canadians resent the whole monarchy system because it is obsolete.

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So Canada participating in the Gulf war in the early 90s and the NATO intervention in the Libyan civil war was what, just a game of pickup sticks?
 
Canada is an independent country from the United Kingdom Canada shapes its own foreign policy which is distinct from the UK.

Canada has nothing to do with the UK invading Africa or Asia or other parts of the world.

Canada is a peace keeping nation we aren't invading other countries like the USA or the UK and blowing people up. Killing innocent people and murdering children is something the USA specializes in.


Yes, Canada is part of the Commonwealth but the Queen of England is simply a symbol that is it she has no political power in Canada.
Also, many Canadians resent the whole monarchy system because it is obsolete.
yes we americans love nothing more then to blow up innocent people and children. how else would we conduct out blood rites to the devil in exchange for giving africa an aids epidemic?
if you have no enemies, its probably cuz youre not that important...
and if you have enemies, you fight them.
in my opinion, a lot of our (americas) trouble with war is due to us beating around the bush, trying to NOT kill "innocents" (i prefer to use the word civilians, even a 10 year old helping his dad farm is producing some GDP and thus aiding the countries government to a limited extent). for quite a long time it was known that the fastest way to siege a city with minimal losses on your own side is to torch the farms and poison the wells. torching things has gotten a lot easier with missles... but we show significant restraint in not simply sterilizing that speck of desert known as iran by carpeting it with warheads.

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So Canada participating in the Gulf war in the early 90s and the NATO intervention in the Libyan civil war was what, just a game of pickup sticks?
 
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So Canada participating in the Gulf war in the early 90s and the NATO intervention in the Libyan civil war was what, just a game of pickup sticks?

The USA and the UK were the driving forces behind those wars not Canada. Canada has made some mistakes but the problem is the conservative government here in Canada. Many Canadians are against getting involved in international wars. Former Canasdian Prime Minister Jean Chretien didn't invade Iraq he was against that. In terms of wars for the most part Canada stays out of it like we should. Look at Syria the government there is killing thousands of people but Canada isn't getting involved not our problem.
 
And let's not forget the Babylonians, and the Assyrians, and the Egyptians, and the Romans, and the Mongols, and the Turks, and the Anglo Saxons, and the Normans, and the Spanish, and the Dutch and the Germans, and the Japanese, and, and, and... it's all history folks and the way the world has worked and functioned since we arrived on the evolutionary scene.

And after America, and Israel, and Canada, and Australia and etc. etc. etc. are no more, there'll be new nations and empires stompin' 'round the globe flexin' their military and cultural muscles.

"Those who fail to learn their history, are doomed to repeat it!"

Hopefully, for all our sakes, our current leaders and governments have learned from history and don't react like "Dubya" and muster up a new Terrorist Crusade a la IRAQ 2003, looking for fantom WMDs.

We also have to, as a global nation, not take Pyongyang's bait to have a causus belli for WWIII and overreact to a "Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo" type of attack. Full decades-long wars have begun over less.
 
The more I think about it, the more I feel bad for the rest of the world. We cry foul every time an act of terrorism occurs. But if you think about it, not many Americans die in terrorist attacks. The last big one was 9/11 when 3k Americans lost their lives. The subsequent invasions that resulted from that day have killed hundreds of thousands of Afghans and Iraqis. Why? Because terrorists don't have unlimited resources on their side the way the American armed forces do.

And there are little consequences for Americans going on killing sprees. I am convinced that the famous ones that managed to make it to day light and court martials are only the tip of the ice berg. Think of all the killings of innocent civilians by American soldiers that went unreported.

I don't think they hate us for our freedom. I think they hate us because we keep meddling in the affairs of others, and it's their families that pay the ultimate price.

Thousands and thousands of people die in unstable parts of Africa everyday. If America really is the world's policeman, why aren't we over there stabilizing that continent?

Who hates the USA?
At first glance, my answer would be mainly the talibans, extreme salafists, or groups of people from places where US interventions have been felt as forceful imperialism sometimes not even caring to disguise as something else... that's probably not an exhaustive list but that's what first comes to my mind right now. The rest of the world may criticize of mock/belittle the US but this is not hatred.

Religion: Salafists, not unlike some extreme Christian or other religious systems' sects believe religion and obedience to the religious rules is at the core of human life, not only at an individual (choice) level but as a whole system (Sharia). Their beliefs provide a set of rules that must be obeyed by everyone for it to work (otherwise human nature will prevent it from working, that's what happened to experiments at "Communism").
You're right that they don't hate the US for the US freedom' per se, but they hate the US for promoting it's lifestyle, hence giving ideas to people they rule over (or try to) and endangering their privileges in a cultural environment where they are on top (i.e. over women, people who are not extreme in their religious beliefs etc), whether this is actually because of real beliefs or for the love of control and power.

Imperialism: beautifully exemplified in a post above (see post #6), as it benefited from historical and geopolitical factors that allowed for the US to reach the highest (as in economical and military power/influence) rank in the world where previous powers declined, the US started vampirizing other parts of the world off their natural resources for its own benefit and interest, depriving those places of their chance/rights to develop as they saw fit (preventing these people from exercising their natural right to chose their own destinies by manipulating/corrupting these countries' politics to ensure protection of US interests), mind you this is no different from what European colonial powers did before, and what most new powers would do if there were some to arise (China in Africa)... but as the one remaining world power in place, it catches all the light and (rightful) critics for these ongoing policies.

Obviously not everything the US government does is bad or ill meant, I believe it is obvious to any non-USAmerican discussing US politics and people... or domestic matters actually: in their own countries when discussing politics people will usually discuss what is bad or wrong or should be bettered, not what works... yet in the US I always feel that people are touchy to the extreme where the slightest critic will be met with a wall of defensiveness and patriotic rhetorics unrelated to the actual topics discussed... as if criticizing a given/specific aspect of US politics/culture/lifestyle/whatever hid a vicious and global hatred of the USA.

Not everyone is THAT manichean (a trait of character often attributed to USAmericans by the way)... let's give people (nationals or foreigners alike) credit in their ability to be vocal about the wrong while acknowledging the good (even if unspoken-ly so).

Also please give non-USAmericans a break: their thoughts/critics of USAmerica has ZERO influence on the latter, while USAmerica's politics DOES influence the rest of the world, this is something untravelled USAmericans seem not to realize (understandably so, since they experiment no influence from foreign cultures themselves...)

My two cents as a "foreigner".
 
in my opinion, a lot of our (americas) trouble with war is due to us beating around the bush, trying to NOT kill "innocents" (i prefer to use the word civilians, even a 10 year old helping his dad farm is producing some GDP and thus aiding the countries government to a limited extent).

So, in summary, even 10 year olds being obliged to assist with feeding their families and their neighbours on some crappy farm in the middle of the small county of Bumfuck, Nowhere, are fair game in a wave of carpet bombing?

Gosh.

I understand some eggs need breaking to make the proverbial omelette, but yowsers... this is a tough sell, even to me.

-d-
 
because as horrible as this may sound, the job of the american government is to protect american citizens, and american interests; not waste american money on others. any 'policing' done is to ensure stability in regions of interest to america. the middle east is important because of petroleum. the minute there is no more, you bet your ass the government (and myself) will no longer give half a **** about iraq/iran/afghanistan.
if somalians want a stable country, they need to make it a stable country. stop raping 8 year olds thinking it will cure aids, stop having kids by the litter, etc. its quite frankly none of my concern what the quality of life there is. i was not consulted or involved in the process that made it the way it is, and dont want to clean up somebody elses mess (or pay to have it cleaned up).
100% agree
 
We (America) should leave you all alone and then watch the horrific killings and wars because we're not there to help. Then the world would be begging us good guys for help.
 
Wow, I didn't know Jews were so evil. I will have to start looking at them differently now that you brought that up.

What can we do to stop them? :eek::eek:

Give me a break. The world does NOT hate us. Certain people do and I'm against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, but I'm not a terrorist apologist or a conspiracy theorist that thinks Israel and the US has an anti-Arab agenda.

Are people in that cesspool of Toronto really that gullible and closed minded?

There is indeed a bias in the American media that Israel can't be criticized but I commend Alice Walker and other American feminists for calling out Israel's racism.

You can't criticize the Jews in North America or else you are branded an anti semite, which is pathetic.

The Jews in America and Israel have caused a lot of damage to the minorities in Israel and that's a fact.

In Canada, there is an Israeli apatheid week on university campuses across the nation so people can speak out about the injustice and racism in Israel against Palestinians and other minorities in Israel.

And now people are trying to silence and end Israeli apartheid week which is unfair because the racism and the prejudice of the Jews needs to be exposed.
 
There is indeed a bias in the American media that Israel can't be criticized but I commend Alice Walker and other American feminists for calling out Israel's racism.

You can't criticize the Jews in North America or else you are branded an anti semite, which is pathetic.

The Jews in America and Israel have caused a lot of damage to the minorities in Israel and that's a fact.

In Canada, there is an Israeli apatheid week on university campuses across the nation so people can speak out about the injustice and racism in Israel against Palestinians and other minorities in Israel.

And now people are trying to silence and end Israeli apartheid week which is unfair because the racism and the prejudice of the Jews needs to be exposed.
yes. its all us greedy jew-goblins' fault. we live to impoverish christians and beat muslims.
 
There is indeed a bias in the American media that Israel can't be criticized but I commend Alice Walker and other American feminists for calling out Israel's racism.

You can't criticize the Jews in North America or else you are branded an anti semite, which is pathetic.

The Jews in America and Israel have caused a lot of damage to the minorities in Israel and that's a fact.

In Canada, there is an Israeli apatheid week on university campuses across the nation so people can speak out about the injustice and racism in Israel against Palestinians and other minorities in Israel.

And now people are trying to silence and end Israeli apartheid week which is unfair because the racism and the prejudice of the Jews needs to be exposed.

You need to find a new scapegoat for life's problems..... perhaps Yogi Bear might work?

'The Jews' opinions, as I can remember, vary per individual and there are many different ones out there. You sound like you're clumping them up into a group.... and then complaining about racism.... which is ironic because there's only one person in this thread posting racist views here....

How about racism in Canada and Toronto? When can my local University hold a Canada Apartheid Week?
 
We (America) should leave you all alone and then watch the horrific killings and wars because we're not there to help. Then the world would be begging us good guys for help.

Yeah, look, no offence here, dude, but there are like 196 countries on the planet and you guys are personally involved in about ?20 of them. That leaves 176 of them - including China and India, the 2 which make up more than 1/3 of the ENTIRE global population - which are NOT begging you "good guys" for help.

See? We're managing, thanks.

-d-
 
Yeah, look, no offence here, dude, but there are like 196 countries on the planet and you guys are personally involved in about ?20 of them. That leaves 176 of them - including China and India, the 2 which make up more than 1/3 of the ENTIRE global population - which are NOT begging you "good guys" for help.

See? We're managing, thanks.

-d-
Actually more than just 20 countries depend on U.S. for establishing geopolitical stability in the world. India is heavily reliant on U.S. military ties to balance China and Pakistan its biggest threats. And Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Australia and more countries in the region welcome U.S. presence to keep China in check. This is why Prince Obama the Nobel Laureate has shifted U.S. focus to the Pacific.
 
^It works both ways.

The US involvement in India, Japan, South Korea etc means they have allies and operational launchpads in close proximity to the Red Menace(s). One might easily infer that it is the US who needs India, Japan and South Korea.

In summary: swings and roundabouts.

-d-
 
^It works both ways.

The US involvement in India, Japan, South Korea etc means they have allies and operational launchpads in close proximity to the Red Menace(s). One might easily infer that it is the US who needs India, Japan and South Korea.

In summary: swings and roundabouts.

-d-

absolutely. thats how all alliances work - through mutual benefit. if either party thinks its at a loss, the alliance dissolves.
china makes a lot of americans nervous, we are too in debt to them and they have too much power over us. so we feel better knowing we have places near china that would side with us if it were us-or-them.
i dont think any of our involvement (which is a bit too heavy, i would preffer the government reroute some of the financing from maintaining global presence into education) is selfless peacekeeping. we happily back dictators and war criminals, so long as they are giving us what we want.
 
^It works both ways.

The US involvement in India, Japan, South Korea etc means they have allies and operational launchpads in close proximity to the Red Menace(s). One might easily infer that it is the US who needs India, Japan and South Korea.

In summary: swings and roundabouts.

-d-

WHich came first the security or the free trade... err I mean the chicken or the egg?
 
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