Americans millions of unemployed males.

[Kulindahr]

If you believe that, you should not buy or use a cell phone. It would be immpossible to produce the paying US high wages and all the dozens of US taxes and burdens imposed on employers. Would the Chinese be better off without those jobs?

Except China is also losing manufacturing jobs -- to robots, which for many assembly tasks are now equivalent to paying workers $5 per day.


As for cell phones, an analysis on one of the major networks recently showed that if they were assembled in the U.S. the cost would be less than twenty dollars more.

 

[PacificBeach]

Except China is also losing manufacturing jobs -- to robots, which for many assembly tasks are now equivalent to paying workers $5 per day.


As for cell phones, an analysis on one of the major networks recently showed that if they were assembled in the U.S. the cost would be less than twenty dollars more.

The issue is the entire cell phone supply chain is in China and Asia. Industries and individual business disciplines tend to congregate together.

 

[Kabluey]

The US has the highest corporate income tax rates of any major economy, behind only UAE and bankrupt Puerto Rico. http://freebeacon.com/issues/u-s-third-highest-corporate-tax-rate-world/
Why should income earned out of the country be taxed at the highest rate in the world? Why would corporations pay such a tax if it does not legally have to? How many of you greedy liberals have ever paid a tax you did not have to pay?

Last time I bought a ticket in America for domestic travel inside America from an American airline, my tax receipt came from their Dutch office.
I doubt that airline even flew to Holland.

Behaviour like that isn't 'income earned overseas' it's a blatant tax dodge.

 

[Pierresro]

One thing wonderful about JUB is being able to block out fool s and rigth wing anoying people I just have!

 

[Benvolio]

Except China is also losing manufacturing jobs -- to robots, which for many assembly tasks are now equivalent to paying workers $5 per day.


As for cell phones, an analysis on one of the major networks recently showed that if they were assembled in the U.S. the cost would be less than twenty dollars more.

No, the workers would immediately be unionized and the price of labor and the phones would skyrocket. The unions would never allow phones to be assembled in the US.

 

[kallipolis]

No, the workers would immediately be unionized and the price of labor and the phones would skyrocket. The unions would never allow phones to be assembled in the US.

With the enormous profits that Apple Inc. accumulates deals can be done to ensure that Apple's products can be manufactured in the United States, and ensure that Apple's profits remain healthy.

We know from recent experience why so much car manufacturing has developed in The South of the United States, leaving Detroit a rusting memory of what was.

Here's a list of car plants in the United States with a definite slant in favour of The South, where union influence is light. Japanese companies are prominent alongside Ford, and General Motors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automotive_assembly_plants_in_the_United_States

 

[Kabluey]

No, the workers would immediately be unionized and the price of labor and the phones would skyrocket. The unions would never allow phones to be assembled in the US.

The unions wouldn't allow it?
I think you've lost the plot. Again.

 

[peeonme]

No, the workers would immediately be unionized and the price of labor and the phones would skyrocket. The unions would never allow phones to be assembled in the US.

Now it's getting deep, the unions for the most part have been busted in the USA. Michigan, where I live is now a "right to work" state, one isn't made to join the union to get a job.
I worked here in skilled trades since the late '70's, I worked at least 10 shops, the largest had 800 employees at that location alone back in 1979 and I never worked in a union shop in all of that time.

I worked in 3 union places in the early '70's, an auto plant, an iron foundry and a car dealership. Even back then unions were losing
ground, but, just to cheer you up... they will be back with a vengeance. Workers only take shit for so long.

 

[Benvolio]

With the enormous profits that Apple Inc. accumulates deals can be done to ensure that Apple's products can be manufactured in the United States, and ensure that Apple's profits remain healthy.

We know from recent experience why so much car manufacturing has developed in The South of the United States, leaving Detroit a rusting memory of what was.

Here's a list of car plants in the United States with a definite slant in favour of The South, where union influence is light. Japanese companies are prominent alongside Ford, and General Motors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automotive_assembly_plants_in_the_United_States

A unionized Apple would never be able to compete with Samsung and other non-US manufacturers. And the US has an entire panoply of burdens and taxes and lawsuits which companies do well to avoid. Wages are only a part of the problem. It is no coincidence that plaintiff's trial lawyers are among the highest contributors to the democrat party.
We have the highest corporate tax rates in the world other than Puerto Rico and UEA, which Apple can avoid.

 

[Benvolio]

One thing wonderful about JUB is being able to block out fool s and rigth wing anoying people I just have!

I find it invaluable for filtering out some of the liberals who cannot carry on a discussion without personal attacks on the other poster. Not all but some.

 

[kallipolis]

A unionized Apple would never be able to compete with Samsung and other non-US manufacturers. And the US has an entire panoply of burdens and taxes and lawsuits which companies do well to avoid. Wages are only a part of the problem. It is no coincidence that plaintiff's trial lawyers are among the highest contributors to the democrat party.
We have the highest corporate tax rates in the world other than Puerto Rico and UEA, which Apple can avoid.

Your assertion here is not borne out by the reality of Japanese, and Korean car corporations manufacturing their products in the United States. That Toyota, and Kia are happy to operate car plants in the United States indicates that they are happy with the labour costs, and taxes that enables them to compete with Ford, and General Motors.

 

[Kabluey]

Your assertion here is not borne out by the reality of Japanese, and Korean car corporations manufacturing their products in the United States. That Toyota, and Kia are happy to operate car plants in the United States indicates that they are happy with the labour costs, and taxes that enables them to compete with Ford, and General Motors.

However the inherent qualities that made each successful are still diluted when manufacturing outside their home bases.

Germany and Japan both have highly unionised, respected and profitable automotive export industries, and relatively high wages.

Arguably both of those countries lost market share in the consumer electronics market when they decided to forego their quality ethos by using the same Chinese OEM manufacturers as everyone else.

Previously trusted consumer electronics brands from the developed world like Phillips, IBM, Magnavox and Mitsubishi are shells of their former selves due to outsourcing. The only brand that works it to their advantage is apple.

The problem was seeking short term gains while becoming indiscernible from cheap Chinese brands.

With German, US and Japanese auto brands poised to transfer manufacturing to China for export, expect to see the progressive fall of current auto brands and the rise of Chinese brands.

The MBAs are cost-cutting corporations out of their own markets.

 

[kallipolis]

However the inherent qualities that made each successful are still diluted when manufacturing outside their home bases.

Toyota, Nissan, and Honda might well disagree with your assertion for they are happy to manufacture their products in the United Kingdom and other EU countries without compromising their quality.

A neighbour living in my building was showing off his newly bought Honda Civic reminding me of its Japanese origins, and all that Japanese brands mean to him. I informed him that his car was manufactured near Bristol, England. Nissan, and Toyota also have manufacturing plants in the UK.

German companies own plants throughout Europe where their associate companies provide quality vehicles as good as anything made in Germany.

 

[Benvolio]

Your assertion here is not borne out by the reality of Japanese, and Korean car corporations manufacturing their products in the United States. That Toyota, and Kia are happy to operate car plants in the United States indicates that they are happy with the labour costs, and taxes that enables them to compete with Ford, and General Motors.

The reduced transportation cost helps off set the increased expences. The would be less true for smaller items like phones.

 

[kallipolis]

The reduced transportation cost helps off set the increased expences. The would be less true for smaller items like phones.

The sea transport costs from Japan is minimal. The real savings for Japanese, and Korean companies manufacturing their products in the United States, or The European Union is not having to face high tariff barriers that would make their vehicles uncompetitively priced compared with vehicles manufactured locally.,

 

[jbrown329]

Your assertion here is not borne out by the reality of Japanese, and Korean car corporations manufacturing their products in the United States. That Toyota, and Kia are happy to operate car plants in the United States indicates that they are happy with the labour costs, and taxes that enables them to compete with Ford, and General Motors.

And the profits made go back to their home countries. They don't stay in the US.

 

[Kulindahr]

Last time I bought a ticket in America for domestic travel inside America from an American airline, my tax receipt came from their Dutch office.
I doubt that airline even flew to Holland.

Behaviour like that isn't 'income earned overseas' it's a blatant tax dodge.

Gary Johnson, the Libertarian presidential candidate, once talked about "point of transaction" as the proper basis for taxing income, i.e. that where a company's headquarters is should be irrelevant, that being a legal fiction, and all that should matter is where a transaction took place.

 

[Kulindahr]

No, the workers would immediately be unionized and the price of labor and the phones would skyrocket. The unions would never allow phones to be assembled in the US.

You really think they didn't look at that aspect?

There are enough right-to-work states in the U.S., that would be extremely unlikely as even a possibility. But they looked at the logical places to put such manufacturing in the U.S. and went from there.

 

[Kulindahr]

A unionized Apple would never be able to compete with Samsung and other non-US manufacturers. And the US has an entire panoply of burdens and taxes and lawsuits which companies do well to avoid. Wages are only a part of the problem. It is no coincidence that plaintiff's trial lawyers are among the highest contributors to the democrat party.
We have the highest corporate tax rates in the world other than Puerto Rico and UEA, which Apple can avoid.

Your paranoia is showing: you plainly didn't actually read his post. The whole point was that there is no way that Apple factories would ever be unionized.


Oh, reality to ben: lots of companies located in the U.S. manage to not only avoid high taxes but have a negative federal tax rate. A company doesn't have to locate outside the U.S. to avoid high taxes, it only has to buy enough congresscritters.

 

[Kulindahr]

I find it invaluable for filtering out some of the liberals who cannot carry on a discussion without personal attacks on the other poster. Not all but some.

Which being translated means you "filter out" people because you don't like taking responsibility for what you've written, since for the most part your accusations of "personal attack" are false.