Americans millions of unemployed males.

[jbrown329]

Carrier moved jobs to Mexico. Walmart forces American companies to move their manufacturing overseas to low wage countries. Companies getting HB1 visas to bring in workers that work for less money (hello Microsoft). My "American" car (Ford) was manufactured in Mexico. Hershey moved to Mexico.

 

[Benvolio]

Obama counts as deported, persons stopped st the border. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

'Lies, damned lies, and Obama's immigration statistics". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/

 

[jbrown329]

Fine. Let's round all of them up and mow them down with machine guns. Then lay mine fields 12 miles wide along the entire border. Make the Coast Guard sink every boat and machine gun those in the water. Hell, just drop nukes in Central America. Make it a radioactive wasteland.

 

[PacificBeach]

Fine. Let's round all of them up and mow them down with machine guns. Then lay mine fields 12 miles wide along the entire border. Make the Coast Guard sink every boat and machine gun those in the water. Hell, just drop nukes in Central America. Make it a radioactive wasteland.

What all of these twats always refuse to address, answer, or even acknowledge, is that SOMEONE is providing illegal immigrants with jobs. Where is the Republican-faux conservative outrage over business owners giving jobs to someone they know has illegal documents?

As far as the twat that wanted those who have stopped looking for a job "counted" in unemployment, they already are under the U6 and other measurement tools. You know, those same tools we used under GW Bush, Reagan, Nixon, and Ford.

And lastly, the twat at the WSJ was so dishonest in his analysis of "non-working, men, from 26 to 54", only. He used employment RATIOS from 1965 of males from 26 to 54 and multiplied it by our total population gain, to get his "7 million under/unemployed" young males. How many of these young males compared to 1965 are getting advanced degrees, or became stay-at-home dads because their wives are the bread winners because this isn't 1965 anymore? Not to mention the advanced income we have as a country, and perhaps is pursuing a non-tradition job because they are working on writing their book, finishing their artwork, or other laudable goal?

 

[Telstra]

I want to go to America and live on its welfare system ...
I get everyone to pay $1, US population is 324 million therefore i get 324 million dollars

 

[jbrown329]

Who is Killing American Manufacturing?

In the week before Valentine’s Day, United Technologies expressed its love for its devoted Indiana employees, workers whose labor had kept the corporation profitable, by informing 2,100 of them at two facilities that it was shipping their factories, their jobs, their communities’ resources to Mexico.

A few workers shouted obscenities at the corporate official. Some walked out. Others openly wept as United Technologies shattered their hopes, their dreams, their means to pay middle-class mortgages.

Three days later, 1,336 workers at Philadelphia’s largest remaining manufacturer, Cardone, learned that company planned to throw them out too and build brake calipers in Mexico instead. Two weeks earlier, a Grand Rapids, Mich., company called Dematic did the same thing to its 300 workers.

No surprise. In the first decade of this century, America lost 56,190 factories, 15 a day.

http://www.industryweek.com/who-is-killing-manufacturing

Many Illegal Immigrants Have Jobs in U.S. Before Crossing Border

When Pedro Lopez Vazquez crossed illegally into the United States last week, he was not heading north to look for a job. He already had one.

His future employer even paid $1,000 for a smuggler to help Vazquez make his way from the central Mexican city of Puebla to Aspen, Colo.

"We're going to Colorado to work in carpentry because we have a friend who was going to give us a job," Vazquez said.

Vazquez, 41, was interviewed along the Arizona border after being deported twice by the U.S. Border Patrol. He said he would keep trying until he got to Aspen.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/0...s-have-jobs-in-us-before-crossing-border.html

How US Policies Fueled Mexico’s Great Migration

Impoverished by NAFTA, residents of Veracruz crossed the border to work in Smithfield’s Tar Heel slaughterhouse. Now, they're condemned as “illegals.”

Roberto Ortega tried to make a living slaughtering pigs in Veracruz, Mexico. “In my town, Las Choapas, after I killed a pig, I would cut it up to sell the meat,” he recalls. But in the late 1990s, after the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) opened up Mexican markets to massive pork imports from US companies like Smithfield Foods, Ortega and other small-scale butchers in Mexico were devastated by the drop in prices. “Whatever I could do to make money, I did,” Ortega explains. “But I could never make enough for us to survive.” In 1999 he came to the United States, where he again slaughtered pigs for a living. This time, though, he did it as a worker in the world’s largest pork slaughterhouse, in Tar Heel, North Carolina.

His new employer? Smithfield—the same company whose imports helped to drive small butchers like him out of business in Mexico.

https://www.thenation.com/article/how-us-policies-fueled-mexicos-great-migration/

 

[Benvolio]

What all of these twats always refuse to address, answer, or even acknowledge, is that SOMEONE is providing illegal immigrants with jobs. Where is the Republican-faux conservative outrage over business owners giving jobs to someone they know has illegal documents?

As far as the twat that wanted those who have stopped looking for a job "counted" in unemployment, they already are under the U6 and other measurement tools. You know, those same tools we used under GW Bush, Reagan, Nixon, and Ford.

And lastly, the twat at the WSJ was so dishonest in his analysis of "non-working, men, from 26 to 54", only. He used employment RATIOS from 1965 of males from 26 to 54 and multiplied it by our total population gain, to get his "7 million under/unemployed" young males. How many of these young males compared to 1965 are getting advanced degrees, or became stay-at-home dads because their wives are the bread winners because this isn't 1965 anymore? Not to mention the advanced income we have as a country, and perhaps is pursuing a non-tradition job because they are working on writing their book, finishing their artwork, or other laudable goal?

It is illegal to hire illegals. Why does not Obama enforce the law?

 

[rareboy]

Maybe Trump should start manufacturing all of his shit in the US?

 

[Benvolio]

It is illegal to hire illegals. Why does not Obama enforce the law?

Actually, Obama did levy a heavy fine against a company for asking the immigration status of illegals. Really. The democrats have made it illegal to discriminate against someone on national origin, and illegal to hire legals, but also illegal to ask them their immigrations status. As you keep telling us, companies hire illegals. So why is Obama vigorous in prosecuting companies who ask but allowing the illegal hiring to continue. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ihJWjwF0IYaRjfq4-WpJBg&bvm=bv.131783435,d.eWE

 

[kallipolis]

It is illegal to hire illegals. Why does not Obama enforce the law?

Why do employers continue to employ illegal immigrants?

Impose heavy fines and/or prison sentences on employers, who hire illegal employees...

 

[kallipolis]

Actually, Obama did levy a heavy fine against a company for asking the immigration status of illegals. Really. The democrats have made it illegal to discriminate against someone on national origin, and illegal to hire legals, but also illegal to ask them their immigrations status. As you keep telling us, companies hire illegals. So why is Obama vigorous in prosecuting companies who ask but allowing the illegal hiring to continue.

No green card, no social security registration...no offer of employment. It's that simple.

 

[Benvolio]

It is also illegal to discriminate based on citizenship, national origin, or immigration status, and those laws are enforced more than merely hiring illegal immigrants.

 

[Benvolio]

No green card, no social security registration...no offer of employment. It's that simple.

Asking for a green card assumes that they are foreign, and both they and social security can be forged. Asking is dangerous territory. See the company fined for asking in post 29.
Democrats don't want to stop hiring illegals--future democrats--they just want to hurt employers, whom the democrats regard as the enemy.

 

[kallipolis]

Asking for a green card assumes that they are foreign, and both they and social security can be forged. Asking is dangerous territory. See the company fined for asking in post 29.

There's always a cop out....

Obviously a wise employer will check the documentation, with the appropriate government department to ensure that it has not been forged.

 

[voltronforce]

Nativism has been a problem in this country since before the civil war when the Irish started coming here. Ever see the movie Gangs of New York? Back then there were no rules about immigrates, I wonder why, could it be because they were all white and Christian?

 

[voltronforce]

Are you some sort of Men's Rights person or Alt Right person or something? Dude if you are unemployed go to a community college and get a certificate or associates degree. This isn't the 1950s where a C average in high school with a diploma will get you a $50,000 a year job

 

[Kabluey]

It is also illegal to discriminate based on citizenship, national origin, or immigration status, and those laws are enforced more than merely hiring illegal immigrants.

You understand only half the rule.

You can't discriminate based on immigration status, and the people you employ must have proof of their right to work in the USA using one of several permissable documents.

 

[peeonme]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-16/whats-real-unemployment-rate-us

"

By my reckoning, roughly 60% of the civilian work force is fully employed and 40% are marginally employed (i.e. earning less than $15,000 annually) or unemployed. Since full-time workers even at minimum wage earn close to $15,000 annually, I think it is fair to use that as the cut-off for fully employed. The BLS counts 121 million people as usually work full-time, but given only 100 million workers earn $15,000 or more, this doesn't add up unless we include self-employed people earning very little who are counted as full-time workers.

"

The above link sheds some light on the real unemployment rate in the USA.

Both immigration and so called "free trade" have had an impact on the American worker, but, the dirty little secret is that it is INTENTIONAL!
Supply side economics was meant to thwart inflation, it was diametrically opposed to demand side or " Keynesian-economics
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-keynesian-economics.htm

The American worker has been intentionally assaulted and ripped off by his own government to prevent inflation, a simple definition of which is "too many dollars chasing too few goods".

The American worker had too much spending power or discretionary spending money, this resulted in the value of the dollar shrinking. This hurt the wealthy because they were the people with the most dollars. Most workers saw regular pay increases and "cola" or cost of living adjustments.

The demand for the worker was high because the demand for the goods that he produced was high, he was valuable and was paid well, he had money and wanted to purchase more, the demand for goods kept rising as did his pay. You see here a cycle, the loser was really the rich guy, he was always trying to find a hedge against inflation, gold was one of his favorites. I remember shipping
hundreds of South African Krugerrands out to people in the '70's.

Reagan came along with his answer, Supply side economics, which basically meant to put money in to the hands of the wealthy and take away the demand side by lowering the need for workers, hence the demand for goods and the need for workers, having an impact of lowering the workers true wages.

This coupled with globalization, which ironically has resulted in a move towards an equitable redistribution of poverty as opposed to the Marxist redistribution of wealth.

So, hell yes, the unemployment rate that we are fed is pure bull shit.

 

[Benvolio]

Nativism has been a problem in this country since before the civil war when the Irish started coming here. Ever see the movie Gangs of New York? Back then there were no rules about immigrates, I wonder why, could it be because they were all white and Christian?

Instead of name calling why not try to figure out hpw immigration effects the US and Americans. The frontier is closed we are not giving away free land. Our manufacturing base is drying up. This is not your beloved 1800s.
You misunderstand supply side economic. Democrats believe in high taxes to confiscate the wealth. But taxes take money out of the economy. In a free enterprise economy, wealth in private hands creates economic growth; people spend it or invest it to make money both of which creates jobs. Money sitting in the bank is loaned to business builders, and that creates jobs. Confiscating private money not so much. All too often governments just spends the money to hire more and more and more office workers. The US now has more working for government than in manufacturing--10 million and growing.

 

[Benvolio]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-16/whats-real-unemployment-rate-us

"By my reckoning, roughly 60% of the civilian work force is fully employed and 40% are marginally employed (i.e. earning less than $15,000 annually) or unemployed. Since full-time workers even at minimum wage earn close to $15,000 annually, I think it is fair to use that as the cut-off for fully employed. The BLS counts 121 million people as usually work full-time, but given only 100 million workers earn $15,000 or more, this doesn't add up unless we include self-employed people earning very little who are counted as full-time workers."

The above link sheds some light on the real unemployment rate in the USA.

Both immigration and so called "free trade" have had an impact on the American worker, but, the dirty little secret is that it is INTENTIONAL!
Supply side economics was meant to thwart inflation, it was diametrically opposed to demand side or " Keynesian-economics
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-keynesian-economics.htm

The American worker has been intentionally assaulted and ripped off by his own government to prevent inflation, a simple definition of which is "too many dollars chasing too few goods".

The American worker had too much spending power or discretionary spending money, this resulted in the value of the dollar shrinking. This hurt the wealthy because they were the people with the most dollars. Most workers saw regular pay increases and "cola" or cost of living adjustments.

The demand for the worker was high because the demand for the goods that he produced was high, he was valuable and was paid well, he had money and wanted to purchase more, the demand for goods kept rising as did his pay. You see here a cycle, the loser was really the rich guy, he was always trying to find a hedge against inflation, gold was one of his favorites. I remember shipping
hundreds of South African Krugerrands out to people in the '70's.

Reagan came along with his answer, Supply side economics, which basically meant to put money in to the hands of the wealthy and take away the demand side by lowering the need for workers, hence the demand for goods and the need for workers, having an impact of lowering the workers true wages.

This coupled with globalization, which ironically has resulted in a move towards an equitable redistribution of poverty as opposed to the Marxist redistribution of wealth.

So, hell yes, the unemployment rate that we are fed is pure bull shit.

You did not read the WSJ link in the OP. We have more than 7 million young men who have stopped looking and not considered unemployed. The unemployment figures are a lie.